Can Science and Religion co exist?

• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603912 wrote:Why go to the doctor though? Why doesn't god just save you since you are praying to be saved and he loves you?
  
  The doctor uses medicine derived from the logic of science and research; which is entirely antithetical to religious belief. Pretty incredible to watch an all powerful god lay at the feet of science when any real work has to be done.

  
  An Omnipotent God can "save" people anyway He chooses. Divine intervention has and can exist through other people. Medicine and skill are not necessarily separate entities from God's hand.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603937 wrote:An Omnipotent God can "save" people anyway He chooses. Divine intervention has and can exist through other people. Medicine and skill are not necessarily separate entities from God's hand.

  So it is god's choice to led millions die of AIDS, breast cancer, malaria, etc.? Why does your god choose to kill these people and why do you worship such an asshole?
• HitsRus

  

  Creation of pharamaceutical drugs/ medicine are not against my religion.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1603941 wrote:Creation of pharamaceutical drugs/ medicine are not against my religion.

  Convenient. Relying on science to do all the work instead of just praying to your all powerful god for healz.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603943 wrote:Convenient. Relying on science to do all the work instead of just praying to your all powerful god for healz.

  Praying and seeing a doctor is not relying on science to do all the work.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603945 wrote:Praying and seeing a doctor is not relying on science to do all the work.

  Are you implying that a doctor is more powerful than your god?
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603939 wrote:So it is god's choice to led millions die of AIDS, breast cancer, malaria, etc.? Why does your god choose to kill these people and why do you worship such an asshole?

  
  We all die a physical death. God doesn't kill them. The goal is an eternal life with Him not a physical, worldly, never ending life here.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603947 wrote:Are you implying that a doctor is more powerful than your god?

  
  Nope....just one worldly being using skills provided from a life given by God.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603948 wrote:We all die a physical death. God doesn't kill them. The goal is an eternal life with Him not a physical, worldly, never ending life here.

  God doesn't kill them but he's like the guy watching a rape and lets it happen when his intervention could prevent it. That is your god; way to worship that guy! If the goal is an eternal life with him, why doesn't he just kill everyone and move everyone up to heaven?
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603949 wrote:Nope....just one worldly being using skills provided from a life given by God.

  What about nuclear bombs that have killed hundreds of thousands of people? Does god take credit for this as well? If so, why do you worship a god who creates life that kills innocent people?
• Con_Alma

  I can't speak for God. I do give him credit for the life and it's ability to do worldly things. What man chooses to do with it is on us. Some choose good. Some choose bad.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603951 wrote:God doesn't kill them but he's like the guy watching a rape and lets it happen when his intervention could prevent it. That is your god; way to worship that guy! If the goal is an eternal life with him, why doesn't he just kill everyone and move everyone up to heaven?

  People are put here to worship and praise Him. Man choosing to do horrible things isn't on God.
• HitsRus

  

  Convienient???? LOL...it's the truth.
  

  So it is god's choice to led millions die of AIDS, breast cancer, malaria, etc.? Why does your god choose to kill these people and why do you worship such an asshole?

  It might be. Far be it from me(or you) to ascertain the creator's purpose.
  Besides death or "kill" is only so terrible if you believe that there is nothing beyond life on this planet. While all human beings are animals and have a strong self preservation instinct, death , although not desired, is not necessarily the 'end'.
  Further, some religions(Buddhism) focus particularly on life essentially being suffering...and focus on it's reduction. Iam not an expert on Buddhism, so don't ask me to explain, but you are welcome do your own research.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603959 wrote:Peope are put here to wirship and praise Him. Man choosing to do horrible things isn't on God.

  Convenient. Good to know you support, condone, and worship a man who has the power to make the world a better place but chooses against it.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1603970 wrote:Convienient???? LOL...it's the truth.
  
  
  
  It might be. Far be it from me(or you) to ascertain the creator's purpose.
  Besides death or "kill" is only so terrible if you believe that there is nothing beyond life on this planet. While all human beings are animals and have a strong self preservation instinct, death , although not desired, is not necessarily the 'end'.
  Further, some religions(Buddhism) focus particularly on life essentially being suffering...and focus on it's reduction. Iam not an expert on Buddhism, so don't ask me to explain, but you are welcome do your own research.

  I can ascertain whatever since its all made up anyway and my thoughts, even made extremely off the cuff, have as much evidence as the entire religious body combined x 10,000,000 trillion.
• HitsRus

  

  10,000,000 trillion

  That's a big number...are you sure you are capable of understanding how big? Scientists usually use exponents. Ten million trillion is usually what at eight year old says.
  As for the rest of that post, you have at best, the same amount of eveidence, and at worst, a lot less.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1603982 wrote:That's a big number...are you sure you are capable of understanding how big? Scientists usually use exponents. Ten million trillion is usually what at eight year old says.
  As for the rest of that post, you have at best, the same amount of eveidence, and at worst, a lot less.

  A big number times zero is still zero.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1603972 wrote:Convenient. Good to know you support, condone, and worship a man who has the power to make the world a better place but chooses against it.

  If you think the "world" should be His focus then you are in the right frame of mind not believing in Him.
• HitsRus

  

  you are exactly right...you are at zero.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1603990 wrote:you are exactly right...you are at zero.

  You do realize you are also at zero as well and will be until the end of time.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603988 wrote:If you think the "world" should be His focus then you are in the right frame of mind not believing in Him.

  The right frame of mind being logical and reasonable. Yes I agree. Enjoy ignorance.
• Con_Alma

  Using man's logic to try and understand an inhuman entity is likened to trying to use fire to construct a snowman.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1603997 wrote:Using man's logic to try and understand an inhuman entity is likened to trying to use fire to construct a snowman.

  Cop out. We have the bible which was written by human's; what's so hard to understand?
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1603997 wrote:Using man's logic to try and understand an inhuman entity is likened to trying to use fire to construct a snowman.

  gosh a ruddies,
  what definition of inhuman are you using?
  "lacking qualities of sympathy, pity, warmth, compassion, or the like; cruel; brutal: an inhuman master" is that God?
  or
  "not suited for human beings. "
  or
  "not human in nature or character" even though
  "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
  Genesis 1:27
• HitsRus

  

  You do realize you are also at zero as well and will be until the end of time

  "until the end of time".....you have proof that time ends?
  
  Besides, I am not exactly at zero anyway.We may not be able to deductively 'prove' God's existence(and please understand that 'God' is an anthropromorphic term)...but we can induce such. Science uses this all the time.(see physics and subatomic particles).Multiple religions arising independently from different areas, many of which contain similar 'stories', the same precepts and values, spirituality... suggest some sort of existence beyond what we can know here. They speak of timelessness, perfection, power long before we observed them in the universe. These and other things help us induce that there is an intelligence in the universe, and that in some way we are connected to it.
  

  The right frame of mind being logical and reasonable. Yes I agree. Enjoy ignorance

  LOL...read your Stephen Hawking's quote ...you are your biggest enemy :RpS_w00t: