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  • lhslep134
    rmolin73;805364 wrote: But once again what Tressel did is morally wrong as well, you can tell yourself all day everyday that it isn't but he lost his job because of it.

    Where did I say what Tressel did isn't morally wrong? Please please show me. Otherwise, get a clue dude.
  • lhslep134
    WebFire;805366 wrote:But as long as the rules allow it, what choice do they have? If St. Tressel coached in the SEC, he would have to do the same. Or not be there very long.


    If you want to be taken seriously, why do you even stir the pot?

    Anyways, he probably wouldn't be there very long. Tressel takes great pride in his relationship with his players and their parents to the point of fault (see his undying love for Pryor), and I truthfully feel he isn't capable of lying to a parent about their chances of succeeding in an oversigning environment.

    Also, if you read my original post I wasn't talking about anything from the NCAA viewpoint on legality, I was speaking on behalf of morality.
  • rmolin73
    Oh I'm sorry what Tressel "Patron Saint of Liars" did was not as morally wrong as oversigning. Now breath it will be ok.
  • se-alum
    WebFire;805366 wrote:But as long as the rules allow it, what choice do they have? If St. Tressel coached in the SEC, he would have to do the same. Or not be there very long.
    They have the choice not to do it. Florida won 2 NC's w/o oversigning.
  • centralbucksfan
    vball10set;804989 wrote:I never saw this coming from you, cbf...smh

    Sorry pal. I live in the real world. If you don't think OSU isn't going to be hurt by whats going on...you are living in utopia. If you have a free ticket to your wonderful world...shoot it my way. ;)
  • centralbucksfan
    SportsAndLady;805172 wrote:cbf thinks the sky is falling, no one listen to him.

    The sky is not falling. But again, I live in reality. Not the bullshit world you live in. Thank God.

    The worst part of this right now, is the UNKNOWN. People think this is going to be over in early August. I don't think it will. It could drag on longer. We also have an "interim" coach. Yes, players want to come to OSU. But if they are split, and a coach comes in they like...which way are they going to lean? Who wants to come to a place right now where you may not:
    1. Play in a bowl for at least 1 year.
    2. Know how the coach is going be a year from now.

    I'd rather be pessimistic right now with hopes that things wont' turn out to be as bad as I think than living in a BS world, then OSU gets hammered. I am preparing for the worst.
  • thedynasty1998
    Are we really trying to justify Tressel by oversigning? Kids that go play at schools like Alabama know what the reality is. I don't feel bad for them.
  • rmolin73
    thedynasty1998 it's just another ploy to justify or make Tressels actions to seem not as severe.
  • ksig489
    lhslep134;805386 wrote:and I truthfully feel he isn't capable of lying to a parent about their chances of succeeding in an oversigning environment.


    WOW...if you havent figured out yet that Tressel is as corrupt as it gets and is capable of ANYTHING...you are either blind, clueless, or drinking the Kool-ade.
  • WebFire
    lhslep134;805386 wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, why do you even stir the pot?

    Anyways, he probably wouldn't be there very long. Tressel takes great pride in his relationship with his players and their parents to the point of fault (see his undying love for Pryor), and I truthfully feel he isn't capable of lying to a parent about their chances of succeeding in an oversigning environment.

    Also, if you read my original post I wasn't talking about anything from the NCAA viewpoint on legality, I was speaking on behalf of morality.

    How am I stirring the pot? Because I have a different view than you?

    My point is that these coaches have no choice. They have to play the game if they are going to survive. Blame the rule, not the coaches.

    And your BS about Tressel and lying is laughable.
  • centralbucksfan
    ksig489;805417 wrote:WOW...if you havent figured out yet that Tressel is as corrupt as it gets and is capable of ANYTHING...you are either blind, clueless, or drinking the Kool-ade.

    I think your exaggerating a bit here. Corrupt IMO is flat out cheating in purpose. Paying recruits, getting agents involved, etc, etc. IMO, Tressel didn't intentionally cheat to get an advantage on the field. Yes, he turned a cheek the other way. Yes, he lacked discipline. I happen to believe Tressel is who he is and who we saw in TV. I believe he is a good man...to a FAULT. I believe his heart is too soft . He thinks he can save every kid. He doesn't want to see his players go through what they are going through right now. Was it cheating? Yes it was. Was he corrupt? That I don't believe.
  • dwccrew
    centralbucksfan;805452 wrote:I think your exaggerating a bit here. Corrupt IMO is flat out cheating in purpose. Paying recruits, getting agents involved, etc, etc. IMO, Tressel didn't intentionally cheat to get an advantage on the field. Yes, he turned a cheek the other way. Yes, he lacked discipline. I happen to believe Tressel is who he is and who we saw in TV. I believe he is a good man...to a FAULT. I believe his heart is too soft . He thinks he can save every kid. He doesn't want to see his players go through what they are going through right now. Was it cheating? Yes it was. Was he corrupt? That I don't believe.

    Come on man, I'm an Ohio State fan and even I think Tressel was corrupt. He knew about all this and knowingly withheld the information. That is deliberate and intentional. Factor that in with the trouble he had at YSU and we see a pattern of corruption develop.

    What Tressel was really good at was convincing the public that he was this guy who didn't know what was going on and was just trying to protect his players. No, he knew and withheld the info. intentionally. Let's call a spade a spade here.
  • Writerbuckeye
    WebFire;805431 wrote:How am I stirring the pot? Because I have a different view than you?

    My point is that these coaches have no choice. They have to play the game if they are going to survive. Blame the rule, not the coaches.

    And your BS about Tressel and lying is laughable.

    If you're talking about oversigning in the SEC, about half the coaches don't do it, despite being able to do so. The biggest offenders are Alabama, LSU, Auburn and a few others. But Georgia, Florida and a couple others have stood up against it because they know it's simply morally wrong to play kids that way.

    So yes, they DO have a choice. They also have a choice to force their league to drop the policy altogether and put a hard limit in place, like most of the rest of the country's conferences have done.

    So your BS about the coaches not having a choice is laughable.
  • WebFire
    Writerbuckeye;805480 wrote:If you're talking about oversigning in the SEC, about half the coaches don't do it, despite being able to do so. The biggest offenders are Alabama, LSU, Auburn and a few others. But Georgia, Florida and a couple others have stood up against it because they know it's simply morally wrong to play kids that way.

    So yes, they DO have a choice. They also have a choice to force their league to drop the policy altogether and put a hard limit in place, like most of the rest of the country's conferences have done.

    So your BS about the coaches not having a choice is laughable.

    Sure they have a choice. With Florida being the exception, the ones that don't aren't in the top 5 in the SEC. So I guess you have a choice if you don't want to win.

    And I am against oversigning. And I believe the SEC did change the rules, did they not?
  • queencitybuckeye
    rmolin73;805388 wrote:Oh I'm sorry what Tressel "Patron Saint of Liars" did was not as morally wrong as oversigning. Now breath it will be ok.

    Morally wrong is binary. Something is or it is not.
  • Writerbuckeye
    Preface: I am not defending Tressel's lie. He absolutely broke the rules and he's paid the price.

    That said, to call someone "the patron saint of liars" because of ONE lie in what has been, otherwise, a pretty exemplary career is hilariously biased.

    Just admit you've wanted Tressel gone (probably because he's beaten your team) and let it go. The hyperbole isn't necessary.
  • centralbucksfan
    dwccrew;805473 wrote:Come on man, I'm an Ohio State fan and even I think Tressel was corrupt. He knew about all this and knowingly withheld the information. That is deliberate and intentional. Factor that in with the trouble he had at YSU and we see a pattern of corruption develop.

    What Tressel was really good at was convincing the public that he was this guy who didn't know what was going on and was just trying to protect his players. No, he knew and withheld the info. intentionally. Let's call a spade a spade here.
    We can agree to disagree. I think corrupt is too strong. We all know what he did. He turned the cheek, no question. But again, it wasn't like he was the one directly setting the players up to do these things. I know in a way, its all relative. But I view things differently as far as cheating goes. None is right. But there are different levels. And again, I do feel Tressels issue is that he thought he could save every kid and protected them to a fault. As Writer..I am not defending him either. I feel he should have resigned as he did. No question about that.
  • vball10set
    centralbucksfan;805403 wrote:Sorry pal. I live in the real world. If you don't think OSU isn't going to be hurt by whats going on...you are living in utopia. If you have a free ticket to your wonderful world...shoot it my way. ;)

    I don't doubt for a minute that OSU will be affected by what's going on, and I never said anything to the contrary...I was just commenting how quickly you went from "half full" to "half empty", that's all.
  • sleeper
    rmolin73;805277 wrote:Which is not the premier conference nor is OSU the premier school in the country especially comparing them to the SEC schools.

    Yeah, and a bear doesn't shit in the woods.
  • sleeper
    ksig489;805417 wrote:WOW...if you havent figured out yet that Tressel is as corrupt as it gets and is capable of ANYTHING...you are either blind, clueless, or drinking the Kool-ade.

    One "lie" makes a man corrupt?

    Get a life.
  • dwccrew
    centralbucksfan;805547 wrote:We can agree to disagree. I think corrupt is too strong. We all know what he did. He turned the cheek, no question. But again, it wasn't like he was the one directly setting the players up to do these things. I know in a way, its all relative. But I view things differently as far as cheating goes. None is right. But there are different levels. And again, I do feel Tressels issue is that he thought he could save every kid and protected them to a fault. As Writer..I am not defending him either. I feel he should have resigned as he did. No question about that.

    Fair enough.
  • Tobias Fünke
    lhslep134;805347 wrote:False.

    Everything taken into account, it's pretty similar. Ohio State players get cash, as do SEC players. If you're going to use unproven-but-probably-true stories in the SEC, then you've also got to count guys like Santonio Holmes taking money from an unspecified agent. Ohio State and the SEC are not that far apart.
  • lhslep134
    WebFire;805431 wrote:How am I stirring the pot? Because I have a different view than you?


    No, calling him St. Tressel. I'll never call someone else's opinion stirring the pot. But calling him St. Tressel is.
  • lhslep134
    dwccrew;805473 wrote: Factor that in with the trouble he had at YSU and we see a pattern of corruption develop.
    .


    You don't know what really happened at YSU. Ask Ray Isaac, he was quoted a few weeks ago as saying he was sure that Tressel had NO IDEA about his illegal dealings with Monus.

    It's getting really freaking annoying all of these people bringing up YSU when they have no clue what really happened. Funny how between the university Pres, the AD, Tressel, and Monus, Tressel was the only one to not get in trouble. Hm....

    If you would like to know what really happened at YSU, feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to tell you. My father and some of his associates did legitimate business with Monus and I can enlighten you as to Tressel's innocence.
  • lhslep134
    Tobias Fünke;805754 wrote:Everything taken into account, it's pretty similar. Ohio State players get cash, as do SEC players. If you're going to use unproven-but-probably-true stories in the SEC, then you've also got to count guys like Santonio Holmes taking money from an unspecified agent. Ohio State and the SEC are not that far apart.

    Look high end college athletes are going to get money slipped to them at some point. Some take it, some say no thanks. The problem with the SEC is that it's known about and it's made okay (see the shitstorm that's going to unfurl at Auburn).


    Edit: when the heck did justin institute a swear filter?