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• stroups

  

  lhslep134;805849 wrote:No, calling him St. Tressel. I'll never call someone else's opinion stirring the pot. But calling him St. Tressel is.

  
  To be fair everybody referred to rich rodriguez as dickrod
• lhslep134

  

  stroups;805861 wrote:To be fair everybody referred to rich rodriguez as ****rod

  
  That's different. Technically his name can be shortened to Dick like a lot of people do.
• karen lotz

  

  lhslep134;805854 wrote:You don't know what really happened at YSU. Ask Ray Isaac, he was quoted a few weeks ago as saying he was sure that Tressel had NO IDEA about his illegal dealings with Monus.
  
  It's getting really freaking annoying all of these people bringing up YSU when they have no clue what really happened. Funny how between the university Pres, the AD, Tressel, and Monus, Tressel was the only one to not get in trouble. Hm....
  
  If you would like to know what really happened at YSU, feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to tell you. My father and some of his associates did legitimate business with Monus and I can enlighten you as to Tressel's innocence.

  Similar to how Clarett recently said Tressel knew nothing of his improper benefits.
• jhay78

  

  lhslep134;805854 wrote:You don't know what really happened at YSU. Ask Ray Isaac, he was quoted a few weeks ago as saying he was sure that Tressel had NO IDEA about his illegal dealings with Monus.
  
  It's getting really freaking annoying all of these people bringing up YSU when they have no clue what really happened. Funny how between the university Pres, the AD, Tressel, and Monus, Tressel was the only one to not get in trouble. Hm....
  
  If you would like to know what really happened at YSU, feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to tell you. My father and some of his associates did legitimate business with Monus and I can enlighten you as to Tressel's innocence.

  
  Yeah, but the narrative that Tressel is a fraud and a hypocrite is just too good to let go!
  
  That narrative goes something like: Ray Isaac + Maurice Clarett + Troy Smith + Terelle Pryor = Jim Tressel is a liar, fraud, hypocrite, and just as greasy as your average SEC coach.
  
  Ray Isaac: I think lhslep explained that one pretty well
  MoC: no doubt was on the take, maybe got special treatment from JT compared to how he disciplined other players, but exaggerated his claims about JT's involvement with improper benefits. Suspended for one year, left OSU, ended up in prison.
  Troy Smith: took money from a booster, suspended for two games.
  
  With regards to TP, lying/withholding info from the NCAA was Jim Tressel's biggest gaffe yet. But it doesn't automatically make him a fraud and a hypocrite.
• FatHobbit

  

  jhay78;805878 wrote:Yeah, but the narrative that Tressel is a fraud and a hypocrite is just too good to let go!
  
  That narrative goes something like: Ray Isaac + Maurice Clarett + Troy Smith + Terelle Pryor = Jim Tressel is a liar, fraud, hypocrite, and just as greasy as your average SEC coach.
  
  Ray Isaac: I think lhslep explained that one pretty well
  MoC: no doubt was on the take, maybe got special treatment from JT compared to how he disciplined other players, but exaggerated his claims about JT's involvement with improper benefits. Suspended for one year, left OSU, ended up in prison.
  Troy Smith: took money from a booster, suspended for two games.
  
  With regards to TP, lying/withholding info from the NCAA was Jim Tressel's biggest gaffe yet. But it doesn't automatically make him a fraud and a hypocrite.

  
  I agree with all that and I really really want to believe it too. (I still do believe it, but I doubt my ability to be unbiased on this subject, so...) But I do think it's understandable why fans of other programs don't feel the same, and I would certainly question it if this were going on at another program.
• WebFire

  lhslep134;805849 wrote:No, calling him St. Tressel. I'll never call someone else's opinion stirring the pot. But calling him St. Tressel is.

  
  The only reason I called him that was because of your view of him. It's not like I called him a bad name. Don't be so sensitive.
• salemfreak

  this is only the start i think for ohio state. more will follow. im just suprised the other kid went to michigan. kinda went the whole other direction didnt he
• vball10set

  salemfreak;805927 wrote:this is only the start i think for ohio state. more will follow. im just suprised the other kid went to michigan. kinda went the whole other direction didnt he

  
  good god, man--edumicated much?
• lhslep134

  

  WebFire;805912 wrote:The only reason I called him that was because of your view of him. It's not like I called him a bad name. Don't be so sensitive.

  
  My view of him is that he lied to the NCAA and that he paid the price for it.
  
  My view of him is also that he was innocent at YSU, which I will gladly back up. If somewhere in those 2 statements you find it amusing enough to call him St., be my guest, and I'll continue to call you a pot stirrer.
• WebFire

  lhslep134;805947 wrote:My view of him is that he lied to the NCAA and that he paid the price for it.
  
  My view of him is also that he was innocent at YSU, which I will gladly back up. If somewhere in those 2 statements you find it amusing enough to call him St., be my guest, and I'll continue to call you a pot stirrer.

  
  Get your posts straight if you're going to act like this. I said nothing nor commented on YSU. I believe I commented on this...
  

  False. Oversigning by itself is more morally corrupt than anything Tressel did.

  And this...
  

  Anyways, he probably wouldn't be there very long. Tressel takes great pride in his relationship with his players and their parents to the point of fault (see his undying love for Pryor), and I truthfully feel he isn't capable of lying to a parent about their chances of succeeding in an oversigning environment.

  St. Tressel it is.
• lhslep134

  

  So having a close personal relationship with players and their parents makes him a saint? Geez no wonder Michigan has such low expectations in a coach.
• enigmaax

  jhay78;805878 wrote:That narrative goes something like: Ray Isaac + Maurice Clarett + Troy Smith + Terelle Pryor = Jim Tressel is a liar, fraud, hypocrite, and just as greasy as your average SEC coach.

  
  I think the famous line (quoted here several times) is, "where there's smoke there's fire." That is a lot of smoke. Just sayin'
• WebFire

  lhslep134;806010 wrote:So having a close personal relationship with players and their parents makes him a saint? Geez no wonder Michigan has such low expectations in a coach.

  
  Or maybe the part about him not being capable of lying. :rolleyes:
• tcarrier32

  

  WebFire;806150 wrote:Or maybe the part about him not being capable of lying. :rolleyes:

  
  if you're going to be a dickhead and stir the pot, the least you can do is accurately quote the man. he said that Tressel wasn't capable of lying to the parents of the kids he was recruiting (referring to over signing in the SEC), not that he couldnt lie at all. I swear, its like you kids can't get over the fact that the same shit that happens at every school in the country also happens at OSU. Welcome to the 21st century sir, enjoy your stay and try not to get your mind blown.
• WebFire

  tcarrier32;806162 wrote:if you're going to be a dickhead and stir the pot, the least you can do is accurately quote the man. he said that Tressel wasn't capable of lying to the parents of the kids he was recruiting (referring to over signing in the SEC), not that he couldnt lie at all. I swear, its like you kids can't get over the fact that the same shit that happens at every school in the country also happens at OSU. Welcome to the 21st century sir, enjoy your stay and try not to get your mind blown.

  
  Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said it doesn't happen anywhere else. That has been discussed here hundreds of times. If Tressel was coaching LSU or Alabama, I bet he would be doing the same thing. Save me the bullshit that he isn't capable of lying.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  enigmaax;806059 wrote:I think the famous line (quoted here several times) is, "where there's smoke there's fire." That is a lot of smoke. Just sayin'

  
  And a lot of that smoke has been based on less than credible and/or anonymous sources.
  
  Just sayin'
  
  I have no problem with OSU getting punished by the NCAA for infractions that can be proven...and I would hope the NCAA has a much higher standard for that than "smoke".
  
  Just sayin'
• lhslep134

  

  WebFire;806196 wrote:Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said it doesn't happen anywhere else. That has been discussed here hundreds of times. If Tressel was coaching LSU or Alabama, I bet he would be doing the same thing. Save me the bull**** that he isn't capable of lying.

  
  Well considering he doesn't coach there (in the SEC), and I've met quite a few Buckeye player's parents at the Rose and Sugar Bowls and they all RAVE about Tressel's character (at least that's what we talked about this year at Sugar Bowl, not so much at Rose), I'd say that I'd value their words over the speculative BS you're spewing right now. You're wrong, and you just want to be right because of how terrible Michigan is and you're looking for ANY reason to feel better. Quite funny.
  
  And it's also pathetic it got to the point that I had to bring Michigan into this. You're incapable of thinking objectively because you're letting your bias cloud your judgement. I know what Tressel did, I know what he did wrong. I also know how great of a f**king man he is and it's knuckleheads like you that try and tear him down with only the small small amount of knowledge you glean from the certainly one-sided media.
• lhslep134

  

  Writerbuckeye;806200 wrote:
  I have no problem with OSU getting punished by the NCAA for infractions that can be proven...and I would hope the NCAA has a much higher standard for that than "smoke".
  
  Just sayin'

  +1
• enigmaax

  Writerbuckeye;806200 wrote:And a lot of that smoke has been based on less than credible and/or anonymous sources.
  
  Just sayin'
  
  I have no problem with OSU getting punished by the NCAA for infractions that can be proven...and I would hope the NCAA has a much higher standard for that than "smoke".
  
  Just sayin'

  
  Not talking about what the NCAA does or doesn't do. Talking about the fact that everyone outside of Columbus has known for years that Tressel wasn't the saint that you guys thought. There really isn't a need to prove anything else about the guy at this point. He was just like everyone else and it finally bit him.
  
  It is funny that someone who has done prison time can't be a credible source, but you still want to believe that the lie that cost Tressel his job is the only lie he's ever told. He is a liar, pure and simple, so there's plenty of credibility in the opinion that if he lied this time, he lied all those other times.
  
  As for what the NCAA does, I completely agree with you. It should not be based on the numerous "reports" unless they continue(d) their own investigation and substantiated the claims.
• jhay78

  

  enigmaax;806221 wrote:Not talking about what the NCAA does or doesn't do. Talking about the fact that everyone outside of Columbus has known for years that Tressel wasn't the saint that you guys thought. There really isn't a need to prove anything else about the guy at this point. He was just like everyone else and it finally bit him.
  
  It is funny that someone who has done prison time can't be a credible source, but you still want to believe that the lie that cost Tressel his job is the only lie he's ever told. He is a liar, pure and simple, so there's plenty of credibility in the opinion that if he lied this time, he lied all those other times.
  
  As for what the NCAA does, I completely agree with you. It should not be based on the numerous "reports" unless they continue(d) their own investigation and substantiated the claims.

  1. Lying to the NCAA does not disqualify one from sainthood.
  
  2. Getting caught in a lie does not make one a habitual, compulsive liar.
• enigmaax

  jhay78;806241 wrote:1. Lying to the NCAA does not disqualify one from sainthood.
  
  2. Getting caught in a lie does not make one a habitual, compulsive liar.

  
  1. Okay.
  2. Neither does being in prison.
• WebFire

  lhslep134;806202 wrote:Well considering he doesn't coach there (in the SEC), and I've met quite a few Buckeye player's parents at the Rose and Sugar Bowls and they all RAVE about Tressel's character (at least that's what we talked about this year at Sugar Bowl, not so much at Rose), I'd say that I'd value their words over the speculative BS you're spewing right now. You're wrong, and you just want to be right because of how terrible Michigan is and you're looking for ANY reason to feel better. Quite funny.
  
  And it's also pathetic it got to the point that I had to bring Michigan into this. You're incapable of thinking objectively because you're letting your bias cloud your judgement. I know what Tressel did, I know what he did wrong. I also know how great of a f**king man he is and it's knuckleheads like you that try and tear him down with only the small small amount of knowledge you glean from the certainly one-sided media.

  
  And there it is. I knew it all along. Pathetic you can't have a discussion with a Michigan fan. Others here seem to do it just fine.
• dave

  I love when people act like they know who Jim Tressel really is.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  lhslep134;805859 wrote:Look high end college athletes are going to get money slipped to them at some point. Some take it, some say no thanks. The problem with the SEC is that it's known about and it's made okay (see the shitstorm that's going to unfurl at Auburn).

  
  So Tressel didn't know for almost a year? That much has been proven, we can only assume how much he may have known. He didn't exactly punish them....at all. How is that not making it okay?
  
  I completely agree that there will be NCAA violations everywhere. But Ohio State's conduct and response to those violations as a program has been similar to the SEC. Hell, even Auburn went ahead and said Cam Newton was ineligible for a bit before the NCAA cleared him.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  enigmaax;806243 wrote:1. Okay.
  2. Neither does being in prison.

  
  You're parsing and missing my point completely. If you are going to make serious public allegations against the character of people, you should have a clean reputation yourself or some corroborating proof that goes beyond the word of a convicted criminal.