Big passenger jet may have gone down

• gut

  Con_Alma;1591017 wrote: The US intelligence agency, however, is "leaning heavily" towards the pilots being deliberate and responsible however. Lol "Leaning heavily" is about as certain as we have right now.

  I completely buy that. Some with skill and knowledge had to disable the comms, and I think post 9/11 this is very difficult for a hijacker to pull-off...so the only logical assumption is at least 1 pilot was involved.
• gut

  Some interesting points about military radar.
  
  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Missing-Malaysian-flight-did-not-pass-over-Indian-airspace-Kolkata-ATC/articleshow/32091364.cms
  "Guild member Sushil Mondal concurred, explaining that all hell would break loose if Air Force detected an aircraft that did not have air defence clearance. "
  
  "To attempt something like that would require meticulous planning by someone who knows flight paths thoroughly to fly at an altitude where he does not anticipate another aircraft. The person then also had an intended destination where a plane as large as a B 777 can land. It is all still a big mystery to us," said Mondal.
  
  
• reclegend22

  

  My bet is that the younger pilot who authorities have since discovered had a full-scale flight deck simulator at his personal residence had it installed for reasons far more sinister than wanting to be the best pilot he can be. When asked whether such a setup is typical in the homes of pilots, an aviation professional told CNN that it would be quite strange.
• Laley23

  

  reclegend22;1591056 wrote:My bet is that the younger pilot who authorities have since discovered had a full-scale flight deck simulator at his personal residence had it installed for reasons far more sinister than wanting to be the best pilot he can be. When asked whether such a setup is typical in the homes of pilots, an aviation professional told CNN that it would be quite strange.

  Yeah, he would be the first person ever to go home and do exactly what he had been doing all day.
  
  No one goes home from work to practice more work lol
• Midstate01

  

  But what is the purpose of it...just wanted to commit suicide? Wanted to bring a plane down... I just don't understand why someone would do that.
• reclegend22

  

  Laley23;1591058 wrote:Yeah, he would be the first person ever to go home and do exactly what he had been doing all day.
  
  No one goes home from work to practice more work lol

  Lol. Yeah, I can honestly say that I've never considered building an exact replica of my desk at work in my living room at home.
  
  That theory would also lend to the idea that the pilot was helping to train whomever it was that might have aided in the commandeering of the plane. Obviously, doing so in the privacy of the pilot's home would be ideal.
  
  This case gets more and more interesting.
• reclegend22

  

  Midstate01;1591069 wrote:But what is the purpose of it...just wanted to commit suicide? Wanted to bring a plane down... I just don't understand why someone would do that.

  The purpose was probably related to terrorism of some sort. The pilot in question is only 27, I believe, with only like 2700 flight hours. He may very well have been a "plant" by some organization with the intention of one day carrying out such an act.
  
  These theories are based on nothing, but who knows at this point.
• Midstate01

  

  reclegend22;1591076 wrote:The purpose was probably related to terrorism of some sort. The pilot in question is only 27, I believe, with only like 2700 flight hours. He may very well have been a "plant" by some organization with the intention of one day carrying out such an act.
  
  These theories are based on nothing, but who knows at this point.

  That reason makes tons of sense... just hard to fathom. Why just some random plane... just weird. Unless It was badically a test run
• xKoToVxSyNdRoMe

  

  The older pilot was the one with the simulator, unless CNN had the two mixed up. He had around 18000 hours of experience I think. They said he really loved flying but it still seems weird.
• reclegend22

  

  xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1591084 wrote:The older pilot was the one with the simulator, unless CNN had the two mixed up. He had around 18000 hours of experience I think. They said he really loved flying but it still seems weird.

  Yeah, I think I heard it the other way around earlier. But, as you say, either way is strange.
  
  But it would seem odd for a pilot of that many years to spontaneously become a state-sponsored terrorist. Lol. If he were one all along, that's dedication.
• gut

  I'm not sure we know enough about the simulator to say much about it. One story claims it was an over-the-counter MS flight simulator game (and it was the older pilot who had it).
  
  I think it would be quite a feat for the inexperienced pilot, just transitioning/learning the 777, to navigate to and land on some remote airstrip. I'm not sure what the plan would be there though, unless maybe the pilot was willing to steal the plane but not crash it.
• Glory Days

  

  SportsAndLady;1590990 wrote:Because data was sent saying it was flying for 4+ hours. So it must have been shot down after flying that long. So why would someone shoot it down after flying for so long?

  Because it took 4 hours for it to reach Chinese airspace? I wouldn't put it past the Chinese to shoot down a commercial airplane.
• Glory Days

  

  One thing to remember if its terrorism related. They like to brag and I find it hard to believe if a terrorist group did this, they aren't all over Al-Jazeera claiming responsibility for it.
• reclegend22

  

  Glory Days;1591111 wrote:One thing to remember if its terrorism related. They like to brag and I find it hard to believe if a terrorist group did this, they aren't all over Al-Jazeera claiming responsibility for it.

  Unless, as S&L stated, the plan has yet to be carried out in its entirety (i.e. the plane is being prepped with explosives for a future flight into a building or structure of some sort).
• SportsAndLady

  

  Glory Days;1591111 wrote:One thing to remember if its terrorism related. They like to brag and I find it hard to believe if a terrorist group did this, they aren't all over Al-Jazeera claiming responsibility for it.

  Right, because logic and precedence is definitely something we should look at with terrorists.
• SportsAndLady

  

  reclegend22;1591116 wrote:Unless, as S&L stated, the plan has yet to be carried out in its entirety (i.e. the plane is being prepped with explosives for a future flight into a building or structure of some sort).

  That's gotta be it. I mean why else wait this long? If it was a hostage situation, come out with the demands already. If they just wanted to kill 240 people on a plane, come out and take responsibility now that it's been done.
  
  We've literally heard nothing. My guess, they're strapping that plane with so much explosives and bombs, they'll make a city like London or Paris light the fuck up pretty soon.
• gut

  For $300M or whatever a plane costs, you'd think they could spare $15 for lo-jack
• Midstate01

  

  I have given 0 thought to this plane being somewhere other than the bottom of the ocean. If it isn't..that'd be insane. But how could you keep anyone from not using a cell? Once they got to a certain altitude, someone could at least send a text. Unless they killed everyone. But how? Unless they got firearms onboard, they couldn't stab everyone without getting overrun. Unless there's something to this being above 40k feet, and people suffocating. I just can't wrap my mind around this. So crazy and strange.
• Midstate01

  

  Have they said how deep the waters are where they are searching?
• reclegend22

  

  Midstate01;1591150 wrote:Have they said how deep the waters are where they are searching?

  The area of the Chinese sea where the plane allegedly did an about face and turned back its course is reportedly about 175 feet deep. The middle of the Indian Ocean -- where the search is apparently centered now -- is several miles in depth in some places.
• gut

  Midstate01;1591149 wrote:I have given 0 thought to this plane being somewhere other than the bottom of the ocean.

  Yeah, I say pilot suicide, or it crashed/ran out of fuel (for whatever reason), or shot down.
  
  It makes 0 sense if terrorists were to hijack a plane that they would potentially risk such fortune trying to divert and land to some remote place. It had enough fuel to go after numerous targets along the way of its intended flight path. I seriously doubt it can later take off from said remote place and get within even 100 miles of a major city.
  
  If we want to come up with unbelievable theories, maybe this was a "classic" pre-9/11 hijacking where they attempted to use hostages to negotiate for something. They'd have more leverage/control if no one knew where the plane and hostages were. But the idea the plane was stolen for whatever purpose is very James Bond-ish.
• Glory Days

  

  SportsAndLady;1591120 wrote:That's gotta be it. I mean why else wait this long? If it was a hostage situation, come out with the demands already. If they just wanted to kill 240 people on a plane, come out and take responsibility now that it's been done.
  
  We've literally heard nothing. My guess, they're strapping that plane with so much explosives and bombs, they'll make a city like London or Paris light the fuck up pretty soon.

  The plane crashed in the ocean. but to play along with your theory, the only place I see it being able to land fairly undetected is Africa. All of the other countries, even places like Pakistan, have somewhat modern radar and would pick up on something like a jumbo jet(especially coming from the direction of India). and a lot of those countries also have a heavy US military presence, so I would hope they would pick up on the plane too.
• Glory Days

  

  SportsAndLady;1591118 wrote:Right, because logic and precedence is definitely something we should look at with terrorists.

  They would never even get close to any population area. again, the whole world is looking for this plane, any UFO on a radar is going to be met with strict scrutiny. If they try and turn on their beacons and blend in with regular air traffic, they are going to be a flying bulls eye on someone's radar screen with their flight number. if they try and fly below or around radar, there are enough people between any modern city and wherever in bumfuck Africa they are, to see a jumbo jet flying well below where it should be.
• Glory Days

  

  gut;1591157 wrote:Yeah, I say pilot suicide, or it crashed/ran out of fuel (for whatever reason), or shot down.
  
  It makes 0 sense if terrorists were to hijack a plane that they would potentially risk such fortune trying to divert and land to some remote place. It had enough fuel to go after numerous targets along the way of its intended flight path. I seriously doubt it can later take off from said remote place and get within even 100 miles of a major city.
  
  If we want to come up with unbelievable theories, maybe this was a "classic" pre-9/11 hijacking where they attempted to use hostages to negotiate for something. They'd have more leverage/control if no one knew where the plane and hostages were. But the idea the plane was stolen for whatever purpose is very James Bond-ish.

  Plus, said remote airstrip is going to need a shit ton of modern jet fuel for that plane to get very far if it wants to take off again.
• gut

  Glory Days;1591165 wrote:Plus, said remote airstrip is going to need a shit ton of modern jet fuel for that plane to get very far if it wants to take off again.

  Yeah, but logistically that's probably the easiest part of this fantasy. Practically speaking, I can't imagine a terrorist group sinking like $500k into purchasing and transporting the fuel (nearly 50,000 gallons) when even getting the plane to the remote airstrip (and remaining undetected) would have such low probability for success.