Can Science and Religion co exist?
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sleeper
Jmog, how do you think the dinosaurs became extinct? Was it the great flood? Why didn't Noah put dinosaurs on the boat along with the 10 billion other species on the planet?jmog;1601206 wrote:Strawman logical fallacy.
But it why would I expect anything less from you.
Flat earth society, really? That's the best you can do? People who believe the earth is flat against direct pictures from space, you know direct observable science, you liken to young earth creationists who are not faced with ANY observational science.
You keep trying to be funny with the dinosaurs and act like you are smarter than everyone else. But here goes.
No one wants to talk about the fact that many dinosaur fossils have been found with soft tissue in it. Soft tissue is impossible if the bones are millions of years old.
Explain how how the Bible, in the book of Job, exactly explains a brachiosaurus when the first dinosaur fossils were found in the 1800s and the book of Job was written many centuries BC?
Explain MANY ancient cultures with artwork exactly depicting dinosaurs interacting with humans?
Explain MANY cases of human fossilized footprints intermixed with dinosaur fossils and footprints?
Why are these dismissed and ignored by "mainstream" scientists and media? Because it doesn't fit the narrative. -
sleeper
A giraffe?jmog;1601355 wrote: 3. Tail like a cedar tree, mountains bring food (as in high up), large enough to drink up a whole river, strength/size in his legs and stomach, sounds like a primitive description of a brachiosaurus to me. What modern day animal would you say that describes oh wise one. -
sleeper
Delusional. I mean Christ man. FUCKING CHRIST.5. No one ever claimed 100% of the animals on the arc were full grown adults. Why couldn't baby dinosaurs, baby elephants, etc be chosen to save room. I know that would be way too hard to figure out right? -
cruiser_96
You keep using that word... "Delusional". Is that analogous to believing nothing turned into something, or even the creation creating itself?
Aaah, yes. Delusional indeed. Thanks again. -
DeyDurkie5
baby dinosaurs?? -
jmog
Giraffes legs are skinny and it's tail is very small.sleeper;1601703 wrote:A giraffe? -
Devils Advocate
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jmog
You have been pretentious at best, you know it, I know it, everyone who has read this thread knows it. Stop pretending.BoatShoes;1601668 wrote:1. It does not make me "a smart person" because I don't believe mythology actually happened! Jmog a smart person can believe totally ridiculous things. This is part of the Human Condition. You are smart person. You just believe totally ridiculous things like that there were baby dinosaurs taken onto a ship by a drunk so God could kill everybody with a flood and promise never to do it again with a rainbow.
If that's what you think straw man fallacy is, I suggest you look up the defintion.2. It's not a straw man because I was able to draw out of you the fact that you actually believe this stuff. You've revealed that your position is indeed that weak. Again, life is too short. There is very likely no magical after life in Heaven with Jesus just like it is very likely that there are not werewolves so I have to make the most of this one and I can't do that by arguing with people who think Noah carried a baby Brachiosaurus onto an Ark.
If there had been bones/fossils of a humanoid that looked just like the described Medusa, you would care.3. Of Course that sounds like a dinosaur to you. You're talking about a made up story with multiple internal inconsistencies in the particular text of JOB that not to mention describes the Devil and God talking to eachother over playing with a man's life. It's all a bunch of mythology Jmog and didn't actually happen. Sorry. I don't care how Medusa was described before Perseus beheaded her and I don't care about the description of a "behemoth" in a poem about divine justice because I don't care to pretend that the events in that poem actually happened. It is fiction!
If there were many bones/fossils of "ancient aliens" to match said cavemen drawings, then you would have a point. Here's the main difference. We have 1000s of fossils of dinosaurs that look just like the ancient civilization artifacts' pictorials of said animals. If we did not have said bones/fossils then you could compare such things to "ancient aliens". Until then it is once again another strawman fallacy.4. There is a plausible explanation for all of that just like there is a plausible explanation for hieroglyphics of what appear to be space men or UFO's. Maybe the History Channel should run a show called "Ancient Dinosaurs" with a bunch of Young Earth Creationists describing where and how Dinosaurs walked among us the same way they do with Aliens. Then the channel would really jump the shark even more so than it already has. There is not enough time in the day and you would not be convinced anyways.
So we should "shun" those who look at present data/observations, apply assumptions, and come up with a hypothesis about how the world came to be? Sounds just like what evolutionary biologists do to me. Should we shun them too? Or just those you don't happen to agree with?But, Young Earth Creationism is not one of those examples and those Christians who are committed to science and reason should shun Young Earth Creationists from the public square just like they shun Harold Camping, Benny Hinn and all of the other charlatans. -
sleeper
Hyperbole is never used in philosophy discussions.jmog;1601908 wrote:Giraffes legs are skinny and it's tail is very small. -
sleeper
Delusional is the best word to describe religious believers.cruiser_96;1601709 wrote:You keep using that word... "Delusional". Is that analogous to believing nothing turned into something, or even the creation creating itself?
Aaah, yes. Delusional indeed. Thanks again.
Also I've already addressed the point you keep bringing up in this thread about 'spontaneous generation' and 'something from nothing'. If that is your argument, who created god and why? If god always existed, why can't everything just have always existed? And since you are claiming that you know that a specific god did this and that, where is your evidence that convinced you your god is the correct god and how was this evidence collected? I patiently await your logical and well thought out response. -
jmog
Let a=b=1Devils Advocate;1601925 wrote:
Therefore b^2=ab
Also, a^2=a^2
Now, subtract the 2nd equation from the first, this leads to...b^2-a^a=ab-a^2
Now Factor both sides (b-a)(b+a)=a(b-a)
Divide both sides by (b-a), b+a=a
Add 3 to both sides, b+a+3=a+3
But, b=a=1, therefore 1+1+3=1+3
Rearraging, 2+2=5
Mind blown...
All joking aside, can someone find the fault in that 'proof' without using google or the internet? -
Heretic
SpiderMan is a cartoon character and therefore, not real unless you have a lot of faith we live in a world where SpiderMen can walk amongst us?jmog;1601991 wrote:Let a=b=1
Therefore b^2=ab
Also, a^2=a^2
Now, subtract the 2nd equation from the first, this leads to...b^2-a^a=ab-a^2
Now Factor both sides (b-a)(b+a)=a(b-a)
Divide both sides by (b-a), b+a=a
Add 3 to both sides, b+a+3=a+3
But, b=a=1, therefore 1+1+3=1+3
Rearraging, 2+2=5
Mind blown...
All joking aside, can someone find the fault in that 'proof' without using google or the internet? -
Automatik
Interesting.jmog;1601355 wrote:1. You are acting like you think you are smarter than everyone.
2. You keep resorting to straw man arguments and it ruins your points.
3. Tail like a cedar tree, mountains bring food (as in high up), large enough to drink up a whole river, strength/size in his legs and stomach, sounds like a primitive description of a brachiosaurus to me. What modern day animal would you say that describes oh wise one.
4. You still haven't explained the fact that ancient art work in pottery etc shows dinosaurs with humans and interlinking fossils do exist.
5. No one ever claimed 100% of the animals on the arc were full grown adults. Why couldn't baby dinosaurs, baby elephants, etc be chosen to save room. I know that would be way too hard to figure out right?
What are your thoughts on Jonah and the Whale? -
Devils Advocate
Actually, The story said it was a FISH. I guess that fish didn't survive the flood because there isn't a fish that big. sooooo. It must have been a Dinosaur! PROOF!!!!!Automatik;1602017 wrote:Interesting.
What are your thoughts on Jonah and the Whale? -
Heretic
I thought Jonah came after the flood. In which case, I figure that fish was rewarded for its service by taken to the same cartoon dimension that Spider-Man is from, where he became Monstro the whale and swallowed Pinocchio.Devils Advocate;1602025 wrote:Actually, The story said it was a FISH. I guess that fish didn't survive the flood because there isn't a fish that big. sooooo. It must have been a Dinosaur! PROOF!!!!!
It all makes sense when you connect all the dots and realize that, at heart, all fictional characters wind up in the same universe. -
sleeper
This has greater to or equal the amount of evidence that organized religion has. It's a sad reality that anything said, no matter how ridiculous, has the same amount of evidence as something billions of people believe in.Heretic;1602033 wrote:I thought Jonah came after the flood. In which case, I figure that fish was rewarded for its service by taken to the same cartoon dimension that Spider-Man is from, where he became Monstro the whale and swallowed Pinocchio.
It all makes sense when you connect all the dots and realize that, at heart, all fictional characters wind up in the same universe. -
jmog
Not sure to be honest, could just be a metaphorical story, could not be.Automatik;1602017 wrote:Interesting.
What are your thoughts on Jonah and the Whale? -
jmog
Chronologically no, Jonah happened well after the flood.Devils Advocate;1602025 wrote:Actually, The story said it was a FISH. I guess that fish didn't survive the flood because there isn't a fish that big. sooooo. It must have been a Dinosaur! PROOF!!!!! -
Automatik
How is it decided what stories are metaphorical or not?jmog;1602071 wrote:Not sure to be honest, could just be a metaphorical story, could not be. -
Devils Advocate
Yes! I have never been more happy about being wrong! Dinosaurs AFTER the flood!jmog;1602072 wrote:Chronologically no, Jonah happened well after the flood. -
DeyDurkie5
Coin flipAutomatik;1602078 wrote:How is it decided what stories are metaphorical or not? -
sleeper
Has it ever crossed your mind that the entire bible could be a metaphorical story?jmog;1602071 wrote:Not sure to be honest, could just be a metaphorical story, could not be. -
sleeper
And you still haven't answered my question about where in the bible does it talk about Dinosaurs becoming extinct?
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cruiser_96
No, good sir. Our existence and everything that is here is evidence of something outside of us placing us here. Science has proven that spontaneous generation has not, does, and will not occur. So, the burden of proof is on you. ...how (or why) something rather than nothing?sleeper;1601990 wrote:Delusional is the best word to describe religious believers.
Also I've already addressed the point you keep bringing up in this thread about 'spontaneous generation' and 'something from nothing'. If that is your argument, who created god and why? If god always existed, why can't everything just have always existed? And since you are claiming that you know that a specific god did this and that, where is your evidence that convinced you your god is the correct god and how was this evidence collected? I patiently await your logical and well thought out response.
I have already answered the "Who created god and why". God exists outside of the time realm we are regulated to. See Aseity. This also answers why God can exist but everything can't exist from eternity past. It's the nature of time. It (time) had a beginning. If time always existed, we would never get to this point. (Try counting from negative infinity - you'll never get to the number 42.) Secondarily, time and space are not causal agents. Neither is chance for that matter. Give time all the chances in the world, and chance all the time in the world, and give both all the space it needs, but nothing will always result in nothing.
This is my issue with the idea of an atheistic universe. These things are impossible and what we are left with in an atheistic universe.