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Big passenger jet may have gone down

  • thavoice
    reclegend22;1592015 wrote:Breaking news on CNN this afternoon: Last satellite ping from plane believed to have come while plane was on land, not in the ocean.

    Timeline of Flight 370

    12:41 a.m.: Plane departs Kuala Lumpur for Beijing

    1:07 a.m: Last transmission from ACARS system (digital system for transmission of short messages between plane and ground stations via satellite or radio

    1:19 a.m: Last verbal communication with plane over Chinese sea (confirmed that "All right, goodnight" call came from flight's co-pilot)

    1:21 a.m: Transponder stops working

    1:30 a.m: Civilian radar loses contact with plane

    1:37 a.m. Next ACARS transmission due, but doesn't come in

    2:15 a.m. Military radar last detects the plane off Malaysia's west coast (Indian Ocean side)

    8:11 a.m. Satellite makes last electronic "handshake" with plane


    It looks more and more like at least one of the pilots had a hand in this, whatever it is.
    ON land, or OVER land?
  • reclegend22
    thavoice;1592020 wrote:ON land, or OVER land?
    The report I saw just said "on the ground," and not in the water. So not sure exactly. I highly doubt the plane is still flying, though. I still think the plane is crashed on a mountain somewhere or hidden in a jungle.
  • reclegend22
    I meant I don't think the plane was still flying at that point (by the time of the last ping). Most reports indicate that there would've been almost no fuel left by 8 or 9 a.m.
  • baseballstud24
    But wouldn't they see smoke or something coming from the plane if it was crashed on land? I feel like it would be significantly easier to find a plane on land rather than in the ocean.
  • SportsAndLady
    I'm telling you guys. This plane didn't crash. This is 2014 people. Planes don't just go down with zero people seeing.

    This thing was hijacked and is being prepped as we speak.
  • queencitybuckeye
    SportsAndLady;1592056 wrote:I'm telling you guys. This plane didn't crash. This is 2014 people. Planes don't just go down with zero people seeing.

    This thing was hijacked and is being prepped as we speak.
    There are millions of square miles of land on the planet that have never been explored by humans. These areas would likely be of little to no interest to those who aim the various satellites.

    Your conclusion may be valid, but it's based on a very shaky premise.
  • vball10set
    SportsAndLady;1592056 wrote:I'm telling you guys. This plane didn't crash. This is 2014 people. Planes don't just go down with zero people seeing.

    This thing was hijacked and is being prepped as we speak.

    I sure hope you're wrong.
  • thavoice
    Well by the time they started to look in the spots where it actually may have crashed I doubt there would be any more smoke.
    baseballstud24;1592052 wrote:But wouldn't they see smoke or something coming from the plane if it was crashed on land? I feel like it would be significantly easier to find a plane on land rather than in the ocean.
  • dlazz
    SportsAndLady;1592056 wrote:I'm telling you guys. This plane didn't crash.
    Quoting for future lulz
  • sleeper
    SportsAndLady;1592056 wrote:I'm telling you guys. This plane didn't crash. This is 2014 people. Planes don't just go down with zero people seeing.

    This thing was hijacked and is being prepped as we speak.
    It's at the bottom of the ocean. Please stop with these stupid conspiracy theories.
  • SportsAndLady
    sleeper;1592087 wrote:It's at the bottom of the ocean. Please stop with these stupid conspiracy theories.
    No conspiracy, just my guess.
  • Devils Advocate
    sleeper;1592087 wrote:It's at the bottom of the ocean. Please stop with these stupid conspiracy theories.
    Fucking great. Osama Has control of another Jumbo jet to use against us. :(



    Thanks Obama.
  • vball10set
    Devils Advocate;1592108 wrote:Fucking great. Osama Has control of another Jumbo jet to use against us. :(
    lol, well played ;)
  • reclegend22
    sleeper;1592087 wrote:It's at the bottom of the ocean. Please stop with these stupid conspiracy theories.
    As posted previously, authorities leading the investigation now say the last satellite ping from the plane came on land at approximately 8 a.m. the following morning, almost eight hours after the plane did an about face over the south China sea. There is no evidence that the plane is in the ocean.

    This plane likely went north and is either landed or crashed in a remote location.
  • reclegend22
    baseballstud24;1592052 wrote:But wouldn't they see smoke or something coming from the plane if it was crashed on land? I feel like it would be significantly easier to find a plane on land rather than in the ocean.
    Probably not if the plane collided at 600 knots into a snowy mountain ridge high in the Himalayas.
  • Belly35
    I have a feeling this plane is on land ....
  • reclegend22
    Zaharie Ahmad Shad, the 53-year-old pilot of Malaysian Air Flight 370 who was discovered to have had a flight simulator at his personal residence, has been confirmed as a member of a Malaysian opposition group. Investigators believe that Zaharie may have concocted this plan, whatever that plan ultimately was, as some sort of political vendetta.

    I think it is now clear that both pilots were involved, at least in some capacity or another.
  • se-alum
    Course changed by reprogramming of flight path in cockpit?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
  • se-alum
    Also, dude on CNN just said the plane flew into either the Northern or Southern hemisphere, so it should be easy to find now.
  • gut
    reclegend22;1592134 wrote:As posted previously, authorities leading the investigation now say the last satellite ping from the plane came on land at approximately 8 a.m. the following morning, almost eight hours after the plane did an about face over the south China sea. There is no evidence that the plane is in the ocean.

    This plane likely went north and is either landed or crashed in a remote location.
    You keep saying this, but I've not read a single article today saying that (it's not even part of CNN's list of recent developments). What I HAVE read said the US has moved it P8(?) asset to Perth, which is where the US believes the plane went down in the Indian Ocean to the west.

    CNN's website has several tidbits debunking your claim it went north and landed/crashed anywhere. Experts don't believe a 777 is capable of sustaining flight low enough and long enough to evade radar. That's not to say a review of radar records spotted the plane but that country is not releasing the information.
  • gut
    Why not just throw this theory out (my own):

    China knows the plane landed/crashed somewhere in its western region, but for multiple reasons has chosen to handle the matter in secret.
  • Pick6
    I don't know if anyone has brought this up..but if the last "ping" identifying the plane was supposedly that of it on the ground, wouldn't they just search that area?!?


    It's in the bottom of the ocean and I won't be convinced otherwise unless there is proof.
  • reclegend22
    gut;1592236 wrote:You keep saying this, but I've not read a single article today saying that (it's not even part of CNN's list of recent developments). What I HAVE read said the US has moved it P8(?) asset to Perth, which is where the US believes the plane went down in the Indian Ocean to the west.

    CNN's website has several tidbits debunking your claim it went north and landed/crashed anywhere. Experts don't believe a 777 is capable of sustaining flight low enough and long enough to evade radar. That's not to say a review of radar records spotted the plane but that country is not releasing the information.
    That the final satellite ping came while the plane was on the ground was a point of interest all morning on CNN. I watched CNN periodically this morning when in the vicinity of a TV. As for how the plane could have travelled north without detection or being noticed, as I've said before, aviation experts have stated that, while it would've taken expert piloting and precision planning, it certainly wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility given the less advanced radar and airspace surveillance capabilities in certain areas in the area of question.

    An alternative scenario supporting the "plane was on the ground" theory is that the aircraft instead flew south and either landed or crashed onto one of the 18,000+ islands of the Indonesian archipelago, the vast majority of which are uninhabited, covered by dense jungle terrain and in the absolute middle of nowhere.

    As I said, that was one of the leading developments earlier this morning. Things are changing all the time as this story continues to develop, so who knows.
  • reclegend22
    Pick6;1592251 wrote:I don't know if anyone has brought this up..but if the last "ping" identifying the plane was supposedly that of it on the ground, wouldn't they just search that area?!?
    Apparently since there was only one satellite tracking the plane in this particular situation, the pings only give a general "arc" of where the plane was at the time of transmission. Hence the northern or southern arc that is the focus of the current search.

    It's all really confusing.
  • gut
    Pick6;1592251 wrote:I don't know if anyone has brought this up..but if the last "ping" identifying the plane was supposedly that of it on the ground, wouldn't they just search that area?!?
    Nothing I've read says the ping can tell them that - it would have to have been based on some other data point. As far as I know, they are still searching the seas which would seem to debunk that claim.

    A "ping" from a single satellite only reveals the location - and not altitude, speed or anything like that - as it relates to the angle from the satellite hundreds of miles above the earth. That's where the "arc" of the possible locations comes from as that angle dictates a large, circular area of possible locations relative to the angle/satellite. They then eliminated part of that circle based on fuel estimates and Malaysian radar.