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NCAA Defines OSU Misconduct/ Tressel Emails Released

  • Tobias Fünke
    SportsAndLady;750828 wrote:B) After your school had a kid die on their behalf, I don't think ND fans should be throwing stones at the moment.

    Considering I'm an Ohio State student, I want players and coaches with character representing this great university. If the players had even a modicum of sense no one would be in this situation. Stop recruiting the jackasses like Pryor and stop doing "whatever it takes to win," and run a program the right way. Ohio State deserves better.

    And when did I say you said he should go unpunished?
  • SportsAndLady
    Tobias Fünke;750765 wrote: Just because some, or even most, in college football are dirty doesn't make it right or that is should go unpunished.

    Right there
  • SportsAndLady
    And if you want to watch sports with character, go watch golf. This is the way college football is now a days...these guys make no money playing a game that makes other people MILLIONS of dollars...don't tell me you wouldn't sell your shit for a couple G's if you were in that position.
  • stlouiedipalma
    enigmaax;750623 wrote:I agree with your premise, I just don't agree that 1) the mindset is limited to the media or 2) Tressel is being treated any differently.

    There are many types of oversaturation that drive both media and "regular" people to wait for that moment of shame (another post mentioned Tim Tebow - stop and think for a moment about the past expressions from non-Florida fans regarding Tebow on this board alone) because it'd make us all feel a little better to know someone who has it all isn't perfect.

    Tressel goofed and so he's getting the treatment. You've brought up the Alamo Bowl before and at that time, yeah, it was the same situation. People thought he goofed so he got the treatment. That is what happens when you put yourself on a pedestal (which Tressel did with the books, whether that was the intent or not). One minor detail in this situation is that it isn't just the media and non-OSU fans who are all over Tressel for this. He's lost a lot of support from OSU fans, as well, which is quite telling as to how serious those folks took his image and his word.

    But hey, whatever happens, you know what the media loves better than a self-destruction story? A comeback story. Give him a few years and he'll be back on top writing books about redemption.


    I think that ESPN is leading this media onslaught against JT and TOSU. Here's a link to their latest polling questions. I can honestly say I've never seen anything like it in all my years on this planet.

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/6429785/is-end-approaching-jim-tressel
  • karen lotz
    I agree, ESPN is out to get Jim Tressel.
  • jordo212000
    I agree, ESPN is out to get Jim Tressel.
    Don't hide information from the NCAA. Don't write a book about doing "the right thing" and get busted doing something very wrong. Don't lie when you are caught, only to follow the original lie with additional lies and inconsistencies.

    You would think that public figures would know by now the best way to handle things. Own it, admit you were wrong, tell the truth, and say you are sorry. The media is much nicer when you do that.
  • karen lotz
    jordo my post was 100% sarcasm.
  • jordo212000
    jordo my post was 100% sarcasm.
    Ahh gotcha. I'm an Ohio State fan, but I hate when some people completely ignore the fact that major infractions occurred. And instead want to talk about how the NCAA / media is out to get us. It is a joke
  • Tobias Fünke
    SportsAndLady;750910 wrote:Right there

    Not quite. In the paragraph I mentioned the slip on the wrist. But it's moot because...
    SportsAndLady;750911 wrote:And if you want to watch sports with character, go watch golf. This is the way college football is now a days...these guys make no money playing a game that makes other people MILLIONS of dollars...don't tell me you wouldn't sell your shit for a couple G's if you were in that position.

    ...this is a fucking joke. Honestly it's pretty gross that this mindset is out there.
  • thedynasty1998
    SportsAndLady;750911 wrote:And if you want to watch sports with character, go watch golf. This is the way college football is now a days...these guys make no money playing a game that makes other people MILLIONS of dollars...don't tell me you wouldn't sell your shit for a couple G's if you were in that position.

    Keep up with the conversation. We are talking about Tressel's actions.
  • bo shemmy3337
    Tobias Fünke;751051 wrote:Not quite. In the paragraph I mentioned the slip on the wrist. But it's moot because...



    ...this is a fucking joke. Honestly it's pretty gross that this mindset is out there.

    HAHA OSU never does any wrong in some people's eyes. Any no everyone is not doing this.
  • queencitybuckeye
    karen lotz;750957 wrote:jordo my post was 100% sarcasm.

    Obviously what happened should not have happened and should never happen. However, if you believe they would have treated any coach at any school the exact same way, you are delusional.
  • ksig489
    The only delusional people are the OSU fans who think their school is being picked on. The same questions and polls were on ESPN when Rodriguez was in trouble. Similar polls on there about Cam Newton, same type of polls about USC, same type of polls about Dez Bryant.

    Its funny that OSU fans think the rest of the country hates them because they win all the time...not true at all. The rest of the country hates OSU fans due to their extreme arrogance, the dirty play of the team, the players constantly taunting and running their mouths, the holier than thou attitude of their head coach (who has now proven to be a fraud), and just about every other thing they do...the least of all winning games.

    THEY LATE HIT THEIR OWN QB IN THEIR SPRING GAME FOR GOD'S SAKE!

    But...the standard response to this will follow..."You're just jealous because we win games." or "You just hate us because you ain't us." or "The players don't act that way because Saint Tressell doesn't stand for that." (even though we now know exactly what he stands for)

    Watching OSU is like watching the Miami Hurricanes back in the day. A bunch of mouthy, undisciplined thugs with a coach who doesn't care about anything but winning.



    No one is picking on OSU...they are reporting the facts of the situation. If they were picking on them, they would have been writing speculative stories even during the downtime of the investigation. Instead, they are writing stories to report what has happened as the story unfolds and asking the nation what they think about it (which has become a core element of ESPN.com).
  • enigmaax
    queencitybuckeye;751314 wrote:Obviously what happened should not have happened and should never happen. However, if you believe they would have treated any coach at any school the exact same way, you are delusional.

    I guess I just don't get what is different. That they tell the same story about Tressel every half hour (just like every other story in their rotation - I have now seen the Play of the Day 657 times just this morning)? Or that most "experts" think Tressel should be fired - which was the exact same sentiment expressed by virtually every single person involved in ESPN's college basketball coverage as they covered Bruce Pearl's situation?
  • vball10set
    karen lotz;750935 wrote:I agree, ESPN is out to get Jim Tressel.
    jordo212000;750953 wrote:Don't hide information from the NCAA. Don't write a book about doing "the right thing" and get busted doing something very wrong. Don't lie when you are caught, only to follow the original lie with additional lies and inconsistencies.

    You would think that public figures would know by now the best way to handle things. Own it, admit you were wrong, tell the truth, and say you are sorry. The media is much nicer when you do that.
    karen lotz;750957 wrote:jordo my post was 100% sarcasm.
    LOL--typical jordo overreaction....well played, lotz!!!

    and ksig489, didn't get any this morning, eh? :rolleyes:
  • karen lotz
    queencitybuckeye;751314 wrote:Obviously what happened should not have happened and should never happen. However, if you believe they would have treated any coach at any school the exact same way, you are delusional.

    You don't notice their treatment of other coaches/controversial topics because you only pay attention to Ohio State. Bruce Pearl, Rich Rod, Cam Newton, Notre Dame/Declan Sullivan all had similar coverage and those are just recent examples, I'm sure there are hundreds more.
  • SportsAndLady
    Tobias Fünke;751051 wrote:Not quite. In the paragraph I mentioned the slip on the wrist. But it's moot because...

    ...this is a fucking joke. Honestly it's pretty gross that this mindset is out there.

    I don't give a shit if you wrote something in that paragraph, you clearly said no punishment in your one sentence, so you did say it.

    And it might be a joke to you, but it's how it is. Seriously, people are making millions of dollars off you, and you are getting nothing out of it but a free education....and you're telling me you wouldn't try to make a little money? If it's such a joke that the mindset is out there, why is the NCAA president thinking about paying athletes? Don't you think he realizes that is what college football has now become? Might as well pay them legally now, rather than slimy boosters paying under the table.
  • SportsAndLady
    By the way, I don't think the media has any personal vendetta against OSU...that's just stupid.

    Enigmaax mentioned the play of the game on sportscenter (or whatever it was)...that's like the fans of the "other" team in that play saying ESPN has a personal vendetta against their program because ESPN is showing the play so many times. OSU is a big time program, they're going to get a lot of media attention..both negatively and positively..can't just take the negative and say everyone hates us.
  • friendfromlowry
    SportsAndLady;751453 wrote: Seriously, people are making millions of dollars off you, and you are getting nothing out of it but a free education....and you're telling me you wouldn't try to make a little money?

    Is that what you would do? You would sell your shit for a few thousand dollars while at the same time throwing yourself, your coach, your school -- all under the bus? These guys are under so much scrutiny and supervision, is it really worth the risk? Especially considering that the premier athletes -- the ones making all the money for their schools -- will someday make it to the next level and be paid VERY handsomely.
  • Tobias Fünke
    SportsAndLady;751453 wrote:I don't give a shit if you wrote something in that paragraph, you clearly said no punishment in your one sentence, so you did say it.

    And it might be a joke to you, but it's how it is. Seriously, people are making millions of dollars off you, and you are getting nothing out of it but a free education....and you're telling me you wouldn't try to make a little money? If it's such a joke that the mindset is out there, why is the NCAA president thinking about paying athletes? Don't you think he realizes that is what college football has now become? Might as well pay them legally now, rather than slimy boosters paying under the table.
    Just because I said it doesn't mean I was saying it to you.

    It's a fucking joke any way you go about it. "Nothing but a free education," oh excuse me, the free education (as well as living expenses and food), a stipend, free tutoring and all the ass you can bring back to your room is a raw deal. :'( Give me a fucking break, whether the NCAA increases the stipends or whatnot is irrelevant. TRESSEL broke serious rules. It was inexcusable.
  • enigmaax
    friendfromlowry;751477 wrote:Is that what you would do? You would sell your shit for a few thousand dollars while at the same time throwing yourself, your coach, your school -- all under the bus? These guys are under so much scrutiny and supervision, is it really worth the risk? Especially considering that the premier athletes -- the ones making all the money for their schools -- will someday make it to the next level and be paid VERY handsomely.

    As with a lot of crimes (I know, selling your shit isn't a crime...you get the point), I doubt it is typical to sort through potential consequences and how you're going to handle them while performing the action. I doubt it crossed any of those guys minds that they were putting their school at risk or that suspensions, coaches lying for them, etc. really played into the equation. In that same regard, it is easy to say, "they have so much money waiting out there". Well, that isn't now. Seriously, if some dude thought a junky little trinket of mine was worth $1500 or even just worth a tattoo and I needed the money or wanted the tattoo, it isn't like there's going to be some elaborate thought process behind the decision.

    Clearly they violated rules and clearly the consequences are going to be way beyond any damage they intended or suspected the acts would cause. But in trying to rationalize all of that after the fact, we really aren't putting ourselves into the same mindset that we'd likely have if we were in the same situation.
  • lhslep134
    ksig489;751324 wrote:
    Watching OSU is like watching the Miami Hurricanes back in the day. A bunch of mouthy, undisciplined thugs with a coach who doesn't care about anything but winning.
    .

    Comparing OSU to Thug U? And you want people to take you seriously??? LOLZ

    Miami had actual thugs. If you think these kids are thugs for selling their merchandise for cash then you're extremely naive.
  • friendfromlowry
    enigmaax;751501 wrote:As with a lot of crimes (I know, selling your shit isn't a crime...you get the point), I doubt it is typical to sort through potential consequences and how you're going to handle them while performing the action. I doubt it crossed any of those guys minds that they were putting their school at risk or that suspensions, coaches lying for them, etc. really played into the equation. In that same regard, it is easy to say, "they have so much money waiting out there". Well, that isn't now. Seriously, if some dude thought a junky little trinket of mine was worth $1500 or even just worth a tattoo and I needed the money or wanted the tattoo, it isn't like there's going to be some elaborate thought process behind the decision.

    Really? I'm not a college athlete so I can only guess, but I'm sure from day one these guys are sufficiently educated that they CAN NOT PROFIT. PERIOD. So I have a hard time believing they weren't thinking of the consequences. If anything, they probably just thought they were invincible or wouldn't ever be caught. I just have a difficult time believing they were unaware of the consequences.
  • jordo212000
    SportsAndLady;750911 wrote:And if you want to watch sports with character, go watch golf. This is the way college football is now a days...

    You serious, Clark?
  • stlouiedipalma
    jordo212000;750953 wrote:Don't hide information from the NCAA. Don't write a book about doing "the right thing" and get busted doing something very wrong. Don't lie when you are caught, only to follow the original lie with additional lies and inconsistencies.

    You would think that public figures would know by now the best way to handle things. Own it, admit you were wrong, tell the truth, and say you are sorry. The media is much nicer when you do that.

    I've never said that Tressel was innocent. As a matter of fact, I posted on another thread that the time has come for him to resign or for TOSU to fire him.

    What I object to is the 24/7 coverage that ESPN is doing, something which is unprecedented in their history. It's on all of the scrolls during their programming, they have the polls I mentioned and all of their analysts have made reference to it over these past weeks. Maybe it's an overreaction to show that they aren't biased because Herbie works for them, I don't know. It just seems that ESPN has a raging hard-on for Tressel and Ohio State. You may notice that, with the exception of Mark May, their coverage of any of this leading up to the Sugar Bowl was minimal. You don't think it could have had anything to do with the fact they had the BCS package, do you?

    Regardless, Tress and the university could leave them with little to report if they just do the right thing and cut the cord.