Ohio State at WVU - 1/23
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Hesston
OSU flat out choked, no bench, no legs, why don't we go 10 deep. Start recruiting some studs. -
PrescottThere is a reason that WVU was a preseason top 10 team and a reason the Mountaineers lost to #5 Syracuse by (1) point.Give the Mountaineers some credit for hitting some shots, 10/23 behind the arc, and hitting the boards in the second half.
OSU could have won had some things gone their way, but it was a good effort which will not hurt them in their quest to secure a spot in the NCAA tournament. A win would have been great for their seeding, but this loss won't hurt much in the eyes of the selection committee. -
Gypsy Rose Lee
Feb. 3 . Pitt game at home.dokken wrote: When does the 6'10" stud from Turkey become eligible for WVU? -
eersandbeers
February 3rd against Pitt.dokken wrote: When does the 6'10" stud from Turkey become eligible for WVU?
He was another victim of the anti-student NCAA. -
devil1197
Why don't we go 10 deep?Hesston wrote: OSU flat out choked, no bench, no legs, why don't we go 10 deep. Start recruiting some studs.
Exactly because we recruit studs with NBA potential. Oden, Conley, Cook, Koufus, Mullens and now add Turner.
Matta recruits some of the best players in the country only to see them go pro, you can't force them to stay. -
centralbucksfan
The players leaving for the NBA are not exactly the total reason for this lack of depth. Many expected Oden and Cook to leave. Nobody expected Conley. That is the one, that still comes back to haunt OSU/Matta. Koufos was a surprise and I would say, Mullens a bit as well. Both of those DOLTS, should have stayed and would have been better and more ready for the NBA and not sitting on a bench rotting currently.devil1197 wrote:
Why don't we go 10 deep?Hesston wrote: OSU flat out choked, no bench, no legs, why don't we go 10 deep. Start recruiting some studs.
Exactly because we recruit studs with NBA potential. Oden, Conley, Cook, Koufus, Mullens and now add Turner.
Matta recruits some of the best players in the country only to see them go pro, you can't force them to stay.
Then you add in Crater defection, and recently, the boneheaded move of Offut to leave. No coach EVER plans for this to happen and , cannot "PLAN" recruting around it.
Also add in that Matta is was dealing with NCAA restrictions because of O'Brien as far as the number of scholarships as well.
You can't have it both ways. Many were pissed because O'Brien didn't recruit studs. Now, some are pissed that Matta is recruiting, and getting studs.
As for depth...next year, that won't be an issue. OSU will ONLY lose one player that gets significant time, and thats Turner. Everyone else returns, along with the 5/6 highly regarded recruits that are coming in.
Now Matta will have the luxury of a deep/ versitile bench. -
Eric TaylorOhio State has a horrible bench.
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centralbucksfan
I don't buy that OSU ran out of gas. WVU made their run the first 2/3 minute of the second half. OSU wasn't tired then.Gypsy Rose Lee wrote: Ohio State flat ran out of gas in the 2nd half. Turner is a great player, but played very average in the 2nd half. They simply had no legs. That happens when you have no bench. WVU played 10 guys and their bench outscored OSU 9-0. Bench play and rebounding decided this game.
On top of that, Butler played 40 min as well.
WVU was simply the aggressor coming out at halftime. Give them credit...they are a very good team and IMO, better then OSU. On a nuetral court, this game maybe a tossup.
Anyway, time to move on. Game over. Back to Big Ten and I believe OSU will rebound from this game. -
Eric TaylorWhat happened was Ohio State's lack of a good bench hurt them again.
This will continue to haunt them the rest of the season. -
The ShooterBob Huggins got his players to play harder than Thad Matta's. That's about it. Both are great coaches with pretty good teams. Both will be in the NCAA's. Maybe they'll be a rematch?
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Mulva
Gary Parrish gives the Buckeyes some love.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12828362/buckeyes-press-on-with-a-smile-despite-some-tough-lossesBut I suspect Ohio State is about to get rolling, string five wins and enter a Valentine's Day game at Illinois with a 9-3 Big Ten record. At that point, the Buckeyes will probably be all alone in second in the Big Ten standings, behind only Michigan State. They'll never catch the Spartans, of course, because they're already too far behind. But they're going to spend the next three weeks building a bandwagon for everybody to jump on, and you'd be wise to go ahead and jump on it now. -
thedynasty1998
Wrong again. Everyone knew that Koufos and Mullens were one and dones. Koufos almost chose to play in Europe instead of college.centralbucksfan wrote:
The players leaving for the NBA are not exactly the total reason for this lack of depth. Many expected Oden and Cook to leave. Nobody expected Conley. That is the one, that still comes back to haunt OSU/Matta. Koufos was a surprise and I would say, Mullens a bit as well. Both of those DOLTS, should have stayed and would have been better and more ready for the NBA and not sitting on a bench rotting currently.devil1197 wrote:
Why don't we go 10 deep?Hesston wrote: OSU flat out choked, no bench, no legs, why don't we go 10 deep. Start recruiting some studs.
Exactly because we recruit studs with NBA potential. Oden, Conley, Cook, Koufus, Mullens and now add Turner.
Matta recruits some of the best players in the country only to see them go pro, you can't force them to stay.
Then you add in Crater defection, and recently, the boneheaded move of Offut to leave. No coach EVER plans for this to happen and , cannot "PLAN" recruting around it.
Also add in that Matta is was dealing with NCAA restrictions because of O'Brien as far as the number of scholarships as well.
You can't have it both ways. Many were pissed because O'Brien didn't recruit studs. Now, some are pissed that Matta is recruiting, and getting studs.
As for depth...next year, that won't be an issue. OSU will ONLY lose one player that gets significant time, and thats Turner. Everyone else returns, along with the 5/6 highly regarded recruits that are coming in.
Now Matta will have the luxury of a deep/ versitile bench.
Oden was also widely known to be one and done, as was Cook.
Conley was a surprise, but he wouldn't have been here now anyways, because I think Matta only expected two years from him anyways.
The excuse you use isn't legit. Maybe the transfers are fair, but again, it's because Matta wouldn't use his bench and didn't keep them happy. Sure I blame the kids for not being patient, but you had some guys on the bench who could have played a little. -
Cleveland Buck
The one and dones obviously hurt the depth, but that isn't the only problem. Turner is the best player in the country, but the others just aren't that good. They all do something well, but all have big holes and are inconsistent. I never saw anything out of Offett that said he was any good anyway. If he was good he would have played. Diebler is a catch-and-shoot guy (and is very good at it if he is open). He can't do anything else. Buford is a nice player, but is inconsistent. Lighty is a decent defender and can get to the rim, but he can't finish in traffic and can't make free throws, so that is a waste. He can't shoot outside much either. Simmons, Hill, and Madsen do just about nothing well. Lauderdale is good at defending the basket, but hasn't progressed at all offensively. He seems like he has some talent on offense, so maybe he just isn't being developed. I don't know.
I liked how they attacked the basket against WVU in the second half, but if you can't make free throws, then it is a waste of time. That is the whole point of attacking the rim.
Turner alone can carry the Buckeyes to the tournament, and if everyone does what they do best, they can be an Elite 8 type of team. Turner would have to absolutely go off for this team to go farther than that. -
Big Gain
Yet another ugly mouthed immature teenager who thinks he's a D1 basketball coach. Ignorant fool.I drain 3's wrote:
No, you get Diebler the fuck out of there, put Simmons or PJ Hill at the top, and move Turner to the wing. Or you switch into a different zone, say a 3-2. Or go straight up man a couple possessions. You can't allow a team to get into a rhythm and then just let them keep maintaining that rhythm. You've got to do something to get them out of it.centralbucksfan wrote:
Uh...who exactly was Matta going to put in the game? He has NO bench, period. It is what it is. You want Madsen in the game vs those athletes? LOLI drain 3's wrote:centralbucksfan wrote: BTW, OSU was outrebounded today, 34-23. 12 of those were offensive rebounds. Not sure how many of those resulted in put back buckets, but at the very least, it was half, which accounts for 12pts. Which, was the DIFFERENCE in this game. It wasn't any kind of coaching adjustment! lol Flat out stpid just looking to point the finger at the coach. Clueless.
Would it not to be the coaches job to sub in a player or to put players in different positions in the zone to negate WVU's offensive rebounding? That, good sir, is called an adjustment. Matta didn't make one. And i'm not saying Matta should be fired or anything, but in this particular game, he got out-coached. -
eersandbeersBig Gain wrote:
Yet another ugly mouthed immature teenager who thinks he's a D1 basketball coach. Ignorant fool.I drain 3's wrote: No, you get Diebler the fuck out of there, put Simmons or PJ Hill at the top, and move Turner to the wing. Or you switch into a different zone, say a 3-2. Or go straight up man a couple possessions. You can't allow a team to get into a rhythm and then just let them keep maintaining that rhythm. You've got to do something to get them out of it.
His cussing is somewhat hypocritical because it is the same person who said this........
I drain 3's wrote:UA5straightin2008 wrote:
they wereI drain 3's wrote: One last note, was it just me, or did anyone else think WVU was chanting "Fuck you Turner"?
I've never been one to preach at people about showing class, but that was pretty classless, IMO. -
Big Gain
Ohio State out matched WV at every position??? Are you joking? I'm never sure.ccrunner609 wrote: you pack in a zone and get out boarded. WTF?
Why do you play a zone when you obvioulsy out match them at every position?
Other than Turner's match up, every WV player was taller and quicker and a better shooter, other than Buford for this game only, who had his best shooting game of the season. -
Big Gain
The freaking ignoramus didn't even watch the game.thedynasty1998 wrote: The outrebounded comment about being in a zone is idiotic, but what else would you expect from ccrunner.
However, if just looking at the top 5, OSU could be considered better at every position as a whole. You have Turner, Lighty and Buford who all have the potential to be great defenders because of their length, even though Buford gets lazy at times (that's on coaching). You have Lauderdale who was the biggest guy on the court and is a very good defender, and then you have one position that you might worry about in Diebler. But you have Simmons or Hill in the game, and you have 5 very capable man to man defenders. Then you might be able to cut into the rebounding gap. -
Big Gain
For the dumb ones who didn't watch the game. WV made 10 3-pointers, Ohio State made 6. EIGHT POINTS...game set match.thedynasty1998 wrote: OSU shot 49% for the game, while WVU shot 44%.
OSU was 16-29 in the first half and 8-20 in the second. Yes, they shot well in the first half, but they weren't exactly ice cold in the second and when you shoot 49% from the field, you have to feel good about your offensive performance.
I expected WVU to make a run, because I think they are a very good team.
But coaching has to factor into this loss, and if you refuse to admit that, then you are blind. You shoot 49% from the field and get outscored by 18 in the second half. I know players make plays, but you really got what you expected from each player. -
Big Gain
IDIOTS, the X's and O's WERE NOT the difference in this game. WV played with MUCH MORE INTENSITY on defense in the 2nd half. WV went to the boards MUCH HARDER in the 2nd half. WV played with MUCH MORE CONFIDENCE offensively in the 2nd half. The more man defense Ohio State would have played in this game the larger the winning margin would have been for WV.vball10set wrote: cbf--I love your OSU loyalty,but sometimes I wonder if you really watch the same game a lot of us do...Mad Thatta was outcoached today,and at times(like today),he sticks with players too long who are NOT HELPING the team(Lighty and Diebler in the second half). After all,he IS human!!!
I will give Huggins credit for what was done in the locker room at half time. I'm positive Huggins did much more screaming and debasing with much more colorful terms than Matta. -
Big Gain
You actually think Huggins is such a terrible coach that doesn't have an offence to run against a 1-3-1 zone????? You actually think Huggins is such terrible coach he has not had his team practice against a 1-3-1 zone all year????? You actually think Huggins is such a terrible coach he had to come up with special half time adjustments to use against a normal run of mill 1-3-1 zone????? Matta did counter, when Ohio State when to a man defense WVU and Huggins LOVED to see that. WV could now run the offens they practice 90% of the time, that he build his team for. WV ate Ohio State alive when OSU went to a man defense.CinciX12 wrote:
I like you. In a non-homosexual kinda way of course.I drain 3's wrote:
If you can't realize Matta got outcoached then you're fucking blind. Matta stuck with the same game plan in the second half as he did the first. I wasn't in the locker-room and neither were you, but I can guarantee Huggins is to good of a coach not to make adjustments against that zone. Sure his players stepped up some, but i'm sure that had something to do with the fact that he put them in the proper position to be able to step up. When a coach makes an adjustment against what you're doing, and it's working, you make a counter-adjustment, to stop that. Matta didn't. End of story.centralbucksfan wrote:
LOL...here we go with the Matta got outcoached crap. LOL Clueles.I drain 3's wrote: Thad Matta got out-coached the second half, and you can take that to the bank. How many three's does WVU have to hit before you realize the zone isn't working like it was in the first half? A coach should never just ride it out and hope that they'll start missing their shots again. Mix it up, go man a couple possessions then go back to a zone, and then a different zone if need be. Get them out of their rhythm.
Also, i've never been a "Diebler hater" so to speak, but that guy, IMO, just isn't very good. He's a hell of a shooter, i'll give him that, but oher than that, what does he bring? Average ball handler at best, can't create his own shot, average passer at best, and good lord this kid can't play D for the life of him. It's evident he just doesn't take pride in his defense. Countless times I just watched him stand there on the back side as WVU players were crashing boards. I'm not sure if I saw him box out somebody on the backside this entire game. If you're gonna go zone, get somebody on the wings that can crash. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing PJ Hill or Simmons out at the top and move Turner to one of the wings, and get Diebler the hell out of there. What he brings on the offensive end, which isn't much, doesn't make up for what he lacks on the defensive end.
One last note, was it just me, or did anyone else think WVU was chanting "Fuck you Turner"?
Players play the game. WVU outplayed OSU in the second half, and absolutely dominated the boards. That was the difference. And that wasn't a coaching adjustment. It was a player's adjustment as far as the effort WVU put forth in the second half.
And WVU really chanted 'F you Turner'? Thats pretty far past the line. I mean there are better things to say to him. Like perhaps bringing this up again..
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Big Gain
You are so unknowledgeable you actually think Matta doesn't recruit "studs"????? Matta DOES INDEED recruit "studs" and they leave after 1 year.Hesston wrote: OSU flat out choked, no bench, no legs, why don't we go 10 deep. Start recruiting some studs. -
Big Gain
At home Ohio State beats West Virgina by 10Mulva wrote: Gary Parrish gives the Buckeyes some love.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12828362/buckeyes-press-on-with-a-smile-despite-some-tough-lossesBut I suspect Ohio State is about to get rolling, string five wins and enter a Valentine's Day game at Illinois with a 9-3 Big Ten record. At that point, the Buckeyes will probably be all alone in second in the Big Ten standings, behind only Michigan State. They'll never catch the Spartans, of course, because they're already too far behind. But they're going to spend the next three weeks building a bandwagon for everybody to jump on, and you'd be wise to go ahead and jump on it now. -
thedynasty1998
Wow, Paladin is back. Guess I have someone to put on my ignore list. You are such a loser. No need to even comment.
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vball10set^^^+1...Big Stain-from what I hear,you wouldn't know if a basketball is pumped or stuffed..please leave--nobody likes you :@
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Prescott
I'm confused. If OSU is on DEFENSE why does Diebler have to get get back on DEFENSE and not go for rebounds?PAY ATTENTION.....Turner is Ohio State's best rebounder. Turner played the point in Ohio State's 1-3-1 zone. Turner crashed the boards when a shot was taken. Since the point in the 1-3-1 was crashing the boards a wing(DIEBLER) MUST be assigned the responsibility of getting back on D and NOT going for rebounds.