Big passenger jet may have gone down

• Ghmothwdwhso

  Did some group rig this Jet, so it could be taken over by remote control? Once in control, rise to 45k feet to disable crew and passengers.
  
  Could have been a test flight to see how it would work out, and then it ultimately crashed in Ocean.
• bases_loaded

  

  Somebody fucking knows
• gut

  reclegend22;1592390 wrote:Data received from the plane's two Rolls Royce engines indicates that the plane did in fact change directions and altitudes several times.
  
  There also isn't any proof that there wasn't anyone actually flying the plane the last 5-6 hours. You seem to be getting confused a lot as well.

  There was an apparent ascent and descent, but the altitudes are imprecise and the hypoxia/depressurization is pure speculation (and it's weak, because you don't need to ascend to over 40k feet from a cruising altitude to depressurize and induce hypoxia). The only verified change in direction I'm aware of is the one to the west.
  
  I'm not confused at all - a quick perusal of several mainstream websites will yield the sparse few facts that have been "verified". You ticked-off a number of "breaking developments" the past few days that didn't even rise to the level of widespread rumor.
  
  I never said there was proof the plane wasn't being piloted for the 5-6 hours. I merely pointed out being in the air for 5-6 hours is not proof of anyone on that plane being alive.
• gut

  shook_17;1592471 wrote:This is just gettin insane. Something fishy is going on. Book it.

  Not much of what we do know adds up. They are saying there's no proof of pilots being involved in some plot. There's no indication they were depressed or suicidal (though often we miss the signs until AFTER we know someone commited suicide). There's been no terrorist chatter. No links, as of yet, to any suspected terrorist/hijacker on the plane.
  
  The apparent dramatic deviations in altitude shortly around the time the comms/transponder went offline are probably indicative of some sort of struggle, or possibly mechanical failure. Speculation the turn could have been an emergency course correction to a nearby airport, but then there's no distress signal (but its unclear if they could have sent one).
  
  In the event of pressure loss, the plane supposedly will automatically descend rapidly to below 10-14k feet (but a pilot could override that). What I've read indicates passengers only have @ 15 minutes of oxygen, and the pilots would have a little more (plus possibly a small reserve tank). At cruising altitude, hypoxia sets in within 30 seconds, but a pilot's ability to respond coherently goes much quicker than that. But assume they got their mask on because of the course correction (they are trained to put the mask on as absolute first priority). And it doesn't make much sense that they wouldn't have been able to make an emergency landing.
  
  But you can't rule out suicide, and hypoxia isn't a bad way to go. Lacking any viable connection to hijacking or terrorism, then process of elimination leaves you with pilot suicide given the plane appeared to be mechanically sound.
• TedSheckler

  

  No one knows anything. It more than likely crashed in the ocean. No conspiracies, just crashed.
• gut

  bases_loaded;1592603 wrote:Somebody fucking knows

  If the plane flew in and out of someone's airspace, then there are a variety of reasons they wouldn't share (Thai just said today they did track it on their radar, confirming the turn Malaysia disclosed several days ago). If the plane went down in China, then it may be a safe bet it is never "found".
  
  If it's in the ocean, it may never be found. It's potentially deep enough that you'd have to troll underwater instruments thousands of feet down within a few miles of it to pick up the signal. Virtually no chance of finding it without a debris trail narrowing the search area.
• SportsAndLady

  

  TedSheckler;1592629 wrote:No one knows anything. It more than likely crashed in the ocean. No conspiracies, just crashed.

  Thanks for your random opinion.
• TedSheckler

  

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• SportsAndLady

  

  TedSheckler;1592632 wrote:I have a big dick. Not an opinion. Fact.
  
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• Manhattan Buckeye

  "But you can't rule out suicide,"
  
  But why wouldn't that happen after take-off, like the EgyptAir flight?
  
  This is really increasingly crazy.
• gut

  Manhattan Buckeye;1592645 wrote:"But you can't rule out suicide,"
  
  But why wouldn't that happen after take-off, like the EgyptAir flight?
  
  This is really increasingly crazy.

  Who's to say how someone commits suicide? They aren't exactly the most rational, especially when deciding to take a bunch of innocent people with them.
  
  If they can't make any credible connections to something more sinister, what other explanation would that leave?
• dlazz

  Manhattan Buckeye;1592645 wrote:"But you can't rule out suicide,"
  
  But why wouldn't that happen after take-off, like the EgyptAir flight?
  

  Umm...the plane took off...
• reclegend22

  

  gut;1592607 wrote:There was an apparent ascent and descent, but the altitudes are imprecise and the hypoxia/depressurization is pure speculation (and it's weak, because you don't need to ascend to over 40k feet from a cruising altitude to depressurize and induce hypoxia). The only verified change in direction I'm aware of is the one to the west.
  
  I'm not confused at all - a quick perusal of several mainstream websites will yield the sparse few facts that have been "verified". You ticked-off a number of "breaking developments" the past few days that didn't even rise to the level of widespread rumor.
  
  I never said there was proof the plane wasn't being piloted for the 5-6 hours. I merely pointed out being in the air for 5-6 hours is not proof of anyone on that plane being alive.

  The plane is confirmed to have purposefully changed course over the south China sea and head west. If a pilot is intending to crash the plane and commit suicide, it is not necessary to change the way points of the flight path in such a specific manner; you just crash it into the ocean. Common sense would indicate that this plane changed direction and shut the communications systems off because it was headed for a particular location as part of a plan.
  
  Your idea that this was all done as some sort of elaborate insurance scam is just as much fantasy as anyone else's theory here. I've heard of people breaking into their own car and stealing their stereo to collect insurance money. Hijacking a jumbo jet with 228 people on board and flying it eight hours to the middle of the ocean to crash land it is something else entirely
• thavoice

  reclegend22;1592687 wrote:The plane is confirmed to have purposefully changed course over the south China sea and head west. If a pilot is intending to crash the plane and commit suicide, it is not necessary to change the way points of the flight path in such a specific manner; you just crash it into the ocean. Common sense would indicate that this plane changed direction and shut the communications systems off because it was headed for a particular location as part of a plan.
  
  Your idea that this was all done as some sort of elaborate insurance scam is just as much fantasy as anyone else's theory here. I've heard of people breaking into their own car and stealing their stereo to collect insurance money. Hijacking a jumbo jet with 228 people on board and flying it to the middle of the ocean to crash land it is something else entirely

  The thing that has me perplexed is that for what I read the pilots didnt ask to be paired together, and it was just the normal rotation.
  
  Something this big like taking a plane to another location and all this stuff doesnt seem like a one person job and both pilots would need to be in on it.
• dlazz

  ITT: People reading too much into pilot error, resulting in them running out of gas and crashing into the ocean.
• reclegend22

  

  thavoice;1592691 wrote:The thing that has me perplexed is that for what I read the pilots didnt ask to be paired together, and it was just the normal rotation.
  
  Something this big like taking a plane to another location and all this stuff doesnt seem like a one person job and both pilots would need to be in on it.

  It's possible that only one of the pilots was involved and the other was killed sometime during the flight. In that scenario, there were probably passengers involved. If the younger pilot was behind it, it would make sense since his was the last voice heard by Malaysian air traffic control, a few minutes prior to the flight transponder being turned off. If the older pilot was the one in on it -- the sophisticated flight simulator in his house might point toward this -- then he easily could have killed the younger pilot as soon as the last contact with control was made.
  
  There are endless possibilities, but right now who in the hell knows.
• thavoice

  reclegend22;1592697 wrote:It's possible that only one of the pilots was involved and the other was killed sometime during the flight. In that scenario, there were probably passengers involved. If the younger pilot was behind it, it would make sense since his was the last voice heard by Malaysian air traffic control, a few minutes prior to the flight transponder being turned off. If the older pilot was the one in on it -- the sophisticated flight simulator in his house might point toward this -- then he easily could have killed the younger pilot as soon as the last contact with control was made.
  
  There are endless possibilities, but right now who in the hell knows.

  Ya would think that a stewardess or whatever the fuck they wanna be called now would have been able to do something to try and contact the tower...who knows.
  
  I believe it is crashed and everyone is dead......just wonder why and where. Still debating if it was originally done to try and land somewhere else and just didnt work out.
  
  
  Maybe it was shot down in someone's airspace and of course they dont want anyone to know. The US shot one down in the late 80's.....
• Mohican00

  

  thavoice;1592702 wrote:The US shot one down in the late 80's.....

  and on 9/11/2001
  
  
• thavoice

  Mohican00;1592708 wrote:and on 9/11/2001
  
  

  Maybe so.
• reclegend22

  

  thavoice;1592702 wrote:Ya would think that a stewardess or whatever the fuck they wanna be called now would have been able to do something to try and contact the tower...who knows.
  
  I believe it is crashed and everyone is dead......just wonder why and where. Still debating if it was originally done to try and land somewhere else and just didnt work out.
  
  
  Maybe it was shot down in someone's airspace and of course they dont want anyone to know. The US shot one down in the late 80's.....

  This is pretty much where I stand with it. I lean on the side that it was flying somewhere specific and either ran out of fuel on the way or hit bad weather and crashed. I still think the plane will be found in the northern corridor of the search area, either in a remote jungle or mountainous region.
  
  There's a reason that investigators have asked all countries in that area to go back and inspect their available radar data again. Some of those regions are very lightly surveilled and there are "dead areas" where aircraft can essentially fly undetected.
  
  Ultimately, nobody here, whether they are airplane experts (like gut) or not, has any clue at all.
• thavoice

  reclegend22;1592713 wrote:This is pretty much where I stand with it. I lean on the side that it was flying somewhere specific and either ran out of fuel on the way or hit bad weather and crashed along the way. I still think the plane will be found in the northern corridor of the search area, either in a remote jungle or mountainous region.
  
  There's a reason that investigators have asked all countries in that area to go back and inspect their available radar again. Some of those regions are very lightly surveilled and there are "dead areas" where aircraft can essentially fly undetected.
  
  Ultimately, nobody here, whether they are airplane experts (like gut) or not, has any clue at all.

  I am sort of an aviation expert. I have seen all the Airplane movies, surely gut has as well. (stop calling me shirley).
  
  but anyways.......I wonder if they did indeed intend on flying and landing elsewhere maybe it ended up being much harder to navigate than they thought without using certain things/systems that would make them more visible to radar.
• se-alum

  

  reclegend22;1592687 wrote:The plane is confirmed to have purposefully changed course over the south China sea and head west. If a pilot is intending to crash the plane and commit suicide, it is not necessary to change the way points of the flight path in such a specific manner; you just crash it into the ocean. Common sense would indicate that this plane changed direction and shut the communications systems off because it was headed for a particular location as part of a plan.
  
  Your idea that this was all done as some sort of elaborate insurance scam is just as much fantasy as anyone else's theory here. I've heard of people breaking into their own car and stealing their stereo to collect insurance money. Hijacking a jumbo jet with 228 people on board and flying it eight hours to the middle of the ocean to crash land it is something else entirely

  Not to mention it would probably take decades, if ever, for someone to actually collect that insurance money.
• se-alum

  

  reclegend22;1592713 wrote:This is pretty much where I stand with it. I lean on the side that it was flying somewhere specific and either ran out of fuel on the way or hit bad weather and crashed. I still think the plane will be found in the northern corridor of the search area, either in a remote jungle or mountainous region.
  
  There's a reason that investigators have asked all countries in that area to go back and inspect their available radar data again. Some of those regions are very lightly surveilled and there are "dead areas" where aircraft can essentially fly undetected.
  
  Ultimately, nobody here, whether they are airplane experts (like gut) or not, has any clue at all.

  I have to believe if one of the pilots was flying it to another destination, running out of fuel seems far fetched. They would know how far they could make it before the fuel ran out.
• Anna-Town

  This is my favorite theory yet ...
  http://mh370shadow.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
  
  It is sitting on a runway in the middle east
• gut

  reclegend22;1592713 wrote: Ultimately, nobody here, whether they are airplane experts (like gut) or not, has any clue at all.

  LOL - please don't confuse someone who doesn't post ignorant bullshit with someone pretending to be an expert....it only takes a minimal amount of google searching not to get sucked in by CNN's typically crap reporting that you apparently took as gospel.
  
  In their defense, it's hard to turn the 6 facts we actually know into several hundred hours of coverage.