Columbus:Officer shoots 13-year old, who pulled BB Gun on them during chase
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BoatShoes
When you can't see that the little boy pointing the realistic-looking gun (while tragic) was probably justified and that this is very disturbing my guess is that it is because deep down inside you just don't want to give any credibility to the grievances of BLM and Co.thavoice;1811860 wrote:I concur. Plus, this guy was standing with his hands up and against the car. Some female got her panties all in a bunch and got trigger happy.
It is ok Non-violently ignoring the police (like Martin Luther King) can get you in trouble with the law but damn...getting shot cus you "might" commit a felony as a misdemeanor offender?? C'mon!
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BoatShoes
I am fine with non-violent resistance to police force under certain circumstances and it has many times been a positive for societal progress.sleeper;1811908 wrote:It's not a hot take. Do you want to live in a society where people are allowed to disrupt police activities because .000000000001% of police interactions end in death?
It seems to be what BLM wants. Is that what you want? -
CenterBHSFan
Why? Why should we refrain from talking about all the parts of the problem? All of the "why's" of a problem need to be understood in order to next understand the "how's" to fix them.BoatShoes;1812023 wrote:That's not true. You just have to talk about it with a little empathy and understanding and refrain from lecturing black people about voting democrat, black crime rate, black families, etc. and all other generalities lol.
Let's say I'm not very good with math (easily done because <3 calculators!). You give me a complicated math problem and then tell me that you understand and empathize with me because it is difficult - but then you never explain to me how to solve it. I'm not going to know to do the part of the equation in parentheses first. I'm not going to know how to map my answer out and I'm most likely not going to finish with the correct conclusion. Empathy and understanding from you is only going to leave me frustrated and unsure of myself. -
ZWICK 4 PREZ
It's a police issue, not a white guy shooting black guy issue. The race aspect is how black men are targeted with police abuse at a much higher rate than white men. The race aspect is how we've shown to let prejudices affect our judgment in the use of deadly force. It's not about white shooting blacks you fucking simpleton.sleeper;1811986 wrote:More dead in Charlotte where a black guy with a gun, who was asked multiple times to drop his weapon was shot and killed by a black cop. Definitely racism!
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ZWICK 4 PREZ
The big issue here is people like Sleeper are too fucking stupid for nuanced thinking. People like Sleeper can't differentiate protesting bad cops from protesting all cops. it's impossible for him. It's black and white. It's bullshit logic that people like him hold onto soooo dearly. The issue isn't all cops are bad and all cops should be fired b/c all cops kill black men.. the problem is some cops are too fucking stupid/scared/prejudiced to be cops. and these stupid people kill other human beings and are given a pass b/c they're in a position of authority. And people like Sleeper blindly accept that b/c they're cops, the big bad black man must be in the wrong.. so we can't protest bad cops and bring about reform of weeding them out and restraining their abuse of power in the meantime.
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queencitybuckeye
IF we accept this? There's no accepting this, it just is. I know you like to take the simple and attempt to make it complex. but this phrase you posted has a simple and absolute translation:BoatShoes;1812022 wrote:Even if we accept that the boys bring this on themselves in a way by pointing the guns at cops,
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queencitybuckeye
If you substituted "BLM" for "Sleeper", would your statement not hold true? The protests seem to be the same whether the shooting incident is blatantly bad, looks bad on a video but far more information is required, or where the evidence is overwhelming that the officer acted properly. What we have today is copy shoots black person, assumption of cop being wrong, protests and/or riots.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812030 wrote:The big issue here is people like Sleeper are too fucking stupid for nuanced thinking. People like Sleeper can't differentiate protesting bad cops from protesting all cops. it's impossible for him. It's black and white -
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Sure.. if we look at BLM from the aspect of how you want to view BLM, but that wouldn't be honest or accurate. The whole reason there is a BLM is on this thread. A black guy gets get shot and killed with no weapon and his hands up, and idiots make excuses for the cops .. IMMEDIATELY. We can't wait to make excuses for cops. We look for any reason whatsoever of why a cop just killed an unarmed man with his hands up. Instead of thinking.. god that was fucked up. I won't dispute that there's idiots who use BLM movement to be idiots and riot and steal for no reason. But that's not the reason BLM exists. It exists b/c we automatically blame the victim and give cops a free run. This thread and every other thread on here after a shooting proves it. And you'd be intentionally dishonest of you said otherwise.queencitybuckeye;1812033 wrote:If you substituted "BLM" for "Sleeper", would your statement not hold true? The protests seem to be the same whether the shooting incident is blatantly bad, looks bad on a video but far more information is required, or where the evidence is overwhelming that the officer acted properly. What we have today is copy shoots black person, assumption of cop being wrong, protests and/or riots. -
queencitybuckeye
Interesting that unless it's a different case than the one I'm thinking of, due process confirmed that the "idiots" were correct. You do understand that the forensic evidence proved conclusively that the "Hands up don't shoot" witnesses were lying, correct? A carbuncle on the ass of humanity tried to take a cop's gun and got smoked.THAT'S the (IMO valid) issue with BLM. Facts, and the process needed to ascertain the facts don't matter. That a cop kills a black is all they seem to need to know.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812035 wrote:A black guy gets get shot and killed with no weapon and his hands up, and idiots make excuses for the cops .. IMMEDIATELY. -
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Did you not watch the video? The forensics are your eye sight. We're apparently talking about 2 separate incidents if you can't see that.queencitybuckeye;1812036 wrote:Interesting that unless it's a different case than the one I'm thinking of, due process confirmed that the "idiots" were correct. You do understand that the forensic evidence proved conclusively that the "Hands up don't shoot" witnesses were lying, correct? A carbuncle on the ass of humanity tried to take a cop's gun and got smoked.THAT'S the (IMO valid) issue with BLM. Facts, and the process needed to ascertain the facts don't matter. That a cop kills a black is all they seem to need to know. -
iclfan2
He's talking about Michael Brown, which the idiot BLM people still talk about. It's latching on to incidents where people deservedly die that annoys everyone and ruins their entire point.
And is it not possible (like in Tulsa) to say it's fucked up, but still have questions as to why the guy was clearly not complying with anything the cop says? The police clearly fucked up the whole situation, but the guy did them no favors.
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ZWICK 4 PREZ
It ruins the entire point to you b/c ... let's not force our brains to think any harder than it has to. It's easier to ignore an issue and blindly blanket everything. No problems here b/c remember that time we were right!iclfan2;1812039 wrote:He's talking about Michael Brown, which the idiot BLM people still talk about. It's latching on to incidents where people deservedly die that annoys everyone and ruins their entire point.
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iclfan2
It ruins it because it is like the boy that cries wolf. Hard to stand by a cause that is wrong half of the time, and I won't even get into the chants of kill pigs and other racist things. They started out with a strong message, but has been taken over by radicals.
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ZWICK 4 PREZ
And Mike Brown incident was a case of 2 idiots being idiots, but only one of the idiots died and the other can't be an idiot cop anymore.
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queencitybuckeye
I've seen one video in all of the cases where the video alone told enough of the story to yield a conclusion. That video is from a situation months ago.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812038 wrote:Did you not watch the video? The forensics are your eye sight. We're apparently talking about 2 separate incidents if you can't see that. -
queencitybuckeye
Why was the cop an idiot? What did he do wrong?ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812042 wrote:And Mike Brown incident was a case of 2 idiots being idiots, but only one of the idiots died and the other can't be an idiot cop anymore. -
ZWICK 4 PREZ
As long as people are still getting killed by police for reasons of police abuse and overreach, it's still an issue. Don't oversimplify life and death b/c you don't care to think about it.iclfan2;1812041 wrote:It ruins it because it is like the boy that cries wolf. Hard to stand by a cause that is wrong half of the time, and I won't even get into the chants of kill pigs and other racist things. They started out with a strong message, but has been taken over by radicals.
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ZWICK 4 PREZ
you didn't see one 2 days ago?queencitybuckeye;1812043 wrote:I've seen one video in all of the cases where the video alone told enough of the story to yield a conclusion. That video is from a situation months ago. -
queencitybuckeye
It's absolutely an issue, but the presumption of guilt on the part of the police isn't a part of a real solution. BLM killed a human being last night. That's what they accomplished. Nothing else.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812045 wrote:As long as people are still getting killed by police for reasons of police abuse and overreach, it's still an issue. Don't oversimplify life and death b/c you don't care to think about it. -
queencitybuckeye
No. I saw something worthy of complete investigation, but no.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812046 wrote:you didn't see one 2 days ago? -
iclfan2
If it's about bad cops, and a black cop shot a black guy (currently justified), why are they attacking innocent white people? http://www.dailywire.com/news/9378/video-man-viciously-beaten-while-begging-mercy-chase-stephens
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ZWICK 4 PREZ
fair enough.. what I saw was definitely enough to conclude it was bizarre and likely handled wrong, not automatically jump to the poor cops aid like majority of the posters did.queencitybuckeye;1812048 wrote:No. I saw something worthy of complete investigation, but no. -
ZWICK 4 PREZ
See my previous post. The idiots who use BLM to be low lives aren't pardoned for their actions. It also, at the same time, doesn't give you the right to dismiss an issue.iclfan2;1812049 wrote:If it's about bad cops, and a black cop shot a black guy (currently justified), why are they attacking innocent white people? http://www.dailywire.com/news/9378/video-man-viciously-beaten-while-begging-mercy-chase-stephens
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queencitybuckeye
At the very least, tactical errors appear to have been made. Often, that's when a situation that starts with no bad intentions turns to shit.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812050 wrote:fair enough.. what I saw was definitely enough to conclude it was bizarre and likely handled wrong, not automatically jump to the poor cops aid like majority of the posters did. -
like_that
You know this site has a multi quote feature right?
So its been a one sided discussions since the 60's. Anytime it is brought it is immediately dismissed because "white people will never understand," or if a black person brings it up he/she for whatever reason is immediately dismissed as no longer being in touch with the black community. It's much easier to play the victim card instead of addressing the inconvenient truth. Democratic politicians know this and that's why they never bring it up, otherwise they would lose a good chunk of votes. Even the moron Trump realizes this and is now pandering to black communities.BoatShoes;1812019 wrote:What do you mean "for once"? Conservatively-inclined folks have been bringing up family structure since at least the 1960's. It is brought up in literally every discussion and every talking head back-and-forth when it comes to urban poverty, crime, etc.
So no statistical data or concrete evidence that proves there is this epidemic of cops going out of their ways arrest and/or kill black people? Got it.BoatShoes;1812021 wrote:One Man's Opinion that I found persuasive back in the day. Heavily influenced the creator of The Wire.
https://www.amazon.com/When-Work-Disappears-World-Urban/dp/0679724176
Also, this dudes opinion brings up family structure, good for him.
More excuses. If you are brought up correctly by your parents, the less likely something like this happens. If the parents taught that boy how to properly engage with cops (not pointing a fake gun at them is a good start) then this kid would still be alive.BoatShoes;1812022 wrote:While you'll never hear it really put this way I think the point is more subtle than a claim of a nationwide conspiracy. They see instances wherein young boys of color (just an example) are getting killed in their neighborhoods. Even if we accept that the boys bring this on themselves in a way by pointing the guns at cops, the broader thought is that somebody like me grew up in an all white suburb with real guns, toy guns and big yards to play in and point our toy guns around with no pervasive police presence.
You can say what you will about the parents and what ultimately creates these circumstances but the idea might be that the average 13 year old boy of color with toy guns lives in a much different world than the average white boy with toy guns...and these are circumstances that they themselves did not choose. And for folks who were once young boys of color they feel a sense that there is an injustice that occurs under conditions that we would not all mutually accept if were going to be forming our society from scratch not knowing if we were going to be born a white boy in the suburbs or a black boy in the inner city.
Generalities as in facts?BoatShoes;1812023 wrote:That's not true. You just have to talk about it with a little empathy and understanding and refrain from lecturing black people about voting democrat, black crime rate, black families, etc. and all other generalities lol.
-Blacks commit most of the crimes in this country.
-The mass majority of black households are fatherless, which leads to a family structure that lacks a focus on education and discipline.
-Blacks consistently vote for democrats and allow them to run their communities.
-In return Democrats haven't done shit for them, because they know they have their votes in the bag.
Sure it is, there are bad apples like this one in Tulsa. The fact of the matter is the massBoatShoes;1812025 wrote:When you can't see that the little boy pointing the realistic-looking gun (while tragic) was probably justified and that this is very disturbing my guess is that it is because deep down inside you just don't want to give any credibility to the grievances of BLM and Co.
It is ok Non-violently ignoring the police (like Martin Luther King) can get you in trouble with the law but damn...getting shot cus you "might" commit a felony as a misdemeanor offender?? C'mon!
It is possible to think Cops are sometimes justified when the kill the innocent and that other times they are not!
majority of cops do their jobs. BLM probably doesn't get any credibility because 1. They incite riots where people die or get injured (not to mention looting), 2. They simply avoid all facts, and 3. They can't differentiate case by case. Every cop shooting = racism to them.
Although I hardly agree with you, I find your posts intelligent, but this is the dumbest fucking thing you have ever posted.BoatShoes;1812026 wrote:I am fine with non-violent resistance to police force under certain circumstances and it has many times been a positive for societal progress.
My friends father is a NYPD cop. He says "I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6." Most cops have this mentality, so it is beyond me why anyone would want to test a cop and not comply. I don't care what race you are, you are a complete fucking idiot if you think not complying with a cop is going to end in a favorable result for you.
Please go resist a cop and let us know how that works out for you.
Or blacks commit the majority of the crimes in this country and thus police encounter blacks more than any other race. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812029 wrote:It's a police issue, not a white guy shooting black guy issue. The race aspect is how black men are targeted with police abuse at a much higher rate than white men. The race aspect is how we've shown to let prejudices affect our judgment in the use of deadly force. It's not about white shooting blacks you fucking simpleton.
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812030 wrote:The big issue here is people like Sleeper are too fucking stupid for nuanced thinking. People like Sleeper can't differentiate protesting bad cops from protesting all cops. it's impossible for him. It's black and white. It's bullshit logic that people like him hold onto soooo dearly. The issue isn't all cops are bad and all cops should be fired b/c all cops kill black men.. the problem is some cops are too fucking stupid/scared/prejudiced to be cops. and these stupid people kill other human beings and are given a pass b/c they're in a position of authority. And people like Sleeper blindly accept that b/c they're cops, the big bad black man must be in the wrong.. so we can't protest bad cops and bring about reform of weeding them out and restraining their abuse of power in the meantime.
Sleeper definitely has hot takes, but in this particular case his hyperbole is making a point that you refuse to address. YOU might be protesting bad cops, but the majority (BLM, media, etc) are grouping all cops together. Even our fearless leaders or anyone with some type of a platform does the same thing. If these people came out and said some cops are bad, but it's also time to reflect on the fact that 70% of the households are fatherless then maybe something would get done. Imagine if BLM or the likes of Obama addressed the family structure issue. Unfortunately they don't. I still haven't seen a legitimate argument for the family structure issue. The only argument I have seen so far is that 70% of black fathers are unfairly arrested (even though blacks commit the majority of crimes). Oh and shitty schools with "shitty" teachers even though a school district like DC has the lowest graduation rate in the country despite spending the 2nd most per student. I still would also like to know what the excuse is for the Asians? Why are they successful?
The most ironic part of all this is you will most likely preach the exact opposite of what you are saying here to your children. Pretty much a successful liberal in a nutshell. They don't preach what they practice when it comes to affecting other lives.