Can Science and Religion co exist?

• sleeper

  

  jmog;1602795 wrote:i would venture to say that if nearly every ancient culture has a global flood story, and most of the key parts of the story are the same, that there would be some credence to it being a historical possibility or fact.
  
  There are literally 20+ flood legends across the ancient world. Greek, Roman, Persia, Hawaii, China, Australia, Egypt, Peru, Mexico, et al, all ancient civilizations with global flood stories. So what is more likely? An event happened that got passed down through generations by word of mouth or writings as people migrated to the farthest parts of the globe? Or somehow, magically, many ancient civilizations dreamed up nearly the same story well before the internet would allow copy/paste?

  The story of Jesus isn't unique either you know? How convenient for God to pick a time where no one knew anything and there was no credible technology to capture his beliefs. It's also a time where most people were not educated and would believe any crack pot theory that was handed to them by fear based authorities for money and influence. At least they have a reason why they believed in something so incredibly stupid; what's your excuse?
• sleeper

  

  jmog;1602922 wrote:Can you find the part of the Bible that currently states that there is no life anywhere else and that there was/is no salvation plan (Jesus/etc) for said possible aliens?
  
  I get a kick out of people who think that if aliens ever show up it immediately squashes Christianity when the Bible never excludes the possibility.

  How convenient again for the bible, created and written by the all knowing powerful god, that he wouldn't include anything about life outside of Earth.
  
  Come on man.
• sleeper

  

  OSH;1602880 wrote:That's the "faith" behind the believer. Believers have the faith that their God is the "god." The Christian God is also the same God of Judaism. The Christian God is also (by their beliefs) the same God as Islam. Then, you have all the different denominations in Christianity that worship the same God.
  
  To me, it's not that hard to accept the fact that people believe different things (whether that is pro-religion or anti-religion). While I hope there are more in the pro-Christianity side, I know that won't be the case. I also do not fault people for thinking there needs to be something "proven" in order to believe. I'm not that way -- maybe with ghosts or aliens I am. I enjoy a lot of science, much of it is beyond my grasp. But, I also do believe there are limitations to science. There are always things that change. But, I have faith in my God.

  You also have 6 masters degrees and can barely find a job. Faith and religion are for poor and stupid people who need a crutch in life because they have nothing to live for. Please go be with your god and let the normal rational people cherish their time on Earth.
• Mohican00

  

  cruiser_96;1602845 wrote:Mohican - I should have typed "disregard that comment". Oh, wait! I did!

  Right, you were being cute again.
  

  It is accepting the fact that EVERYTHING is pointing the way of creation from a creator.

  Science has been peeling away the mystery behind existence since the bronze age and still no creator. Actually, creation is looking less and less plausible as we move forward.
  
  But I'm not here change your mind. Faith is laziness to me. But if people get satisfaction and feel comfort from believing in a grand designer...well more power to them. There will always be those that drag their feet.
• sleeper

  

  http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/09/is-the-internet-killing-religion/?hpt=hp_t2
  
  Religion is dying and information is killing it.
• jmog

  jmog;1600823 wrote:Yup, the internet is REALLY undermining people's belief in creationism...
  
  http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx
  
  46% of American's believe that God created humans less than 10,000 years ago, and that number hasn't really changed (slightly higher) since 1982. If you were correct, then one would expect since the internet got "big" around 2000/2001 when over 50% of households started having the internet in there home, that this statistics would fall off the map. In fact, it has not.
  
  I am sorry that facts don't support your opinion once again.
  
  Where the completely cell to human without any supreme being's help numbers have gone up (10% to about 15%) they have just "taken" the numbers from those that already believed in evolution but believed God helped it along. They have NOT taken any believers from the "young earth" crowd...percentage wise.

  Sleeper, not exactly...the percentage of those who still believe in a God that created the universe less than 10k years ago has not changed as internet usage has gone up.
• sleeper

  

  jmog;1603195 wrote:Sleeper, not exactly...the percentage of those who still believe in a God that created the universe less than 10k years ago has not changed as internet usage has gone up.

  Ignorance will take a long time to cure.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  Sleeper, please tell us much more about how smart you are for being an atheist and how stupid religious people are. We didn't quite catch it the first 1,567 times.
• sleeper

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1603227 wrote:Sleeper, please tell us much more about how smart you are for being an atheist and how stupid religious people are. We didn't quite catch it the first 1,567 times.

  Well for one I draw conclusions based on evidence, logic, and reason like how most things in the world work. Apparently, religious believers think they are special and that faith is the ultimate guide to the galaxy. It's a good thing more than faith is needed to build a bridge, design a life saving drug, or develop technology. Can you imagine how perverse a world would be if instead of performing research into cancer we simply said "Well faith says if you chug hydrochloric acid you will cure cancer and live a happy life? Or people would just pray for something to work and if it doesn't its part of god's plan. Thankfully the downright delusional religious believers are slowly but surely being spurned for the stupidity they spew on a daily basis and as time goes one we can free ourselves from backwards thinking and progress into a better humanity.
• cruiser_96

  

  Now truth is defined by the number of people who believe in it? Aye yi yi...
  
  and yes, sleeper, that's exactly what people of faith are saying...chug it all.
  
  Logic and reason...nothing turning into something. Good luck with that.
• Automatik

  

  But a guy living in a fish's gut. Totally believable!
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1603241 wrote:Now truth is defined by the number of people who believe in it? Aye yi yi...
  
  and yes, sleeper, that's exactly what people of faith are saying...chug it all.
  
  Logic and reason...nothing turning into something. Good luck with that.

  The less people believe in it, the more we can correctly label what religion is; a cult designed to extract money and influence from the poor and stupid. Scientology is the same as any 'mainstream' religion but since it has so few followers its often labeled a 'fringe cult' when in reality take away the size and its the same as every other religion.
  
  Your 'something from nothing' comments are cute however you continually ignore the failed logic of who created god which would be something from nothing as you call it.
• Tiernan

  And yet last year when a number of Atheists outed themselves by appearing on a billboard campaign in Columbus the crazy Christians protested vehemently, claiming the Atheists were trying to "recruit". JEEZUS FKN CHRIST!
• cruiser_96

  

  My disdain for religion has nothing to do with the fact that we are in a theistic universe.
  
  And I answered the God question. Asiety. He exists outside of the time and space we exist in. And we know this because He is something other than His creation. Time, chance, and space are not causal agents. It takes something more.
  
  My nothing to something line isn't stated to be cute. It is exactly what you believe.
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1603259 wrote:My disdain for religion has nothing to do with the fact that we are in a theistic universe.
  
  And I answered the God question. Asiety. He exists outside of the time and space we exist in. And we know this because He is something other than His creation. Time, chance, and space are not causal agents. It takes something more.
  
  My nothing to something line isn't stated to be cute. It is exactly what you believe.

  Prove it. You have provided no evidence and therefore your hypothesis is invalid.
• SportsAndLady

  

  cruiser_96;1603259 wrote:
  And I answered the God question. Asiety. He exists outside of the time and space we exist in. And we know this because He is something other than His creation. Time, chance, and space are not causal agents. It takes something more.

  From someone who isn't atheist in any way shape or form, you sound like a lunatic.
• sleeper

  

  Tiernan;1603258 wrote:And yet last year when a number of Atheists outed themselves by appearing on a billboard campaign in Columbus the crazy Christians protested vehemently, claiming the Atheists were trying to "recruit". JEEZUS FKN CHRIST!

  I would never join an atheist conference and I think most atheists probably feel the same. Much the same way I wouldn't join a 'Oxygen breathers" conference.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "The less people believe in it, the more we can correctly label what religion is; a cult designed to extract money and influence from the poor and stupid."
  
  That can certainly happen, but it is more rare than what some conventional wisdom indicates. All of the charity work, and hospitals and schools seem to be ignored. I would definitely put our money in the coffers of our local diocese rather than entrust any government with our taxes to help out others. We aren't the most dutiful church going people, but when we do attend usually there isn't even a sermon, but rather a presentation on the charity work in the neighborhood and other places locally and overseas.
• sleeper

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1603270 wrote:"The less people believe in it, the more we can correctly label what religion is; a cult designed to extract money and influence from the poor and stupid."
  
  That can certainly happen, but it is more rare than what some conventional wisdom indicates. All of the charity work, and hospitals and schools seem to be ignored. I would definitely put our money in the coffers of our local diocese rather than entrust any government with our taxes to help out others. We aren't the most dutiful church going people, but when we do attend usually there isn't even a sermon, but rather a presentation on the charity work in the neighborhood and other places locally and overseas.

  Charities would exist without the religious label and you have potential to garner even more revenue streams from non-believers who don't want a single dime from their earnings going to fund ignorance in the community. I'd much rather donate to a charity because that group genuinely cares about helping people rather than just using charitable events as more marketing for a hogwash message.
• cruiser_96

  

  Sleeper: one of my lines of evidence has been, all along, throughout this entire thread, has been the fact that nothing into something is impossible. You believe otherwise. I get it. But for you to call that line of reasoning illogical and unreasonable seems a slight bit odd. Science itself has proven that spontaneous generation cannot occur. Yet, and this is the truly baffling part to me, you still champion it as if it happened!
• cruiser_96

  

  SportsAndLady;1603265 wrote:From someone who isn't atheist in any way shape or form, you sound like a lunatic.

  What is lunatic-al about what I typed?
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1603272 wrote:Sleeper: one of my lines of evidence has been, all along, throughout this entire thread, has been the fact that nothing into something is impossible. You believe otherwise. I get it. But for you to call that line of reasoning illogical and unreasonable seems a slight bit odd. Science itself has proven that spontaneous generation cannot occur. Yet, and this is the truly baffling part to me, you still champion it as if it happened!

  I'd love to see the evidence that shows that 'spontaneous generation' cannot occur. I have already expressed my beliefs on the issue; "I don't know" but am open to viewing the evidence presented to me in order to draw the most valid conclusion. Since I have received no evidence that proves the existence of a god or a god that exists outside the time and realm of people, I have no choice but to reject your hypothesis as valid.
  
  My logic is solid and irrefutable. Keep trying though.
• sleeper

  

  Let me ask you cruiser, how do you cure AIDS?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  sleeper;1603271 wrote:Charities would exist without the religious label and you have potential to garner even more revenue streams from non-believers who don't want a single dime from their earnings going to fund ignorance in the community. I'd much rather donate to a charity because that group genuinely cares about helping people rather than just using charitable events as more marketing for a hogwash message.

  You do realize that many charities have higher paid executives than CEO's at fortune 500 companies. If you donate to charity make sure you understand where the money is going. There are some charities, namely the United Way, that keep most of it for overhead and spend a fraction of the revenue on actual charitable work.
  
  At the church around the corner, it operates a daycare center which is much needed being very reasonably priced and are constantly sponsoring youth programs. And no one is getting rich off it. Definitely children taken care of there are in a much better place than a government-run head start program.
• jmog

  sleeper;1603196 wrote:Ignorance will take a long time to cure.

  So you are contradicting yourself from your previous post then? You said that ignorance is being cured by internet exposure. Now that some data is provided as a contradiction it is changed to "well, ignorance will take a long time to cure"
  
  And you say religious people just "change their mind when it suits them".