Columbus:Officer shoots 13-year old, who pulled BB Gun on them during chase

• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  iclfan2;1812924 wrote:Not obvious. From the same article:
  Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population. But as Mac Donald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.
  
  "Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force," writes MacDonald.
  MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.
  
  "The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods."
  
  
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  im assuming you're trying to point to blacks being more violent although you just tried to make a point that whites get shot by police more. You're all over the place here man.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812920 wrote:Who are the minority leaders? Hell, who are the white people leaders? If roles were reversed, who among the whites would need to step up and change the narrative?

  Preachers/Priests/Rabbi's/etc., community organizers, BigBrother/Sister, YM(W)CA, parents, grandparents, siblings, teachers, basically anybody who is willing to volunteer their time (not money) to try and help others and not sit around waiting for somebody else to do it.
• iclfan2

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1812926 wrote:im assuming you're trying to point to blacks being more violent although you just tried to make a point that whites get shot by police more. You're all over the place here man.

  Another stat from the same study "According to Mac Donald, 12 percent of white and Hispanic homicide deaths were due to police officers, while only four percent of black homicide deaths were the result of police officers."
  
  At the end of the day, there are way more factors involved than prejudice. But blaming racism is much more convenient.
  
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• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812920 wrote:That seems pretty pie in the sky IMO. All of minorities in America are going to have to universally "look in the mirror" and decide together as 1 block to adopt the like_that plan for ending racism? Expecting Al Sharpton to no longer act like scumbag Al Sharpton isn't a solution, it's a fantasy.
  
  Who are the minority leaders? Hell, who are the white people leaders? If roles were reversed, who among the whites would need to step up and change the narrative?

  I didn't say it was a "plan" to end racism. I am saying if you want to really address why black people are allegedly "oppressed, in poverty, etc" the core of that issue is a severe lack family structure (fatherless households), with a focus on education and discipline. Have you ever played any sports in your life time? Have you head the privilege to coach a sport? You would then know no matter how great the coach is, the coach cannot develop an athlete if he/she doesn't want the help.
  
  It's not pretty pie in the sky when people with the platform address it. If you want to have a "discussion" it is pretty simple, get ready to hear other solutions other than the same tired shit we have heard over and over with no change at all. There are plenty of famous black people who have the platform to address the family structure issue. Obama is probably the most prominent african american figure and he has had many chances to address it, but he hasn't. The most recent was during his national discussion regarding "racial tension" or whatever it was back in July. He gave the usual recycled political talking points and made ZERO mention of the family structure issue. Small things like that add up and slowly change the narrative.
  The minority leaders are the people of that race who have the platform and ability to influence a group of people. BLM would be part of that group as they obviously are influential, just influential in the wrong way (save me the bullshit too, going out rioting, looting, and jumping white people doesn't do shit except ignore the inconvenient truth). I don't think I need to list any names, I am sure you can figure that out yourself. If the roles were "reversed" same shit. I would hope white people would do the same thing and realize it is an inner culture issue. Especially in this day in age, where we have a black president, numerous black politicians (a lot of them local running these inner cities), a soon to be woman president, where safe spaces are created for the easily butt hurt, and universities allow segregated housing for blacks only. Yet allegedly there is somehow this system of racism where only non-liberal white males are holding down the entire black population, even though liberals and blacks run those towns/cities. It's beyond me how some of you all can't see how regressive that line of thinking is. People like Zwick rather be social cheerleaders so they feel better about themselves, instead of addressing the facts.
  
  I don't have an official plan to make it happen, but I do know the source of the majority of the issues comes from their family structure. The government policies the last 50 years and perpetuating this systematic racism has done nothing to make any type of positive change. COA's "black fathers are arrested unfairly" plan is nothing but the same bullshit we have heard and has accomplished nothing. My point is start addressing the core of the issue instead of QQing and being the victim every time. It has worked for several races/ethnicities in this country and that includes groups who lived in hardship (asians, immigrants, etc). Come to think of it, it really is not that hard for Dems to change that narrative, but that would mean they would have to work harder for their votes.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  iclfan2;1812930 wrote:Another stat from the same study "According to Mac Donald, 12 percent of white and Hispanic homicide deaths were due to police officers, while only four percent of black homicide deaths were the result of police officers."
  
  At the end of the day, there are way more factors involved than prejudice. But blaming racism is much more convenient.
  
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  The one stat is intentionally misleading. It's citing what percentage of homicides of a race were due to police. That's a terrible statistic and completely avoids the fact that of actual deaths by police, blacks were killed 3 times the rates of whites. Same as the static from DOJ that blacks recieved force 3 times the rate of whites. Do you think those two are independent of each other? Because that suggests a correlation.
  I can see the point made that since blacks make up ~50% of the violent crime, they're more likely to face police interaction with weapons leading to being shot though.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  CenterBHSFan;1812927 wrote:Preachers/Priests/Rabbi's/etc., community organizers, BigBrother/Sister, YM(W)CA, parents, grandparents, siblings, teachers, basically anybody who is willing to volunteer their time (not money) to try and help others and not sit around waiting for somebody else to do it.

  You know this isn't happening now?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1812931 wrote:I didn't say it was a "plan" to end racism. I am saying if you want to really address why black people are allegedly "oppressed, in poverty, etc" the core of that issue is a severe lack family structure (fatherless households), with a focus on education and discipline. Have you ever played any sports in your life time? Have you head the privilege to coach a sport? You would then know no matter how great the coach is, the coach cannot develop an athlete if he/she doesn't want the help.
  
  It's not pretty pie in the sky when people with the platform address it. If you want to have a "discussion" it is pretty simple, get ready to hear other solutions other than the same tired shit we have heard over and over with no change at all. There are plenty of famous black people who have the platform to address the family structure issue. Obama is probably the most prominent african american figure and he has had many chances to address it, but he hasn't. The most recent was during his national discussion regarding "racial tension" or whatever it was back in July. He gave the usual recycled political talking points and made ZERO mention of the family structure issue. Small things like that add up and slowly change the narrative.
  The minority leaders are the people of that race who have the platform and ability to influence a group of people. BLM would be part of that group as they obviously are influential, just influential in the wrong way (save me the bullshit too, going out rioting, looting, and jumping white people doesn't do shit except ignore the inconvenient truth). I don't think I need to list any names, I am sure you can figure that out yourself. If the roles were "reversed" same shit. I would hope white people would do the same thing and realize it is an inner culture issue. Especially in this day in age, where we have a black president, numerous black politicians (a lot of them local running these inner cities), a soon to be woman president, where safe spaces are created for the easily butt hurt, and universities allow segregated housing for blacks only. Yet allegedly there is somehow this system of racism where only non-liberal white males are holding down the entire black population, even though liberals and blacks run those towns/cities. It's beyond me how some of you all can't see how regressive that line of thinking is. People like Zwick rather be social cheerleaders so they feel better about themselves, instead of addressing the facts.
  
  I don't have an official plan to make it happen, but I do know the source of the majority of the issues comes from their family structure. The government policies the last 50 years and perpetuating this systematic racism has done nothing to make any type of positive change. COA's "black fathers are arrested unfairly" plan is nothing but the same bullshit we have heard and has accomplished nothing. My point is start addressing the core of the issue instead of QQing and being the victim every time. It has worked for several races/ethnicities in this country and that includes groups who lived in hardship (asians, immigrants, etc). Come to think of it, it really is not that hard for Dems to change that narrative, but that would mean they would have to work harder for their votes.

  I don't have a plan, I pointed out a stat that showed a symptom of negative racial basis.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812953 wrote:I don't have a plan, I pointed out a stat that showed a symptom of negative racial basis.

  No, you showed a stat that showed more black people are in jail because they commit the most crimes. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You see one stat that shows more black people are in jail, and you automatically diagnose that it is system of negative racial basis.
  
  That logic was already torn apart when you were informed that jails are 90% male.
• iclfan2

  

  Another shooting and subsequent protest in California. Guy was acting oddly and the police got three calls from the public about it. Man doesn't comply (shocked) and the guy finally lifts up his arm in a shooters stance and they shoot him. There is a video from a witness that hasn't been released other than the image of the guy with his hands aimed at the cops. Once again one shoots while the other tazers, so this will cause controversy. Family says the guy had mental issues.
  
  My opinion, just start tazing people more. If he doesn't comply and keeps his hands in his pocket, wouldn't tazing him then when there is no imminent threat be better than waiting for him to lift his hands out of his pocket? I'm sure these idiots would protest about that too, but I'd have to think it wouldn't be that bad. And although I think the cops could have acted better in this situation, I do not believe this has anything to do with race or whatever and do not agree with protesting it.
  
  So Police - should have handled it better. Victim - should have complies. Part of a bigger, police wide problem - no, each incident stands on its' own.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Anyone see the video of Mary J Blige singing to Hillary Clinton? You can get killed for living in your American skin!
  
  I couldn't watch 5 seconds of it without cringing.
• thavoice

  iclfan2;1812957 wrote:Another shooting and subsequent protest in California. Guy was acting oddly and the police got three calls from the public about it. Man doesn't comply (shocked) and the guy finally lifts up his arm in a shooters stance and they shoot him. There is a video from a witness that hasn't been released other than the image of the guy with his hands aimed at the cops. Once again one shoots while the other tazers, so this will cause controversy. Family says the guy had mental issues.
  
  My opinion, just start tazing people more. If he doesn't comply and keeps his hands in his pocket, wouldn't tazing him then when there is no imminent threat be better than waiting for him to lift his hands out of his pocket? I'm sure these idiots would protest about that too, but I'd have to think it wouldn't be that bad. And although I think the cops could have acted better in this situation, I do not believe this has anything to do with race or whatever and do not agree with protesting it.
  
  So Police - should have handled it better. Victim - should have complies. Part of a bigger, police wide problem - no, each incident stands on its' own.

  You see the picture on this? About as good of a look as you can get and yeah, that guy deserved to be shot. Not sure the cops were close enough in that one to taze the guy. He did not have a gun in his hands but in that quick instance when he puts his hands up and aims like he does have a gun......
  
  
  I agree..more tazing. About 15 minutes from here the other day 911 was called about a 4 yr old being murdered. Cops show up, see shit isnt right, the excuses given didnt add up to the injuries. WHen shit started to get real the 'suspect' that the calller stated put a knife to his neck and threatened to kill himself. Not exactly like these other instances, but as a cop if a guy has a knife it is not unreasonable to think he could easily lunge and attack you...especially when everyone there knows he is accused of murder.
  
  The cops quickly tazered the guy. I do think they need to go to that more often. In this case....I think people would have understood if they shot him.
  
  But..he was white so they didnt do that.
• sleeper

  

  iclfan2;1812957 wrote:
  My opinion, just start tazing people more. If he doesn't comply and keeps his hands in his pocket, wouldn't tazing him then when there is no imminent threat be better than waiting for him to lift his hands out of his pocket?

  You don't bring a taser to a gun fight.
  
  If someone isn't complying and you have reasonable suspicion they might be armed, a gun is more appropriate to stop the threat. This isn't a game where we can play monday morning QB with all the facts; you have split second decision to solve the situation. This is why we grant cops the benefit of the doubt because in order to maintain a lawful society we have to allow cops the ability to control the situation entirely for his/her safety and the safety of the citizen in question.
  
  Comply or die is a slogan that is used in support of police brutality, but often times comply or die is reality.
• iclfan2

  

  sleeper;1813003 wrote:You don't bring a taser to a gun fight.

  For the most part I wholeheartedly agree. The cops life is worth more than some low life criminal. However in this specific case, one of the guys already had his tazer out while the other had his gun out. Instead of waiting for the guy to pull his hands out of his pockets they should have just tazed him when he didn't comply (Same thing could have happened in Tulsa as well). I understand why they didn't though, because the same community would still complain about tazing someone that "didn't comply". They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I don't know what the answer is, because I doubt anyone is going to jump in agreement at using more force on non-compliance, which could alleviate the use of deadly force if used sooner.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Commander of Awesome;1812952 wrote:You know this isn't happening now?

  It is, but not very much. The people who DO step up in their communities are largely ignored and marginalized. By their own communities!
  
  It's quite sad, really.
• FatHobbit

  

  sleeper;1813003 wrote:This isn't a game where we can play monday morning QB with all the facts;

  Who needs facts? All we need is the skin color of the deceased.
• FatHobbit

  

  Have they even released the autopsy report from the kid with the bb gun in Columbus? I know one of the BLM "Drs" said he was shot in the back but I haven't heard about the official report.
• iclfan2

  

  “Many black people who become police officers become blue, not black. In order for you to survive in a police department, you take on the police department’s ideology, ways of life, and culture,” said an NAACP representative.
  Lol what? This is why people don't take this organization seriously. The same thing when black people hate educated, articulate blacks.
  
  
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• HitsRus

  

  “Many black people who become police officers become blue, not black. In order for you to survive in a police department, you take on the police department’s ideology, ways of life, and culture,” said an NAACP representative

  
• Wolves of Babylon

  http://www.10tv.com/article/1-dead-officer-involved-shooting-east-columbus
  
  
  
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• thavoice

  Wolves of Babylon;1813250 wrote:http://www.10tv.com/article/1-dead-officer-involved-shooting-east-columbus
  
  
  
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  Yet another black man killed by cops. For shame...for shame.
• isadore

  gosh a ruddies it is rough when its a kid.
• isadore

  HitsRus;1813178 wrote:

  gosh a ruddies that was said in 1911 a time when blacks could not vote in several American states, Jim Crow, de jure segregation, denied blacks basic rights and opportunities in the South and many Northern states. 60 blacks were lynched that year. Someone should have been advertising the wrongs done to them.
• iclfan2

  

  Weird that no one gave a shit about the police shooting this 6 year old. Guess he needed to be black. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/us/police-video-louisiana-shooting.html?0p19G=c
  
  
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• like_that

  

  iclfan2;1813354 wrote:Weird that no one gave a shit about the police shooting this 6 year old. Guess he needed to be black. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/us/police-video-louisiana-shooting.html?0p19G=c
  
  
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  Gosh a ruddies!!!
• HitsRus

  

  isadore;1813351 wrote:gosh a ruddies that was said in 1911 a time when blacks could not vote in several American states, Jim Crow, de jure segregation, denied blacks basic rights and opportunities in the South and many Northern states. 60 blacks were lynched that year. Someone should have been advertising the wrongs done to them.

  gosh a ruddies! We don't have any of that stuff going on 100 years later, and we still have those in the business of "keeping the troubles".