Can Science and Religion co exist?

• jmog

  sleeper;1603236 wrote:Well for one I draw conclusions based on evidence, logic, and reason

  You should stop there, because you use more logical fallacies than probably anyone on this forum (although Boatshoes is getting close now). So to claim you use logic is a mistake.
• cruiser_96

  

  sleeper;1603275 wrote:Let me ask you cruiser, how do you cure AIDS?

  I currently know of three ways. of contracting HIV, which turns into AIDS - 1) Blood transfusions, 2) sharing of non-sterilized (maybe sterilized, not sure about that) IV needles, and 3) exposure to HIV carriers through unprotected (but some say even protected) sexual intercourse.
  
  With that in mind, I would do my best to attack the cause. That would be the least costly, and most direct way. At least, in my mind it would be.
• BoatShoes

  jmog;1603278 wrote:You should stop there, because you use more logical fallacies than probably anyone on this forum (although Boatshoes is getting close now). So to claim you use logic is a mistake.

  It is laughable to have somebody who teaches his children that a drunk carried baby dinosaurs onto a ship to avoid being slaughtered by an anthropomorphic God would even have the audacity to mention logic and reason. The passing mention of behemoth in a mythical story overwhelms decades of empirical investigation for you. Your entire understanding of the world embodies the pinnacle of fallacious reasoning. Your whole epistemology is detached from the foundation of reality.
  
  Young Earth Creationists are not worthy of logical argument. Life is too short. You believe nonsense that has been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hope this helps. It cannot even be entertained as remotely plausible or otherwise you might begin to believe that your beliefs are something other than completely unjustified and desperate wishful thinking. I will be cordial with your terrible political arguments but reasonable minds can disagree on matters of political economy. Reasonable minds cannot be Young Earth Creationists and so they should not be met with reasoned discourse. The only way that Young Earth Creationism is true is if Descartes' Evil Demon is deceiving us all.
• jmog

  BoatShoes;1603288 wrote:It is laughable to have somebody who teaches his children that a drunk carried baby dinosaurs onto a ship to avoid being slaughtered by an anthropomorphic God would even have the audacity to mention logic and reason. The passing mention of behemoth in a mythical story overwhelms decades of empirical investigation for you. Your entire understanding of the world embodies the pinnacle of fallacious reasoning. Your whole epistemology is detached from the foundation of reality.
  
  Young Earth Creationists are not worthy of logical argument. Life is too short. You believe nonsense that has been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hope this helps. It cannot even be entertained as remotely plausible or otherwise you might begin to believe that your beliefs are something other than completely unjustified and desperate wishful thinking. I will be cordial with your terrible political arguments but reasonable minds can disagree on matters of political economy. Reasonable minds cannot be Young Earth Creationists and so they should not be met with reasoned discourse. The only way that Young Earth Creationism is true is if Descartes' Evil Demon is deceiving us all.

  Ah, there's the boat load of logical fallacies all in 2 short paragraphs, did you even miss one?
• DeyDurkie5

  

  cruiser_96;1603259 wrote:My disdain for religion has nothing to do with the fact that we are in a theistic universe.
  
  And I answered the God question. Asiety. He exists outside of the time and space we exist in. And we know this because He is something other than His creation. Time, chance, and space are not causal agents. It takes something more.
  
  My nothing to something line isn't stated to be cute. It is exactly what you believe.

  you sound like a crazy person.
• sleeper

  

  jmog;1603277 wrote:So you are contradicting yourself from your previous post then? You said that ignorance is being cured by internet exposure. Now that some data is provided as a contradiction it is changed to "well, ignorance will take a long time to cure"
  
  And you say religious people just "change their mind when it suits them".

  Not contradicting anything. Change of hearts via information happen on the margin and not for the fully indoctrinated. You can't fix stupid!
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1603286 wrote:I currently know of three ways. of contracting HIV, which turns into AIDS - 1) Blood transfusions, 2) sharing of non-sterilized (maybe sterilized, not sure about that) IV needles, and 3) exposure to HIV carriers through unprotected (but some say even protected) sexual intercourse.
  
  With that in mind, I would do my best to attack the cause. That would be the least costly, and most direct way. At least, in my mind it would be.

  I asked how, SPECIFICS. How do you cure AIDS?
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603480 wrote:I asked how, SPECIFICS. How do you cure AIDS?

  
  First, have the respective person's own blood cells eradicated with radiation and powerful chemotherapy. Then perform a bone marrow transplant inclusive of a genetic mutation that is resistant to the HIV infection. Right now that's your best bet.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603491 wrote:First, have the respective person's own blood cells eradicated with radiation and powerful chemotherapy. Then perform a bone marrow transplant inclusive of a genetic mutation that is resistant to the HIV infection. Right now that's your best bet.

  I think you should express your findings to the AMA.
  
  The point of this exercise is that we don't know the cure for AIDS just like we don't know how the universe was created. Most believers will claim that they aren't sure how AIDS is cured or clearly state THERE IS NO CURE; which is interesting because while they go through a logical progression to determine that reality. However, with their belief system, there is no logical progression. Religious belief is a poison of the mind that only knowledge and freedom can cure and even that might not be enough.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603510 wrote:I think you should express your findings to the AMA.
  
  The point of this exercise is that we don't know the cure for AIDS just like we don't know how the universe was created. Most believers will claim that they aren't sure how AIDS is cured or clearly state THERE IS NO CURE; which is interesting because while they go through a logical progression to determine that reality. However, with their belief system, there is no logical progression. Religious belief is a poison of the mind that only knowledge and freedom can cure and even that might not be enough.

  The AMA already knows you goof.
  
  There's no cure for any virus however AIDs has been cured in one person serendipitously in an attempt to treat his leukemia Where do you think I got the info from??
  
  The problem is identifying the rare genetic mutation that makes a person resistant to HIV after the transplant.
  
  I'll look for the info on the guy who was "cured".
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603514 wrote:The AMA knows you goof. That's There's no cure for any virus however AIDs has been cured in one person by eradicating the virus. Where do you think I got the info from??
  
  The problem is identifying the rare genetic mutation that makes a person resistant to HIV after the transplant.
  
  I'll look for the info on the guy who was "cured".

  Look for the info on the guy that turned water into wine too.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603510 wrote:I think you should express your findings to the AMA.
  
  The point of this exercise is that we don't know the cure for AIDS just like we don't know how the universe was created. Most believers will claim that they aren't sure how AIDS is cured or clearly state THERE IS NO CURE; which is interesting because while they go through a logical progression to determine that reality. However, with their belief system, there is no logical progression. Religious belief is a poison of the mind that only knowledge and freedom can cure and even that might not be enough.

  Your insistence on trying to use human thought process to prove the existence of a non-human entity is what restrict your ability to accepting the omnipotent Creator of all. When being told that logical thought is not the way to understanding such reality and your insistence to abandon it is an indication you are not open to Christ being the Son of God. It is Only Christ that provides the freedom that is eternal.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Con_Alma;1603521 wrote:Your insistence on trying to use human thought process to prove the existence of a non-human entity is what restrict your ability to accepting the omnipotent Creator of all. When being told that logical thought is not the way to understanding such reality and your insistence to abandon it is an indication you are not open to Christ being the Son of God. It is Only Christ that will provide that provides the freedom that is eternal.

  "Hi, I'm earth. Have we met?"
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603515 wrote:Look for the info on the guy that turned water into wine too.

  
  Already have that info. No need to look.
  
  The man cured of AIDs is named Timothy Ray Brown.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603521 wrote:Your insistence on trying to use human thought process to prove the existence of a non-human entity is what restrict your ability to accepting the omnipotent Creator of all. When being told that logical thought is not the way to understanding such reality and your insistence to abandon it is an indication you are not open to Christ being the Son of God. It is Only Christ that will provide that provides the freedom that is eternal.

  Sounds like something straight out of a cult handbook.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603524 wrote:Already have that info. No need to look.
  
  The man cured of AIDs is named Timothy Ray Brown.

  Did god cure his AIDS or did his doctors?
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603529 wrote:Did god cure his AIDS or did his doctors?

  
  Could have been both. That hasn't been published.
• Devils Advocate

  

  sleeper;1603529 wrote:Did god cure his AIDS or did his doctors?

  Actually, Satan did.
  
  He was responsible for making that **** Eve eat the apple of knowledge and the bitch is resposible for us all being born in sin.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603531 wrote:Could have been both. That hasn't been published.

  I would love to see published works stating that "God saved this man".
  
  Con_Alma I'm betting when you get sick you go to the doctor rather than just praying to be cured. Convenient.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603536 wrote:I would love to see published works stating that "God saved this man".
  
  Con_Alma I'm betting when you get sick you go to the doctor rather than just praying to be cured. Convenient.

  I would personally do both as opposed to just one.
• Devils Advocate

  

  
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603538 wrote:I would personally do both as opposed to just one.

  Why go to the doctor though? Why doesn't god just save you since you are praying to be saved and he loves you?
  
  The doctor uses medicine derived from the logic of science and research; which is entirely antithetical to religious belief. Pretty incredible to watch an all powerful god lay at the feet of science when any real work has to be done.
• HitsRus

  

  Well at least he can take off his spacesuit.
• HitsRus

  

  The doctor uses medicine derived from the logic of science and research; which is entirely antithetical to religious belief

  No, it's not.
  
  Just another example of another of one of your erroneous assumptions interspersed among your gross generalizations.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1603931 wrote:No, it's not.
  
  Just another example of another of one of your erroneous assumptions interspersed among your gross generalizations.

  Okay wise one. Tell me how pharmaceutical drugs are created. Is that in the bible too?