Women and Minorities: A Question.

• FatHobbit

  

  Heretic;1397305 wrote:Hell, I imagine most people here have no real idea how any local sports agency determines how officials get picked for postseason

  I assume they pick the officials with the worst vision.
• sleeper

  

  You state that minorities and women get the best assignments, but give no examples or actual proof that they're less-qualified for those assignments.

  You mean like the numerous amounts of people who pull the race card when they don't get jobs? White males can't pull the race card or file discrimination lawsuits since it's impossible to win a court case for that as a white male. Therefore, the data is even more skewed than what it is in reality.
• Gblock

  Raw Dawgin' it;1397272 wrote:Anyone here have family members who date or are married to someone of a different race? I was legit told growing up not to date black women.

  
  whether told or implied it proves my point that racism is alive and well. i see/have seen this a lot. but according to you a person who feels this way at home will be fair/objective when they hire
• Heretic

  

  FatHobbit;1397308 wrote:I assume they pick the officials with the worst vision.

  Then Ernest should be happy. No need to visit an eye doctor to get new glasses this year for him!
• sleeper

  

  Gblock;1397317 wrote:whether told or implied it proves my point that racism is alive and well. i see/have seen this a lot. but according to you a person who feels this way at home will be fair/objective when they hire

  The market will dictate whether that person who makes those decisions is basing his decision on the best candidate or on race. If he keeps picking less talented people because they happen to be white, he will lose out in the long run against his competition that is hiring the best candidate regardless of race. PROTECTED CLASSES ARE BULLSHIT AND DON'T HELP. If anything, they make companies less willing to hire minorities because they are hard to fire without seeing a discrimination lawsuit.
• Gblock

  sleeper;1397320 wrote:The market will dictate whether that person who makes those decisions is basing his decision on the best candidate or on race. If he keeps picking less talented people because they happen to be white, he will lose out in the long run against his competition that is hiring the best candidate regardless of race. PROTECTED CLASSES ARE BULL**** AND DON'T HELP. If anything, they make companies less willing to hire minorities because they are hard to fire without seeing a discrimination lawsuit.

  not always
• sleeper

  

  Gblock;1397327 wrote:not always

  99.9% of the time.
• O-Trap

  

  hasbeen;1397198 wrote:If all things equal between a white prospective employee and a black prospective employee except for personality compatibility, would it not be considered racist for me to choose the one closer to my personality?

  I should hope not. A lack of personality compatibility (or at least an inability to augment the manifestation of such) can create dysfunction within the business, making for a less harmonious business process.
• BoatShoes

  Interesting that this should get published today.
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/study-shows-wealth-gap-between-african-americans-tripled-in-25-years/
• BoatShoes

  Crimson streak;1397256 wrote:You are ridiculous. The fact that you feel blacks should get special treatment because of what happened between your ancestors and my ancestors? This isn't 50 years ago. Blacks have every single resource to be successful and probably more than any other race. If they can't be successful then that's their probably and maybe they should work harder instead of sitting on there ass collecting welfare and government checks.

  Yes...because this is what blacks do! :laugh:
• O-Trap

  

  BoatShoes;1397341 wrote:Interesting that this should get published today.
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/study-shows-wealth-gap-between-african-americans-tripled-in-25-years/

  I don't doubt this, but again, I'd suggest that it is more the result of location than skin color anymore.
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1397343 wrote:Yes...because this is what blacks do! :laugh:

  12% of the country; 40% of the welfare population. :laugh:
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1397341 wrote:Interesting that this should get published today.
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/study-shows-wealth-gap-between-african-americans-tripled-in-25-years/

  Sounds like we need to redistribute the wealth to folks with darker skin. Now only if we had a black president hell bent on wealth redistribution!
• BoatShoes

  Crimson streak;1397258 wrote:Before any one calls me a racist, I have a ton of black friends and coworkers that I get along great with and are great people. The people I have a problem with are the low life scum bags that feel they should be entitled. Whether its black, white, green, blue or orange.

  "Racist" is really a silly term. Bottom line, your epistemology affords you a negative if not condescending view of most blacks (i.e. blacks need to get off the couch and livin off t3h [EMAIL="welf@re"]welf@re[/EMAIL]!!!!) until proven otherwise.
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1397347 wrote:"Racist" is really a silly term. Bottom line, your epistemology affords you a negative if not condescending view of most blacks (i.e. blacks need to get off the couch and livin off t3h welf@re!!!!) until proven otherwise.

  And the only way to move the needle on this is to give blacks more preferential treatment over their white counterpart. Yeah, that really breeds fairness and equality. :laugh:
• FatHobbit

  

  BoatShoes;1397341 wrote:Interesting that this should get published today.
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/study-shows-wealth-gap-between-african-americans-tripled-in-25-years/

  tracked 1,700 working-age households between 1984 and 2009 and concluded that the disparity between white and black families went from $85,000 to $236,500 during that period.

  Can you explain that to me? The white families in the study had $85,000 more in 1984 and now they have $236,500 more? Does that mean in total assets? Is that per person? I must be missing something.
• O-Trap

  

  BoatShoes;1397347 wrote:... epistemology ...

  Used properly. I am compelled to rep this, whether I agree or not.
• Crimson streak

  

  BoatShoes;1397343 wrote:Yes...because this is what blacks do! :laugh:

  
  Not saying all blacks do. Their are plenty of hard working blacks out their and have a lot of respect for them. It's the people that sit on their ass and collect welfare checks because their lazy asses and then cry race.
• Fly4Fun

  

  BoatShoes;1397341 wrote:Interesting that this should get published today.
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/27/study-shows-wealth-gap-between-african-americans-tripled-in-25-years/

  O-Trap;1397344 wrote:I don't doubt this, but again, I'd suggest that it is more the result of location than skin color anymore.

  This, I think the huge increase in the gap is more of a result from the dwindling middle class than anything else.
  
  The have been getting much richer recently (and generally those rich were white to begin with), so with their wealth increasing at a disproportional rate it leads to a statistic that doesn't really tell the whole story.
  
  I would be interested if a similar study that just looked at "middle class" (basically taking out the outliers of extremely rich white folk) would have similar results.
• sleeper

  

  I think it's more telling that blacks have been full equal + preferential treatment for 60 years and still can't close the gap. Might say more about the race of people than we thought. :laugh:
  
  They got Oprah and Obama though! :thumbup:
• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1397345 wrote:12% of the country; 40% of the welfare population. :laugh:

  1. I know where that statistic gets floated around and it's revealing. Perhaps a modern link? 2. "Welfare" has not existed since 1996. 3. the fact that per capita blacks are more on public assistance says nothing about black people per se as the white males ITT demeaning blacks would have you think....it's primarily about geography...i.e. most blacks in the U.S. live in the south still and the south generally relies more on social insurance than the rest of the country.
  
  And, the implication is that blacks who are using social services are slap happy on the dole when the reality is that blacks just want to work and succeed like anyone else and yet despite years of progress they still suffer at greater disproportions than our disaffected white males at the OC.
• BoatShoes

  Crimson streak;1397352 wrote:Not saying all blacks do. Their are plenty of hard working blacks out their and have a lot of respect for them. It's the people that sit on their ass and collect welfare checks because their lazy asses and then cry race.

  Again, like others in this thread, your choice of language that you use without solicitation is quite revealing. Where are all these blacks collecting welfare checks (which doesn't exist anymore) crying race that you've come across??
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1397355 wrote:1. I know where that statistic gets floated around and it's revealing. Perhaps a modern link? 2. "Welfare" has not existed since 1996. 3. the fact that per capita blacks are more on public assistance says nothing about black people per se as the white males ITT demeaning blacks would have you think....it's primarily about geography...i.e. most blacks in the U.S. live in the south still and the south generally relies more on social insurance than the rest of the country.
  
  And, the implication is that blacks who are using social services are slap happy on the dole when the reality is that blacks just want to work and succeed like anyone else and yet despite years of progress they still suffer at greater disproportions than our disaffected white males at the OC.

  So the solution to this problem is to be discriminate against whites by giving black people preferential treatment? How's that working out? LOL
• Gblock

  sleeper;1397354 wrote:I think it's more telling that blacks have been full equal + preferential treatment for 60 years and still can't close the gap. Might say more about the race of people than we thought. :laugh:
  
  They got Oprah and Obama though! :thumbup:

  blacks have been getting equal or preferential treatment since 1953?
• O-Trap

  

  Crimson streak;1397352 wrote:Not saying all blacks do. Their are plenty of hard working blacks out their and have a lot of respect for them. It's the people that sit on their ass and collect welfare checks because their lazy asses and then cry race.

  There are still plenty of white people that do the same. I've listened to local people (and unfortunately even have friends) who view government assistance as a viable option for no purpose other than making the life they can already afford easier. To many of them, it's not for only those who absolutely need it. They, in some cases, have even foregone options for which they could afford to be responsible to instead take advantage of a tax-funded program.
  
  In essence, they don't use it because they need it. They use it because, by hook or by crook, they qualify for it, so they don't understand why they wouldn't?
  
  One couple in particular who is particularly bad about it is a white couple who were both born and raised in corn country Ohio. They had middle-class to upper-middle-class parents who still have great work ethics. The originally moved into the area in order to do volunteer work and have a positive effect on the people in the community. However, it appears more like many in the community have had a negative effect on them than the other way around. Their lives are now comprised of infrequent jobs, many of which only require 20-30 hours a week, and any governmental assistance.
  
  The point being that it seems like even though their skin color didn't change, their community (complete with its ethics and principles) is what changed, and it seemed to make all the difference.