Should ND coach Brian Kelly step down?

• WebFire

  Gblock;713892 wrote:im not saying he should be fired...i truly do believe that it was an accident. but if anyone is responsible it would be him. for example years ago a special ed student was giving blowjobs in the auditorium that was supposed to be locked. since she was a minor and in special ed it was basically a rape. the principal wasn't even in the building that day but was fired. she was fired because the procedures that she had put in place to either have the auditorium locked or to have someone show up to do hall duty failed(she did have someone assigned to be on hall duty). as far as the auditorium being locked it was just a door left open by who knows. certainly the principal didnt leave it open.
  
  The coach said that "in terms of the tragedy that occurred, there's never been a more difficult time in my life." i think if you asked him and he wasnt facing litigation he would say he felt responsible. that being said should he lose his job and never be able to work again, probably not. it was an accident albeit an avoidable one.

  
  That's just a terrible comparison. The principal shouldn't have lost her job unless there was gross negligence.
• WebFire

  From the FBS practices I have seen both in person and on film, there is no way I would ever think the head coach is giving a rat's ass about who or what and how the practice is filmed. There is too much going on, too much ground to cover. And like I've said over and over, there are people in place to take care of that. You trust that they are doing their job.
• wildcats20

  

  I don't care what my employer says. If my life is in danger, I'm not doing it.
  
  
  
  Ill find another employer.

  
  
  I'd like to think we all would, but when you're a 20 year old who is given the responsibility as Sullivan was to do a job, you do it. At that age I'd have to believe he didn't feel he was in any real imminent danger because his superiors didn't stop him or warn him--and to me that's where the problem lies.

  Uh. Did you not see his tweets?
• vball10set

  yes, but IMO it was done tongue-in-cheek...again, this is a 20 year student we're talking about
• wildcats20

  

  Yeah I was a 20 year old student one time too. And there is no way in hell I'm getting on an unstable structure in 25+ mph winds.
• vball10set

  then you're smarter than many 20 year olds--when I was 20 I felt I was indestructable, and dying never entered my mind (ergo many times drinking and driving, among other stupid things)
• rock_knutne

  LJ;713823 wrote:OSHA will only hold an entity responsible not an individual. Not a good source to use as evidence that someone is not respnsible just because they were not named.

  
  More reason to not assume BK is solely responsible for what happened!
• LJ

  

  rock_knutne;714031 wrote:More reason to not assume BK is solely responsible for what happened!

  
  That makes 0 sense.
• rock_knutne

  LJ;714032 wrote:That makes 0 sense.

  It makes total sense, especially when no one, especially on this message board has the FACTS!
• LJ

  

  rock_knutne;714034 wrote:It makes total sense, especially when no one, especially on this message board has the FACTS!

  
  We have the FACTS of the OSHA report. The problem is that OSHA recognizes employers as single entities only. That means if Bob the Builder saws Joe the Builder's head off on accident, OSHA will hold The XYZ Building Company liable. They will never, ever name a person in a report.
• rock_knutne

  LJ;714041 wrote:We have the FACTS of the OSHA report. The problem is that OSHA recognizes employers as single entities only. That means if Bob the Builder saws Joe the Builder's head off on accident, OSHA will hold The XYZ Building Company liable. They will never, ever name a person in a report.

  I understand that but my point is NO ONE knows what happened.....if Kelly ordered the kid to go up on that lift......if Kelly ordered the kid to stay on that lift, no one knows and will never know. To point the finger at one person is absolutely ridiculous.
  
  Again, Fr. Jenkins came out from the get go and took full responsibility for this tragedy.....end of story! This topic is a non-issue!
• LJ

  

  rock_knutne;714064 wrote:I understand that but my point is NO ONE knows what happened.....if Kelly ordered the kid to go up on that lift......if Kelly ordered the kid to stay on that lift, no one knows and will never know. To point the finger at one person is absolutely ridiculous.
  

  It needs to be investigated until it is found out and that person is fired. "Eh some kid lost his life, but we will never know! No biggie!"
  
  Disgusting
• WebFire

  LJ;714068 wrote:It needs to be investigated until it is found out and that person is fired. "Eh some kid lost his life, but we will never know! No biggie!"
  
  Disgusting

  
  I agree with that. Just don't think it should be Kelly.
• september63

  

  Should Tressel have been fired when Tyson Gentry became paralyzed by a hit in practice? Because Tressel put him in that position. NO and the logic to fire Kelly is dumb here, it was an accident!!
• LJ

  

  september63;714090 wrote:Should Tressel have been fired when Tyson Gentry became paralyzed by a hit in practice? Because Tressel put him in that position. NO and the logic to fire Kelly is dumb here, it was an accident!!

  
  Dumb
  
  The kid died because of pure negligence, that was ruled to be negligence. There is a HUGE difference.
• Gblock

  so if it is thunder and lightning and the coach keeps practicing and someone gets struck and killed by your logic its just an accident?...foot ball is dangerous by definition. the osu kid was hurt on the field during a play...not an apples to apples comparison imo
• september63

  

  I dislike ND as much, or more, than anyone. Coach Kelly getting fired over this is ridiculous.
• Gblock

  september63;714097 wrote:I dislike ND as much, or more, than anyone. Coach Kelly getting fired over this is ridiculous.

  
  im not saying he should be fired...im not sure what should happen, but i feel the person most responsible for this accident is the head coach. i also doubt he'll be fired. they wouldve done it by now i would think
• The Equalizer

  

  Weather is a difficult thing to predict as far as what it's going to do, how long it's going to last, etc. Maybe Kelly wasn't able to find the ones to partner with to handle such a difficult and complex situation and by the time he did it was too late.
• LJ

  

  september63;714097 wrote:I dislike ND as much, or more, than anyone. Coach Kelly getting fired over this is ridiculous.

  
  Whoever is responsible needs fired. Period. A kid died.
• Gblock

  The Equalizer;714103 wrote:Weather is a difficult thing to predict as far as what it's going to do, how long it's going to last, etc. Maybe Kelly wasn't able to find the ones to partner with to handle such a difficult and complex situation and by the time he did it was too late.

  
  NICE
• rock_knutne

  LJ;714068 wrote:It needs to be investigated until it is found out and that person is fired. "Eh some kid lost his life, but we will never know! No biggie!"
  
  Disgusting

  
  It has been investigated and no one outside of that investigation will never know and, to be more precise, the University's PRESIDENT, Fr. Jenkins, took FULL RESPONSIBILITY! Christ, how hard is that to understand?
• rock_knutne

  LJ;714107 wrote:Whoever is responsible needs fired. Period. A kid died.

  LOL........who's responsible? Maybe you should head up to South Bend and conduct your own investigation.:rolleyes:
• LJ

  

  rock_knutne;714110 wrote:It has been investigated and no one outside of that investigation will never know and, to be more precise, the University's PRESIDENT, Fr. Jenkins, took FULL RESPONSIBILITY! Christ, how hard is that to understand?

  
  then he needs fired.
  
  And once again (ugh, you don;t get it) OSHA does not investigate individuals, only companies as a whole.
• LJ

  

  rock_knutne;714114 wrote:LOL........who's responsible? Maybe you should head up to South Bend and conduct your own investigation.:rolleyes:

  
  a kid died LOL
  
  so funny
  
  LOL