NCAA Defines OSU Misconduct/ Tressel Emails Released

• karen lotz

  

  stlouiedipalma;751541 wrote:I've never said that Tressel was innocent. As a matter of fact, I posted on another thread that the time has come for him to resign or for TOSU to fire him.
  
  What I object to is the 24/7 coverage that ESPN is doing, something which is unprecedented in their history. It's on all of the scrolls during their programming, they have the polls I mentioned and all of their analysts have made reference to it over these past weeks. Maybe it's an overreaction to show that they aren't biased because Herbie works for them, I don't know. It just seems that ESPN has a raging hard-on for Tressel and Ohio State. You may notice that, with the exception of Mark May, their coverage of any of this leading up to the Sugar Bowl was minimal. You don't think it could have had anything to do with the fact they had the BCS package, do you?
  
  Regardless, Tress and the university could leave them with little to report if they just do the right thing and cut the cord.

  The bolded statement makes the rest of your post irrelevant, if you actually believe it.
• enigmaax

  friendfromlowry;751517 wrote:Really? I'm not a college athlete so I can only guess, but I'm sure from day one these guys are sufficiently educated that they CAN NOT PROFIT. PERIOD. So I have a hard time believing they weren't thinking of the consequences. If anything, they probably just thought they were invincible or wouldn't ever be caught. I just have a difficult time believing they were unaware of the consequences.

  
  I never said they were unaware of the consequences. My point is that I doubt they sat down and made a list of pros and cons before determining whether to sell or not. I imagine (and no, I don't know for sure) that the process went something like, "hey I'll give you X for your (player's possession)." Then the player said, "Really? Wow. Cool. Here. Thanks."
  
  You know, risk/consequences wasn't really part of the thought process at that moment.
  
  You know, in Driver's Ed most of us learn about speed limits. And there are signs all over the place. And you know a speeding ticket isn't cheap. But I doubt many people sit and make a conscious decision as to whether all of that is worth it when they determine to speed. You want to get where you're going faster, drive faster. In cases like this, you want a little extra spending cash, take what the dude is offering.
• enigmaax

  stlouiedipalma;751541 wrote: What I object to is the 24/7 coverage that ESPN is doing, something which is unprecedented in their history. It's on all of the scrolls during their programming, they have the polls I mentioned and all of their analysts have made reference to it over these past weeks.

  
  I'm just curious, how often did you watch ESPN before the last few days?
• ksig489

  lhslep134;751509 wrote:Comparing OSU to Thug U? And you want people to take you seriously??? LOLZ
  
  Miami had actual thugs. If you think these kids are thugs for selling their merchandise for cash then you're extremely naive.

  Didnt OSU just recruit a kid who has been accused of sexually assaulting a girl more than once? I know that it didnt go to trial, but we all know how that goes...someone threatens to drag the girl through the mud and bring up everything she has ever done and she drops the suit.
  
  The have all kinds of thugs on the roster.
  
  How about alumni Santonio Holmes admitting he sold drugs as a teen...OSU gave him a scholarship...sounds a lot like Miami to me.
  
  Do you also think that the only thing these currently accused kids have done is sell merchandise?
  
  Do you objectively watch their games and see them cheap shotting constantly? Like I said, how many spring games this year have you seen a team flagged for late hits on their own players? OSU got it twice in 10 minutes of their spring game. One was a blindside shot to a QB in the back 2 seconds after he had thrown the ball. The defender took 4 steps after the ball was thrown to hit him.
  
  OSU is as dirty as their coach.
• friendfromlowry

  enigmaax;751564 wrote:I never said they were unaware of the consequences. My point is that I doubt they sat down and made a list of pros and cons before determining whether to sell or not. I imagine (and no, I don't know for sure) that the process went something like, "hey I'll give you X for your (player's possession)." Then the player said, "Really? Wow. Cool. Here. Thanks."
  
  You know, risk/consequences wasn't really part of the thought process at that moment.
  
  You know, in Driver's Ed most of us learn about speed limits. And there are signs all over the place. And you know a speeding ticket isn't cheap. But I doubt many people sit and make a conscious decision as to whether all of that is worth it when they determine to speed. You want to get where you're going faster, drive faster. In cases like this, you want a little extra spending cash, take what the dude is offering.

  
  Right, but I'm just thinking that when they were offered the money/tattoos or whatever the hell they got, they didn't need to sit down and make a list, it should have been as simple as "Hmm every day since I've been here someone has warned me about selling my shit for personal gain, maybe I should listen." But obviously when you're 18-21 years old and someone is offering you thousands for what you consider relatively meaningless, it's difficult to ignore.
• LJ

  

  friendfromlowry;751477 wrote:Is that what you would do? You would sell your shit for a few thousand dollars while at the same time throwing yourself, your coach, your school -- all under the bus? These guys are under so much scrutiny and supervision, is it really worth the risk? Especially considering that the premier athletes -- the ones making all the money for their schools -- will someday make it to the next level and be paid VERY handsomely.

  
  Looking back at how I looked at money as a 19 yr old, I can honestly say I would not looked at ANY of that in the same situation. It's hard to wait when you are 18-19-20 years old. It's hard to look past the weekend let alone the next day when you are that age. Sure, these players are held to a higher standard, but at the same time we have to remember that they are 18-20 yr old humans.
• WebFire

  enigmaax;751567 wrote:I'm just curious, how often did you watch ESPN before the last few days?

  
  No shit. He obviously doesn't watch much.
• WebFire

  SportsAndLady;751453 wrote:I don't give a shit if you wrote something in that paragraph, you clearly said no punishment in your one sentence, so you did say it.
  
  And it might be a joke to you, but it's how it is. Seriously, people are making millions of dollars off you, and you are getting nothing out of it but a free education....and you're telling me you wouldn't try to make a little money? If it's such a joke that the mindset is out there, why is the NCAA president thinking about paying athletes? Don't you think he realizes that is what college football has now become? Might as well pay them legally now, rather than slimy boosters paying under the table.

  
  The slimy boosters wouldn't stop. It would just be a contest to see who can give more. Paying them will not solve anything.
• SportsAndLady

  

  friendfromlowry;751477 wrote:Is that what you would do? You would sell your shit for a few thousand dollars while at the same time throwing yourself, your coach, your school -- all under the bus? These guys are under so much scrutiny and supervision, is it really worth the risk? Especially considering that the premier athletes -- the ones making all the money for their schools -- will someday make it to the next level and be paid VERY handsomely.

  
  Like other people have already said, I wouldn't be sitting there as an 18 year old kid going "hmm, I should probably not sell my own stuff for the sake of my team!!"
  
  But even then, yeah I wouldn't feel bad about selling my own stuff considering my talents have made my coach a multi-millionaire...so yes I would still sell even knowing this is going to make my coach look bad.
• SportsAndLady

  

  WebFire;751590 wrote:The slimy boosters wouldn't stop. It would just be a contest to see who can give more. Paying them will not solve anything.

  
  Never said it would solve anything..just pointing out that the NCAA President Mark Emmert is thinking about doing it. He knows how college football is now.
• vball10set

  ksig489;751573 wrote:Didnt OSU just recruit a kid who has been accused of sexually assaulting a girl more than once? I know that it didnt go to trial, but we all know how that goes...someone threatens to drag the girl through the mud and bring up everything she has ever done and she drops the suit.
  
  The have all kinds of thugs on the roster.
  
  How about alumni Santonio Holmes admitting he sold drugs as a teen...OSU gave him a scholarship...sounds a lot like Miami to me.
  
  Do you also think that the only thing these currently accused kids have done is sell merchandise?
  
  Do you objectively watch their games and see them cheap shotting constantly? Like I said, how many spring games this year have you seen a team flagged for late hits on their own players? OSU got it twice in 10 minutes of their spring game. One was a blindside shot to a QB in the back 2 seconds after he had thrown the ball. The defender took 4 steps after the ball was thrown to hit him.
  
  OSU is as dirty as their coach.

  
  this pretty much seals it--you're a fucking idiot who's just stirring the pot, and you've succeeded--well done :rolleyes:
• SportsAndLady

  

  jordo212000;751520 wrote:You serious, Clark?

  
  Serious as a heart attack.
  
  Tim Tebow was a guy with character and people hated him because of it. Those type of athletes are gone; they aren't "heroes" anymore like they were in the old days. These are guys who realize their talents are being exploited for millions of dollars, so they're gonna get in on it too. And they're not going to be "character guys" in the process.
• SportsAndLady

  

  vball10set;751603 wrote:this pretty much seals it--you're a fucking idiot who's just stirring the pot, and you've succeeded--well done :rolleyes:

  
  Have to agree...that guy is a fucking lunatic.
• ksig489

  vball10set;751603 wrote:this pretty much seals it--you're a fucking idiot who's just stirring the pot, and you've succeeded--well done :rolleyes:

  
  An idiot for posting things that are TRUE?
  
  Typical OSU fan response.
• FatHobbit

  

  vball10set;751603 wrote:this pretty much seals it--you're a fucking idiot who's just stirring the pot, and you've succeeded--well done :rolleyes:

  
  Calling it as you see it.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;751061 wrote:Keep up with the conversation. We are talking about Tressel's actions.

  
  But Tressel's actions are directly related to the player's actions. Shocking that you dont realize that/sarcasm.
• WebFire

  SportsAndLady;751597 wrote:Like other people have already said, I wouldn't be sitting there as an 18 year old kid going "hmm, I should probably not sell my own stuff for the sake of my team!!"
  
  But even then, yeah I wouldn't feel bad about selling my own stuff considering my talents have made my coach a multi-millionaire...so yes I would still sell even knowing this is going to make my coach look bad.

  
  Then you would be a person with not much good character. It's simple. The rule says you can't do it. If you do it knowingly, you deserve every punishment you get. Don't give me the "they make millions from me" bullshit. That's life. Deal with it. No one made you sign the dotted line to play football and get a free education worth a helluva lot of money.
• karen lotz

  

  Commander of Awesome;751647 wrote:But Tressel's actions are directly related to the player's actions. Shocking that you dont realize that/sarcasm.

  
  
  Shocking that out of the 200+ posts in this thread, you quote the ONLY one that was dynasty's. Shocking also that you are wrong that Tressel's actions are directly related to the player's.
• vball10set

  ksig489;751642 wrote:An idiot for posting things that are TRUE?
  
  Typical OSU fan response.

  
  if you say so, then guilty as charged
• SportsAndLady

  

  WebFire;751655 wrote:Then you would be a person with not much good character. It's simple. The rule says you can't do it. If you do it knowingly, you deserve every punishment you get. Don't give me the "they make millions from me" bullshit. That's life. Deal with it. No one made you sign the dotted line to play football and get a free education worth a helluva lot of money.

  
  LOL
  
  So you've never gone over the speed limit? You've never ran a stop sign? You break the law every day...just because I would sell my own stuff for money doesn't mean I have bad character.
• FatHobbit

  

  WebFire;751655 wrote:Then you would be a person with not much good character. It's simple. The rule says you can't do it. If you do it knowingly, you deserve every punishment you get.

  
  Some rules are stupid. It's not a huge deal if you break them. There may be punishment if you get caught, but I don't think it really makes you a bad person. Example: speeding. I do it every day. If I get caught I'm going to pay a fine, but I don't deserve to get fired and it doesn't make me a bad person. And if the officer asks if I know how fast I was going, you can be certain I will say "no".
• FatHobbit

  

  SportsAndLady;751673 wrote:LOL
  
  So you've never gone over the speed limit? You've never ran a stop sign? You break the law every day...just because I would sell my own stuff for money doesn't mean I have bad character.

  
  Beat me to it.
• karen lotz

  

  http://brucehooley.com/opinion/jim-tressels-lies-to-ncaa-were-bad-his-lies-to-osu-were-worse/
  

  But Jim Tressel knowingly puts his star quarterback and receiver on the field all year, lies to the NCAA and lies to his own school, then tries to cover up his lying with more lies, and the view from some of OSU’s fan base is, “Well, sure, but everyone cheats.” Or, “Well, sure, but he was looking out for the kids.” Or, “Well, sure, but no crime was committed.”
  Those are pathetic, laughable arguments and you just aren’t being honest with yourself if you subscribe to any of them.

  Thought S&L would appreciate being mentioned by Hooley.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Pathetic and laughable arguments? What argument am I making? I'm simply stating that is how college football is now.
• WebFire

  SportsAndLady;751673 wrote:LOL
  
  So you've never gone over the speed limit? You've never ran a stop sign? You break the law every day...just because I would sell my own stuff for money doesn't mean I have bad character.

  
  LOL
  
  Big difference. Speeding punishes me and me only. I make the decision to speed knowing that I can get a ticket. It's a risk I take and the consequences affect only me. Selling your shit for profit when you have been told it's wrong, and knowing that it can cause trouble for not only you, but your teammates, coaches, football program and frankly the entire university, makes you a major dick. So yes, I think you would have character issues if you sold your shit knowing you shouldn't and the potential consequences.