Ohio State at WVU - 1/23

• centralbucksfan

  Prescott wrote:

  PAY ATTENTION.....Turner is Ohio State's best rebounder. Turner played the point in Ohio State's 1-3-1 zone. Turner crashed the boards when a shot was taken. Since the point in the 1-3-1 was crashing the boards a wing(DIEBLER) MUST be assigned the responsibility of getting back on D and NOT going for rebounds.

  I'm confused. If OSU is on DEFENSE why does Diebler have to get get back on DEFENSE and not go for rebounds?

  Diebler should have some rebounds, no question. But the bigger question is how does Lighty, a bigger, stronger, better athlete then Deibler, who is basically the power forward on the team, not have at ONE rebound? Deibler is everybodies "whipping boy", especially thedynasty...but if your going to blame one, then lets include someone who without question, was worse.
  BTW, another great athlete...Buford totaled 2 whole rebounds!! But wait, he scored 22 so we can let him off the hook, right? Please.....the blame goes around and not one individual is to blame.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Anytime a team loses, there is blame to go around. I'm sure Turner would say there is more he could have done.
  
  But Buford did play well and had 22 points, so he gets off the hook.
  
  There's no excuse for Lighty not having a single rebound, but if I would give one it woud be that he is playing PF and is battling with a bigger and stronger guy for rebounds.
  
  As for Diebler, he does get some of the blame. And he brings it on himself.
  
  
  
  BTW, it's beyong me why anyone even responds to Big Gain.
• vball10set

  IMO,Lighty needs to rebound and play tough defense-or he's no good to the team...Diebler needs to rebound and score-or he's no good to the team...and Lauderdale needs to rebound and block shots-or he's not doing the team any good. I'm not saying that these three need ONLY do these things,but if they're not,the dynamic of the team is affected. ET and WB are the conduit through which the team runs,so they need to be consistent for the Buckeyes to be successful. Again,this is strictly my opinion--GO BUCKS!!!!
• thedynasty1998

  

  I completely agree with your opinion.
• lhs2ndbase

  David Lighty needs a role change and be coming off the bench, and they need to develop some kind of rotation to keep guys fresh. Simmons and Hill are guys that get you hustle plays and can add a spark if you give them a chance, Simmons IMO can contribute more with extended minutes and should be starting. Lauderdale though gives us the best option down low. Next year that wont be so.
• Prescott

  Simmons IMO can contribute more with extended minutes and should be starting.

  What are basing this on. I agree that Matta should use Simmons and Hill more than he does, but in small doses. He could get Turner some rest if he would utilize the TV timeouts to his advantage. Try to get Turner out 1 to 2 minutes before a TV timeout and he would get a 5 minute break
• 0311sdp

  I watched the whole game and I doubt if anything Matta could have done would have made any difference, WV played really well in the 2nd half and to hold them off OSU would have had to shoot like they did the first half which was really unlikely. But even though the Bucks did not match up well man to man, I would have liked to have seen Matta at least change to a different zone and not wait until the whole lead was gone to make any changes, but again he knows his team much better than I do so I'm not complaining that much. As far as depth, there is none, anyone off the bench with the exception of simmons hurts the team, but I as most of you would have liked to see PJ get a few minutes and ET get a couple minutes rest, he was dead the last 5-7 minutes of the game. Lauderdale as big and strong and athletic as he is should get more than 4.4 rebounds per game and must if the Bucks are going to be successful. I agree Leighty needs to do more but remember he is a role player when on a good team (defense) as for Diebler, he does what he can do, when guarded by a quicker superior athlete he is going to struggle to get shots off, Buford although great the first half showed his inconsistancy the 2nd half. This Buckeye team has many flaws and I think it is a credit to the team (their hustle and unselfishness) and Coach Matta that they have had as good of a season as they have had so far. They will win 20+ games a probably get a NCAA bid, that ain't bad for what they have.
• CinciX12

  

  Big Gain wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote: I just wanna throw this out there. Diebler, while scoring a respectable 11 points, had ZERO rebounds, and ZERO assists. You're playing the wing in a zone, you have got to crash the boards. How can you play the majority of a game, and not grab one, single, rebound? Hell, Simmons grabbed a board and i'm betting Diebler played at least 3x as many minutes as him.

  I'll be glad to educate you youngster. Think about it, who is Ohio State's best rebounder? Where was Ohio State's best rebounder playing in the 1-3-1 zone? Where did Ohio State's best rebounder go after a shot was taken? What player in a 1-3-1 zone is USUALLY given the responsibility of being back on defense to keep a player from leaking out and starting a fast break?
  
  PAY ATTENTION.....Turner is Ohio State's best rebounder. Turner played the point in Ohio State's 1-3-1 zone. Turner crashed the boards when a shot was taken. Since the point in the 1-3-1 was crashing the boards a wing(DIEBLER) MUST be assigned the responsibility of getting back on D and NOT going for rebounds.
  
  Assists??? Turner has the ball in his hands the vast majority of the time. Turner shoots, creates or dishes, Turner gets the vast majority of assists. The few times the other players make a pass to an open teammate, if that open player shoots and misses, ZERO ASSISTS.
  
  Dumb teenagers

  Thats a pretty good summary of why OSU won't do much this postseason.
  
  I also don't understand why people stick up for coaches so damn much. Do you think Matta is going to come on here and read it? Maybe that will influence him to quit or something?
  
  PAY ATTENTION...World War 2 is over. Shut the hell up and realize that someone younger than you may just know as much as you, if not infinitely more when it comes to the sport of basketball.
• I drain 3's

  eersandbeers wrote:

  Big Gain wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote: No, you get Diebler the fuck out of there, put Simmons or PJ Hill at the top, and move Turner to the wing. Or you switch into a different zone, say a 3-2. Or go straight up man a couple possessions. You can't allow a team to get into a rhythm and then just let them keep maintaining that rhythm. You've got to do something to get them out of it.

  Yet another ugly mouthed immature teenager who thinks he's a D1 basketball coach. Ignorant fool.

  
  His cussing is somewhat hypocritical because it is the same person who said this........
  
  

  I drain 3's wrote:

  UA5straightin2008 wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote: One last note, was it just me, or did anyone else think WVU was chanting "Fuck you Turner"?

  they were

  
  I've never been one to preach at people about showing class, but that was pretty classless, IMO.

  
  So me saying fuck on a message board is the same as hundreds or thousands of students chanting it at a player for everyone in the arena and everyone watching on national tv to hear? Riiiiiight
• I drain 3's

  Big Gain wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote: I just wanna throw this out there. Diebler, while scoring a respectable 11 points, had ZERO rebounds, and ZERO assists. You're playing the wing in a zone, you have got to crash the boards. How can you play the majority of a game, and not grab one, single, rebound? Hell, Simmons grabbed a board and i'm betting Diebler played at least 3x as many minutes as him.

  I'll be glad to educate you youngster. Think about it, who is Ohio State's best rebounder? Where was Ohio State's best rebounder playing in the 1-3-1 zone? Where did Ohio State's best rebounder go after a shot was taken? What player in a 1-3-1 zone is USUALLY given the responsibility of being back on defense to keep a player from leaking out and starting a fast break?
  
  PAY ATTENTION.....Turner is Ohio State's best rebounder. Turner played the point in Ohio State's 1-3-1 zone. Turner crashed the boards when a shot was taken. Since the point in the 1-3-1 was crashing the boards a wing(DIEBLER) MUST be assigned the responsibility of getting back on D and NOT going for rebounds.
  
  Assists??? Turner has the ball in his hands the vast majority of the time. Turner shoots, creates or dishes, Turner gets the vast majority of assists. The few times the other players make a pass to an open teammate, if that open player shoots and misses, ZERO ASSISTS.
  
  Dumb teenagers

  I'm still waiting for you to educate me, cuz if this was your attempt, you failed miserably. Why in the hell would you have your best rebounder play the point in a 1-3-1 zone, thus putting him as far away from the basket as possible? It would be incredibly stupid to have Diebler never crash and strictly assign him to getting back on D for two reasons. One being that he's horrible on defense and two he's playing the wing in a 1-3-1 zone! When the shot is taken from the side opposite him, he's got backside responsibilities. Are you trying to imply that Matta just simply gave up all backside rebounding so Diebler could get back on D? If so, that's quite possibly the most retarded thing i've ever heard.
  
  Diebler needs to come off the bench. If you're going to play a 1-3-1 zone, put Simmons or PJ at the point, where they would naturally play, and move Turner to the wing where Diebler was, thus putting him in a better rebounding position. Not that hard to understand.
• Azubuike24

  

  Ignore Big Gain. He won't be around long anyway.
• vball10set

  ^^^+1
• thedynasty1998

  

  And I thought I was the only one that couldn't stand him...
• eersandbeers

  I drain 3's wrote:
  
  
  So me saying fuck on a message board is the same as hundreds or thousands of students chanting it at a player for everyone in the arena and everyone watching on national tv to hear? Riiiiiight

  
  So it makes it better when you read it instead of hear it? That doesn't make any sense really.
  
  Yes, it is acceptable for the students to do it also.
• I drain 3's

  How many people do you think read that? Not anywhere close to the amount that heard the WVU students chant it, both in person and on TV. Wonder how many parents took their young children to the game? Also, i'm not representing a College/University. So yes, there is a difference.
• Gypsy Rose Lee

  Ebanks shut Turner down in the 2nd half. Zero FG's. Impressive.
• centralbucksfan

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Big Gain wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote: I just wanna throw this out there. Diebler, while scoring a respectable 11 points, had ZERO rebounds, and ZERO assists. You're playing the wing in a zone, you have got to crash the boards. How can you play the majority of a game, and not grab one, single, rebound? Hell, Simmons grabbed a board and i'm betting Diebler played at least 3x as many minutes as him.

  I'll be glad to educate you youngster. Think about it, who is Ohio State's best rebounder? Where was Ohio State's best rebounder playing in the 1-3-1 zone? Where did Ohio State's best rebounder go after a shot was taken? What player in a 1-3-1 zone is USUALLY given the responsibility of being back on defense to keep a player from leaking out and starting a fast break?
  
  PAY ATTENTION.....Turner is Ohio State's best rebounder. Turner played the point in Ohio State's 1-3-1 zone. Turner crashed the boards when a shot was taken. Since the point in the 1-3-1 was crashing the boards a wing(DIEBLER) MUST be assigned the responsibility of getting back on D and NOT going for rebounds.
  
  Assists??? Turner has the ball in his hands the vast majority of the time. Turner shoots, creates or dishes, Turner gets the vast majority of assists. The few times the other players make a pass to an open teammate, if that open player shoots and misses, ZERO ASSISTS.
  
  Dumb teenagers

  I'm still waiting for you to educate me, cuz if this was your attempt, you failed miserably. Why in the hell would you have your best rebounder play the point in a 1-3-1 zone, thus putting him as far away from the basket as possible? It would be incredibly stupid to have Diebler never crash and strictly assign him to getting back on D for two reasons. One being that he's horrible on defense and two he's playing the wing in a 1-3-1 zone! When the shot is taken from the side opposite him, he's got backside responsibilities. Are you trying to imply that Matta just simply gave up all backside rebounding so Diebler could get back on D? If so, that's quite possibly the most retarded thing i've ever heard.
  
  Diebler needs to come off the bench. If you're going to play a 1-3-1 zone, put Simmons or PJ at the point, where they would naturally play, and move Turner to the wing where Diebler was, thus putting him in a better rebounding position. Not that hard to understand.

  When you play a 1-3-1, the bottom guy, is often flying from corner to corner to trap. Thus, you don't put Turner down there and wear him out. Lighty is the best option.
  Turner on the wing isn't a bad option. Although many coaches like to put their best athlete, with length at the top to take away the passing lanes, along with causing the guards to throw over top of a long player. Thus the reason Turner is at the top on the 1-3-1. No offense, but those are the exact reasons why certain players are where they are.
  If some of you actually think Simmons and Hill are the answer....then the reality is, OSU is in big trouble. Matta isn't going to replace anyone right now, nor should he. Its basketball. Its not a perfect science. Guys don't always play their best each and every game. There is error, always has been, always will be.
  This team is 14-6. Three of those losses were without Turner. With Turner in lineup, this team wins 5 of those 6 games IMO...leaving them at 16-4. I know, I know...woulda coulda shoulda. But some of you are "panicing" when things are actually not so bad. WVU is a top 10 team, who played on their homecourt. This was not a bad loss by any means.
  OSU "should" win their next 5 games, leaving them at 19-6. Then things tough up with the last 6 games. At worst, this team finishes 22-9 IMO.
  0311sdp....well said.
• I drain 3's

  IMO, putting Turner at the top to try and give him a chance to maybe get a steal or make it tough for the opposing guards is not worth giving up the rebounding position. Hell, if he wants to keep his starting five in tact, simply switch Turner and Diebler. Diebler may not be as athletic as Turner, but he's still a bigger body than the guards he'll be going up against. Thus still making it harder on opposing guards and putting Turner in a better position to rebound and giving your team a better chance at grabbing the backside rebound. Plus, with Turner on the wing, the skip pass and blow by that was done to Diebler at least a few times isn't going to work so well. I don't think many people at in "panic mode", but it's frustrating when you lose a game like that that could have easily went the other way.
• thedynasty1998

  

  I strongly agree with you, that Diebler would be much better suited for the top of the zone. I understand why Turner is there and the impact he can make from the top, but I do think it could be more beneficial to have Turner on a wing.
• centralbucksfan

  I drain 3's wrote: IMO, putting Turner at the top to try and give him a chance to maybe get a steal or make it tough for the opposing guards is not worth giving up the rebounding position. Hell, if he wants to keep his starting five in tact, simply switch Turner and Diebler. Diebler may not be as athletic as Turner, but he's still a bigger body than the guards he'll be going up against. Thus still making it harder on opposing guards and putting Turner in a better position to rebound and giving your team a better chance at grabbing the backside rebound. Plus, with Turner on the wing, the skip pass and blow by that was done to Diebler at least a few times isn't going to work so well. I don't think many people at in "panic mode", but it's frustrating when you lose a game like that that could have easily went the other way.

  I can't disagree with that at all. Although, I am sure Matta has his reasons. IMO, its basically the easiest spot to play, thus not wearing the guy down. And, I wouldn't go giving Turner too much credit for defense. He is average at best.
• dokken

  The game came down to runs. WVU's run was just better. In terms of coaching, the only coaching I saw was Huggins screaming at his players and officials (If you call that coaching) That dude may punch someone down the road.
• eersandbeers

  I drain 3's wrote: How many people do you think read that? Not anywhere close to the amount that heard the WVU students chant it, both in person and on TV. Wonder how many parents took their young children to the game? Also, i'm not representing a College/University. So yes, there is a difference.

  
  So your argument is that your classlessness doesn't matter because less people read it? Again, doesn't make any sense.
  
  And I don't care about the children. They will survive hearing a fuck or asshole. Their parents probably use it every other word anyways.
  
  In fact, I think we should start a fuck the children chant.
• vball10set

  ^^okay,douchebag,time for you to leave--and thanks for validating what we already know about West Virginia fans...have a nice life with your inbred family :@
• eersandbeers

  vball10set wrote: ^^okay,douchebag,time for you to leave--and thanks for validating what we already know about West Virginia fans...have a nice life with your inbred family :@

  The only thing worse than your attempt at an unoriginal insult is your ability to recognize when someone is being blatantly facetious. I'm actually embarrassed that you tried to use the "inbred family" insult.
  
  By the way, myself and my whole family are from Ohio. Ohio must be full of a bunch of redneck inbreds who support cussing at kids.
• tiger1990

  dokken wrote: The game came down to runs. WVU's run was just better. In terms of coaching, the only coaching I saw was Huggins screaming at his players and officials (If you call that coaching) That dude may punch someone down the road.

  That's Huggins though. You know that going in as a player, you know that coming in as an official. If you can't handle it, go to Michigan. If you ask Huggins to kiss butts you might as well kill him...