Archive

Who's the Heisman favorite now?

  • killer_ewok
    stlouiedipalma;1338845 wrote:And intense media hype. Johnny Football will be under great pressure next season to repeat.
    He'll take a year off from winning Heisman's and then win again his Jr. year.
  • Classyposter58
    Can't argue this Heisman. Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively, Manziel was one of the best QB's and one of the best rushers this season. Just like Tebow a few years ago
  • vball10set
    killer_ewok;1338871 wrote:He'll take a year off from winning Heisman's and then win again his Jr. year.
    Since he's a redhsirt freshman, he can declare after next year--it's doubtful, but who knows?
  • Rotinaj
    Fly4Fun;1338780 wrote:I knew it would go to Manziel. Should have gone to Klein. Klein gets knocked out of the running because his team loses 1 game in which he was average. Manziel completely cost Texas A&M a game against LSU. He was beyond terrible in that game, 3 int's, nothing on the ground, shitty completion %. And then Texas A&M also lost another game that Manziel was at best average in.

    Oh well, you could see the writting on the wall before tonight.
    So how many defenses did Klein go up against that are even in the same galaxy as UF and Bama? When's the last time there wasn't 500 Big 12 QBs that put up big numbers?
  • Crimson streak
    What I find really funny is last year the big 12 sucks its an offensive league with no no defense and they would get blasted by sec teams. Since now Texas a&m is in the sec there just so great since they lit up bama and other sec teams but yet all the other big 12 teams suck. It's really comical
  • Tiernan
    Johnny Man-zier will not sniff this thing again. His QB coach will bail on him and head to TX Tech and they will easily lose 3 - 4 games the next few years like they usually do.
  • Rotinaj
    Crimson streak;1338922 wrote:What I find really funny is last year the big 12 sucks its an offensive league with no no defense and they would get blasted by sec teams. Since now Texas a&m is in the sec there just so great since they lit up bama and other sec teams but yet all the other big 12 teams suck. It's really comical
    What I find funny is people still try and dispute the fact that the SEC has been superior the last like 8 years.its also been pointed out how poorly A&M did against 2 out of 3 of the good D's they played.
  • Rotinaj
    Also nobody is claiming all the big 12 teams suck but it's and absolute fact that the top SEC defenses are better than what the big 12 has to offer.
  • lhslep134
    Classyposter58;1338873 wrote:Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively
    Can't disagree more. Great season? Yes. One of the greatest? Get out of here with that ignorance.
  • lhslep134
    Rotinaj;1338931 wrote:Also nobody is claiming all the big 12 teams suck but it's and absolute fact that the top SEC defenses are better than what the big 12 has to offer.
    It works both ways.

    Big 12: Great offenses and terrible defenses statistically
    SEC: Great defenses and terrible offenses statistically

    Definitely correlation, but hard to determine causation.
  • dlazz
    karen lotz;1338801 wrote:eh, hardly a meltdown, dlazz (i'm guessing). if LJ and jordo are going to say how great the SEC teams Manziel played well against are, I'm going to show them they are wrong.
    I wasn't around last night, but mad props for thinking I was trolling you from a different username.

    also, LOL Manti.
  • Crimson streak
    Rotinaj;1338931 wrote:Also nobody is claiming all the big 12 teams suck but it's and absolute fact that the top SEC defenses are better than what the big 12 has to offer.

    But yet we heard all last year how Oklahoma st wouldn't be able to score on lsu or bama but yet Texas a&m comes in and does very well against the sec defenses. I just find it extremely funny
  • lhslep134
    Crimson streak;1338960 wrote:But yet we heard all last year how Oklahoma st wouldn't be able to score on lsu or bama but yet Texas a&m comes in and does very well against the sec defenses. I just find it extremely funny
    Good post. I think the SEC defensive rankings are due in part to the pathetic offenses that litter the conference.
  • dlazz
    Classyposter58;1338873 wrote:Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively
    wat
  • Pick6
    Remember at the beginning of the thread when ND fans specifically went out of their way to say they werent saying Teo should win it, just be considered? lol
  • sleeper
    Just the first of two disappointments ND nation will face this season.
  • Automatik
    Congrats to Johnny F, well deserved.

    2 things. Manziel played fine against UF. It was a damn good game. His stats were significantly better than Klein which put him over the top. I'm actually surprised he got 3rd.

    I was expecting Manziel, Klein, Te'o.
  • jordo212000
    Classyposter58;1338873 wrote:Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively,

    Well second best anyway. Shazier had the better year IMO
  • sherm03
    jordo212000;1339056 wrote:Well second best anyway. Shazier had the better year IMO
    No he didn't.
  • Automatik
    jordo212000;1339056 wrote:Well second best anyway. Shazier had the better year IMO
    Stop it.
  • jordo212000
    Automatik;1339069 wrote:Stop it.

    Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two
  • Tiernan
    Stay on 'em Jordo...true OSU fans are hangin with ya.
  • sherm03
    jordo212000;1339071 wrote:Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two
    Don't forget about solo tackles. Manti had more. Shazier's total tackle number was inflated because he had 70 assisted tackles. That tells me that he was just a pile on guy. So you have to take his total number with a grain of salt.

    Just another reason why you can't strictly go off of numbers when deciding the Heisman.
  • Automatik
    jordo212000;1339071 wrote:Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two
    Te'o lost.

    I'm just over this argument. It's been beaten to death.
  • karen lotz
    jordo212000;1339071 wrote:Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two

    lol