Big passenger jet may have gone down

• WebFire

  -Society-;1591430 wrote:No need to. I fully understand. What tiernan said was correct: You tried being smart and come out looking like an idiot. lOl!1!1!1!1!!!!1!1!11

  False. You're looking like the idiot. I'll slow it down for you and maybe you'll get it.
  
  Tiernan tried to compare the Air Malaysia mystery to the Air France crash. Air France was never a mystery, since they found wreckage and bodies at the site they knew it happened. Air Malaysia has none of that.
  
  Finding the "actual" plane is completely irrelevant.
  
  Get it now?
• -Society-

  

  WebFire;1591435 wrote:False. You're looking like the idiot. I'll slow it down for you and maybe you'll get it.
  
  Tiernan tried to compare the Air Malaysia mystery to the Air France crash. Air France was never a mystery, since they found wreckage and bodies at the site they knew it happened. Air Malaysia has none of that.
  
  Finding the "actual" plane is completely irrelevant.
  
  Get it now?

  You are a "special" kind of stupid. "Good" job! He only "compared" it to the Air France crash in saying that it's going to be years before it's found, if ever, if it indeed did "crash" into the ocean. Considering there "are" NO signs of it, I would say that is a "possibility".
  
  Air France "was" indeed a mystery, for 2 years! You should notify CNN to change their headline from 2 years ago concerning this!!11!11!!11!1

  Has Air France Flight 447 mystery finally been solved?
  

• WebFire

  -Society-;1591446 wrote:You are a "special" kind of stupid. "Good" job! He only "compared" it to the Air France crash in saying that it's going to be years before it's found, if ever, if it indeed did "crash" into the ocean. Considering there "are" NO signs of it, I would say that is a "possibility".
  
  Air France "was" indeed a mystery, for 2 years! You should notify CNN to change their headline from 2 years ago concerning this!!11!11!!11!1

  It's ok that you don't understand. !!11!!11!!11!!11
• -Society-

  

  WebFire;1591451 wrote:It's ok that you don't understand. !!11!!11!!11!!11

  Webby...I'm glad you gave up. Hopefully, you understand now that you were wrong and truly are an idiot.
• WebFire

  -Society-;1591452 wrote:Webby...I'm glad you gave up. Hopefully, you understand now that you were wrong and truly are an idiot.

  The 2 are nothing alike. The end.
• -Society-

  

  WebFire;1591456 wrote:The 2 are nothing alike. The end.

  No one, even Tiernan, said they are anything alike, except that it could take YEARS for the plane to be found (even the black boxes). The end.
  
  And, you "are" an idiot. "THE" END!!!1!111!1!1!1
• WebFire

  111!!!!111111!!!!11111
• bases_loaded

  

  They found the wreckage for the Air France flight within a few days. The black box is what took 2 years to find. It helped that they knew the flight path as the transponders weren't turned off in that instance.
• WebFire

  Society, you're reading comprehension sucks. Go back and read why he posted it. You'll then see you are wrong too.
• reclegend22

  

  Tiernan;1591382 wrote:The flight recorders are what is important but yeah I reluctantly give you that the debris at least verified a crash. In the case of the Malaysian flight that would eliminate all the 007 theorists that so desperately want this plane to be found at some Dr Evil's Liar high in the Himalayas where he built a 5000 ft runway on an ice flow.

  Nobody here thinks the hijacked plane was being flown to a supervillain's hideout on Mt. Everest to refuel before firing off a nerve agent from space to destroy the planet.
  
  It is, however, more than plausible that the plane was on its way to a terrorist safe-haven somewhere in the Middle East to carry out a hostage negotiation of some sort when it got of course and crashed in the mountains. The plane had more than enough fuel to reach the Himalayas and satellite pings indicate that that may have been the course on which it was headed.
  
  There has yet to be any debris discovered that is known to be connected to Malaysian Flight 370, making almost any theory at this point a possibility.
• gut

  reclegend22;1591779 wrote: There has yet to be any debris discovered that is known to be connected to Malaysian Flight 370, making almost any theory at this point a possibility.

  Well they supposedly aren't really searching the lower area indicated by the last ping. And there's really no point in searching the upper area unless a country is lying about not seeing it on radar
• Laley23

  

  I think the N. Korean military shot it down when it didnt respond and arent saying anything cause they dont want the rest of the world to blow them the fuck up now that its known it was just a passenger jet off course.
• reclegend22

  

  gut;1591831 wrote:Well they supposedly aren't really searching the lower area indicated by the last ping. And there's really no point in searching the upper area unless a country is lying about not seeing it on radar

  U.S. officials involved in the investigation have said they believe the last satellite ping came while the plane was on the ground, per CNN last night. Not sure exactly what that belief is based on, but, if the plane did fly seven hours after turning around over the south China sea, then the plane probably went north.
  
  I'm sure there are viable explanations for why the plane was not detected by radar.
• reclegend22

  

  Laley23;1591833 wrote:I think the N. Korean military shot it down when it didnt respond and arent saying anything cause they dont want the rest of the world to blow them the fuck up now that its known it was just a passenger jet off course.

  That is an interesting idea. Is it even possible that the plane was as far northeast as North Korea, though, based on where the satellite pings suggest the plane was? I don't know. I don't even know what a fucking ping is.
• gut

  reclegend22;1591838 wrote:U.S. officials involved in the investigation have said they believe the last satellite ping came while the plane was on the ground...

  Huh? Everything I've seen has said the US believes the plane is on the bottom of the ocean and were focusing their search on the Indian Ocean and not land/Asia.
  
  The plane only had fuel for the 6 hour flight, plus maybe 2 more hours as standard reserve. 7+ hours....that final ping is likely the last before it ran out of fuel.
  
  It's not impossible the plane evaded radar, just very unlikely (especially going back after-the-fact to review data). If the US is moving search assets to the south Indian Ocean, then the smart money is that's where the plane is.
• reclegend22

  

  gut;1591840 wrote:Huh? Everything I've seen has said the US believes the plane is on the bottom of the ocean and were focusing their search on the Indian Ocean and not land/Asia.

  http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/16/11/27/pilot-s-political-views-under-scrutiny
  
  I also heard this development on CNN yesterday evening.
  
  If this turns out to be true and the last satellite ping from the plane occurred while the aircraft was on the ground, then the plane would had to have traveled to the northern corridor of the search arc, as the southern corridor covers one of the emptiest parts of any ocean in the world.
• gut

  reclegend22;1591841 wrote:http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/16/11/27/pilot-s-political-views-under-scrutiny
  
  I also heard this development on CNN yesterday evening.
  
  If this turns out to be true and the last satellite ping from the plane occurred while the aircraft was on the ground, then the plane would had to have traveled to the northern corridor of the search arc, as the southern corridor covers one of the emptiest parts of any ocean in the world.

  You are correct. But I've read and heard multiple reports that the US is moving search assets to the south Indian Ocean. It appears to be pure speculation that the ping came with the plane on the ground - none of the data revealed public supports that as anything more than theory.
  
  I've also seen pilots/experts saying flying the plane that low is unlikely - also burning much more fuel. And also that would not evade military radar.
• gut

  Let's inject just a little common sense....the terrorists pull all this off - hijacking a plane, disappearing and evading radar...they could do that and pass-up a golden opportunity to hit significant targets in China, Asia and even Australia because of some villainous Dr. Evil plot?!? So then if it's about hostage taking and negotiating, then why have we heard nothing for 10 days?
  
  That plane is on the bottom of the ocean. I'd bet $20 on it.
• reclegend22

  

  gut;1591843 wrote:Let's inject just a little common sense....the terrorists pull all this off - hijacking a plane, disappearing and evading radar...they could do that and pass-up a golden opportunity to hit significant targets in China, Asia and even Australia because of some villainous Dr. Evil plot?!? So then if it's about hostage taking and negotiating, then why have we heard nothing for 10 days?
  
  That plane is on the bottom of the ocean. I'd bet a lot of money on it.

  Or the plane went north and hit a mountain or crashed into a remote jungle, which also would explain why we have yet to hear any of the hijackers' demands.
  
  Authorities heading the investigation are reportedly asking for all countries in the northern corridor of the search area to re-evaluate their radars. I suppose it's also possible that the plane might have passed through an area or country with poor radar or military surveillance capabilities, but that's just speculation.
  
  We both seem to agree on one thing. The plane is likely crashed and all aboard dead.
• gut

  reclegend22;1591844 wrote: Authorities heading the investigation are reportedly asking for all countries in the northern corridor of the search area to re-evaluate their radars. I suppose it's also possible that the plane might have passed through an area or country with poor radar or military surveillance capabilities, but that's just speculation.

  It may have been missed or ignored, and obviously countries are reluctant to divulge much about their radar capabilities. I've just not seen anyone that really believes the plane evaded radar. Possible someone is lying, otherwise very unlikely that plane went north.
  
  Again, go back to the hijacking scenario. You have an "invisible" plane and could hit major targets...WHY would you risk landing the plane anywhere or pushing your luck with radar? If you would, you'd make a go for a remote island rather then try to get past India, Pakistan or US radar in Afghanistan.
  
  Then if you believe the plane has crashed, why would nobody take credit for at least hijacking it?
  
  Maybe smells more like pilot suicide with a twist to make it memorable.
• reclegend22

  

  gut;1591845 wrote:It may have been missed or ignored, and obviously countries are reluctant to divulge much about their radar capabilities. I've just not seen anyone that really believes the plane evaded radar. Possible someone is lying, otherwise very unlikely that plane went north.
  
  Again, go back to the hijacking scenario. You have an "invisible" plane and could hit major targets...WHY would you risk landing the plane anywhere or pushing your luck with radar? If you would, you'd make a go for a remote island rather then try to get past India, Pakistan or US radar in Afghanistan.
  
  Then if you believe the plane has crashed, why would nobody take credit for at least hijacking it?
  
  Maybe smells more like pilot suicide with a twist to make it memorable.

  I am beginning to believe that the goal was never to strike a major target. It's more likely in my view that the intention of those responsible was to land the plane in a "safe zone" somewhere in the Middle East and then to initiate an old-school hostage negotiation for some type of ransom. It's possible that the two pilots were in on it together, or that there were actual hi-jackers on board in the cabin who commandeered the aircraft.
  
  If the pilot theory is correct, and nobody else was involved, then there obviously was never a hijacking and no one alive to tell about it. If this was the work of actual hijackers from some sort of terror group, then I'm not sure anyone alive would want to come forth and take credit for the plan since the plan did not work. Why divulge any information after a failed attempt, if there are plans for more in the future?
  
  The idea of pilot suicide with a twist -- wanting to go out with a bang, so to speak -- is also interesting to consider.
• gut

  reclegend22;1591846 wrote: The idea of pilot suicide with a twist -- wanting to go out with a bang, so to speak -- is also interesting to consider.

  I think many mass murders do so with the intent to "commit suicide" while living on infamy. It WOULD be a very plausible scenario if there was any indication of one of the crew being suicidal, but nothing released has remotely suggested that.
  
  I rule out terrorist hijacking - plans are likely already in motion to prevent this in the future, so coming forward to take credit isn't going to have a material effect...but they would do it for 1) recruiting and 2) fear. I think it extremely unlikely that terrorists would get control of a plane and not use it to immediately strike a target.
  
  I'd agree with you that the old hostage taking scenario makes a lot of sense. And entirely possible the "landing" aspect failed because the coordinates and/or route weren't expertly planned. Assume he needs daylight to land....a variety of reasons he might not have been able to locate the remote island (which may not be an easy navigational task without benefit of ATC) and runs out of fuel.
  
  One of the theories I've seen said the younger pilot sympathized with some guy jailed for sodomy, which the govt might have used as an excuse to lock-up him up because of known terrorist ties. That would all fit with the hostage/ransom scenario.
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• thavoice

  Makes sense it is the work of the pilot as they waited until they were handed off to another country to be tracked before they turned off and transponder and bolted. That may have given them some extra time an add to the confusion.
  
  Def interesting situation.
• reclegend22

  

  Breaking news on CNN this afternoon: Last satellite ping from plane believed to have come while plane was on land, not in the ocean.
  
  Timeline of Flight 370
  
  12:41 a.m.: Plane departs Kuala Lumpur for Beijing
  
  1:07 a.m: Last transmission from ACARS system (digital system for transmission of short messages between plane and ground stations via satellite or radio
  
  1:19 a.m: Last verbal communication with plane over Chinese sea (confirmed that "All right, goodnight" call came from flight's co-pilot)
  
  1:21 a.m: Transponder stops working
  
  1:30 a.m: Civilian radar loses contact with plane
  
  1:37 a.m. Next ACARS transmission due, but doesn't come in
  
  2:15 a.m. Military radar last detects the plane off Malaysia's west coast (Indian Ocean side)
  
  8:11 a.m. Satellite makes last electronic "handshake" with plane
  
  
  It looks more and more like at least one of the pilots had a hand in this, whatever it is.