Terrelle Pryor, please stop talking....

• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;595333 wrote:It's sad that you pretend to know so much, yet can't even distinguish the difference between a fluid and a stiff athlete. Why are you comparing him to Tebow? Like I said, Tebow was a better passer and ran the ball like a running back. They are different types of runners.
  
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  I never said they were similar players either. So don't start with the bullshit comparisons. Point being, since you don't get it(pretty sad), Pryor is twice the athletic Tebow is, Tebow played in a system program, Pryor is not. Potential, which is what the NFL and NBA go on, is off the charts to Pryor compared to Tebow. Based on that simple fact, there is NO question Pryor would be drafted within the top 3 rounds.
  
  And believe me you, I understand the difference in your ignorant stiff statement. Comical. I have seen Pryor play basketball, and watched enough of him over the years to realize he is far from stiff. He is a 6'5" 235 freak athlete who could have written his ticket in either sport. Stiffs don't do that. Is he elusive in the open field with great foot quckness, no he isn't. Who the hell is at that size? Newton isn't either. That doesn't mean they are stiff. duh.
  And I am not saying Pryor is that or that. But he is much better then you and many others are claiming he is. Your little kid unrealistic expectations get in the way of reality just as they did with Diebler.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;595367 wrote:I never said they were similar players either. So don't start with the bullshit comparisons. Point being, since you don't get it(pretty sad), Pryor is twice the athletic Tebow is, Tebow played in a system program, Pryor is not. Potential, which is what the NFL and NBA go on, is off the charts to Pryor compared to Tebow. Based on that simple fact, there is NO question Pryor would be drafted within the top 3 rounds.
  
  And believe me you, I understand the difference in your ignorant stiff statement. Comical. I have seen Pryor play basketball, and watched enough of him over the years to realize he is far from stiff. He is a 6'5" 235 freak athlete who could have written his ticket in either sport. Stiffs don't do that. Is he elusive in the open field with great foot quckness, no he isn't. Who the hell is at that size? Newton isn't either. That doesn't mean they are stiff. duh.
  And I am not saying Pryor is that or that. But he is much better then you and many others are claiming he is. Your little kid unrealistic expectations get in the way of reality just as they did with Diebler.

  Regarding his 30-4 record as a starter, don't give him too much credit for that. Anyone could have played QB at OSU the last three years and had a great winning percentage. He wasn't asked to do anything his freshman season, had the offense taken away from him last year up until the bowl game and has shown some progress this year. The overall record is way too overstated in his defense.
  
  You're the one that compared Tebow and Pryor, so don't try to insinuate that I started the "bullshit comparison." You started it. Every QB plays in a system that is made up to take advantage of their talents. Tebow was an exceptional passer as well as a runner. Look at how that "system" performed this year without him. Tebow was a great athlete and just as much of an athlete as Pryor is.
  
  Okay, you say there is "NO question he will be drafted in the first 3 rounds", that's your opinion. We will see in time. He has a lot of improving to do before that is a reality.
  
  And what does "written his ticket" even mean? A scholarship? A pro career? You can't speculate on what he would have accomplished in basketball.
  
  And Newtom is much much more elusive than Pryor, and runs much harder.
  
  Quit throwing in your "unrealistic expectations" comments. They are not only false, but just a lazy argument. I didn't expect anything from Pryor in college. And why Diebler is brought into this discussion is beyond me. I expected even less from him.
• ytownfootball

  

  thedynasty1998;595127 wrote: Tebow is 10X the passer that Pryor was. Plus, I still think part of drafting Tebow had something to do with a public relations move or marketing purposes. With that said, I do think Tebow is a much better pro prospect.

  
  Statements like these are why people think you're an idiot (well, know).
  
  The reason there was so much hesitancy to draft Timmy was his shit mechanics...dude even had a special workout to show potential suitors his "progress" in that regard.
  
  PR move for Tebow in Denver? Yeah because everyone in mile high would fill the stands and buy gear...Denver ain't Jax. Josh Daniels just got his walking papers due in part to wasting a first rounder on him.
  
  Lol...TEN TIMES THE PASSER...please dude
• thedynasty1998

  

  ytownfootball;595419 wrote:Statements like these are why people think you're an idiot (well, know).
  
  The reason there was so much hesitancy to draft Timmy was his shit mechanics...dude even had a special workout to show potential suitors his "progress" in that regard.
  
  PR move for Tebow in Denver? Yeah because everyone in mile high would fill the stands and buy gear...Denver ain't Jax
  
  Lol...TEN TIMES THE PASSER...please dude

  
  The criticism with Tebow was his long delivery and the fact that he never played under center. That was mechanics and not his accuracy or arm strength. Big difference, as NFL coaches think they can correct some of those mechanical problems. Tebow was highly successful for a three year period, in which he threw for over 2700 yards in each, completed over 65% of his passes and had 83 TD's compared to 15 Int's.
  
  So yes, he was 10X the passer Pryor was, because his stats proved it, he has the arm strength and was accurate.
  
  Pryor's criticism won't be necessarily his mechanics, but more so his accuracy and arm strength.
  
  As for the marketing standpoint, I know it's ridiculous, but I just don't know why the hell Denver drafts him. But with that said, he does sell a ton of jerseys and is a fan favorite.
• WebFire

  Stiff is exactly how I would describe TP. He's a good athlete. Doesn't mean he'll be good in the NFL.
• WebFire

  Maybe Urban will go coach Denver now.
• ytownfootball

  

  WebFire;595436 wrote:Stiff is exactly how I would describe TP. He's a good athlete. Doesn't mean he'll be good in the NFL.

  
  Funny thing though is Web (for the record I don't really care how people describe his style) but what I hear the most is "effortless", "like he's not even trying", "gliding"...stiff I haven't heard yet. Lol
• vball10set

  ytownfootball;595451 wrote:Funny thing though is Web (for the record I don't really care how people describe his style) but what I hear the most is "effortless", "like he's not even trying", "gliding"...stiff I haven't heard yet. Lol

  
  this is the only time he's been able to use the word, so let's let him have his fun
• thedynasty1998

  

  ytownfootball;595451 wrote:Funny thing though is Web (for the record I don't really care how people describe his style) but what I hear the most is "effortless", "like he's not even trying", "gliding"...stiff I haven't heard yet. Lol

  
  I would agree with that as well, when running in a straight line. There are Olympic sprinters who are great in the 100 or whatever, but they may not be good at changing direction. He does glide when he runs, but when it comes to changing direction on the move or making guys miss, that's where he looks stiff.
• elbuckeye28

  thedynasty1998;595408 wrote:Regarding his 30-4 record as a starter, don't give him too much credit for that. Anyone could have played QB at OSU the last three years and had a great winning percentage. He wasn't asked to do anything his freshman season, had the offense taken away from him last year up until the bowl game and has shown some progress this year. The overall record is way too overstated in his defense.
  

  
  You could say that about most college QBs with great records because they have quality players around them. That said, if you put Bauserman in this past year and there is a good chance we lose to Miami, Illinois, Iowa, and Penn State.
• elbuckeye28

  thedynasty1998;595474 wrote:I would agree with that as well, when running in a straight line. There are Olympic sprinters who are great in the 100 or whatever, but they may not be good at changing direction. He does glide when he runs, but when it comes to changing direction on the move or making guys miss, that's where he looks stiff.

  
  But it's not that he can't cut or change direction. He just does not do it as well as some of the other players. If you put amazing straight line runner+average change of direction runner=great runner.
• WebFire

  ytownfootball;595451 wrote:Funny thing though is Web (for the record I don't really care how people describe his style) but what I hear the most is "effortless", "like he's not even trying", "gliding"...stiff I haven't heard yet. Lol

  
  Gliding is a good one too. He has long legs with long strides. That's why he isn't a great cutter like Robinson. I guess that's what makes him "stiff", the lack of cutting ability and not being very good in tight spaces.
  
  Let the jokes commence.
• WebFire

  elbuckeye28;595539 wrote:But it's not that he can't cut or change direction. He just does not do it as well as some of the other players. If you put amazing straight line runner+average change of direction runner=great runner.

  
  I don't think he is average at cutting and finding lanes. He lacks some vision too, IMO. He runs well onces he gets into open space.
• cats gone wild

  centralbucksfan;595066 wrote:Its not close because Pryor isn't the focal point in OSU rushing attack. As noted MANY times, Pryor ran MUCH less, about 120 attempts less. The YPC are close. I am not saying Pryor is better than Newton, he isn't. But comparing the rushing is ridiculous when one is the main runner for his team, and the other isn't. Passing stats are in FACT VERY close.

  
  The passing stats are close? So, basically Newton being better in pretty much every stat (rushing/passing) and having alot higher QB percentage (against a bunch of ranked teams in which Pryor hasnt faced more than 1)........yeah, I can see your point.
  
  And, lol about Pryor being twice the athlete Tebow was. I would like to see Pryor put his team on his back and run people over to get the tough yards like Tebow did. I would love to see Pryor have half the accomplishments Tebow had also. Next year before the season starts we will hear the same 2 lines we've heard the past 2 or 3 seasons. " OSU will win the title" and "Pryor will win Heisman or be one of the top Heisman candidates."
• Automatik

  

  cats gone wild;595621 wrote:The passing stats are close? So, basically Newton being better in pretty much every stat (rushing/passing) and having alot higher QB percentage (against a bunch of ranked teams in which Pryor hasnt faced more than 1)........yeah, I can see your point.
  
  And, lol about Pryor being twice the athlete Tebow was. I would like to see Pryor put his team on his back and run people over to get the tough yards like Tebow did. I would love to see Pryor have half the accomplishments Tebow had also. Next year before the season starts we will hear the same 2 lines we've heard the past 2 or 3 seasons. " OSU will win the title" and "Pryor will win Heisman or be one of the top Heisman candidates."

  
  Don't you wish you could say the same about LSU or one of their players?
  
  I think Pryor will be in the discussion for the Heisman next year. Will he get it? Who knows....and I really don't care. Its a team game. I just hope for BCS W's and possibly a national title. I'm just happy with being in the discussion every year.
• cats gone wild

  Automatik;595624 wrote:Don't you wish you could say the same about LSU or one of their players?
  

  Yup, sure do. Ive said plenty of times, I would take Pryor at LSU.
• Automatik

  

  cats gone wild;595661 wrote:Yup, sure do. Ive said plenty of times, I would take Pryor at LSU.

  
  Then why the CONSTANT knocking of OSU? The way the fans act isn't going to change.....doesn't it get old?
• vball10set

  Automatik;595664 wrote:Then why the CONSTANT knocking of OSU? The way the fans act isn't going to change.....doesn't it get old?

  because he's not only a stalker, he's a troll--and he ain't going to change
• ytownfootball

  

  cats gone wild;595661 wrote:Yup, sure do. Ive said plenty of times, I would take Pryor at LSU.

  
  You also said you thought OSU would play LSU in the 'ship next year so why worry about OSU fans saying the same thing you're thinking?
• LJ

  

  thedynasty1998;595432 wrote:The criticism with Tebow was his long delivery and the fact that he never played under center. That was mechanics and not his accuracy or arm strength. Big difference, as NFL coaches think they can correct some of those mechanical problems. Tebow was highly successful for a three year period, in which he threw for over 2700 yards in each, completed over 65% of his passes and had 83 TD's compared to 15 Int's.
  
  So yes, he was 10X the passer Pryor was, because his stats proved it, he has the arm strength and was accurate.
  
  Pryor's criticism won't be necessarily his mechanics, but more so his accuracy and arm strength.
  
  As for the marketing standpoint, I know it's ridiculous, but I just don't know why the hell Denver drafts him. But with that said, he does sell a ton of jerseys and is a fan favorite.

  
  Pryor has great arm strength which is what makes him constantly struggle on accuracy for short and intermediate passes. He has trouble controlling it.
• Mr. 300

  

  His arm strength is what is causing his accuracy problems?? Did you really just say that is his problem?? Bwaaa haaaa
• elbuckeye28

  WebFire;595611 wrote:I don't think he is average at cutting and finding lanes. He lacks some vision too, IMO. He runs well onces he gets into open space.

  
  How can you say he is below average, especially for a QB? I mean he is no where near as quick as Denard, but no one would expect him to be at 6'6". I think this is all perception because he is so big that it does not look so smooth. I have seem him make plenty of good cuts over the last few years, but he is so big that he it does not look as smooth. It is effective though and that's what it is important.
• revgat

  cats gone wild;595621 wrote:The passing stats are close? So, basically Newton being better in pretty much every stat (rushing/passing) and having alot higher QB percentage (against a bunch of ranked teams in which Pryor hasnt faced more than 1)........yeah, I can see your point.
  
  And, lol about Pryor being twice the athlete Tebow was. I would like to see Pryor put his team on his back and run people over to get the tough yards like Tebow did. I would love to see Pryor have half the accomplishments Tebow had also. Next year before the season starts we will hear the same 2 lines we've heard the past 2 or 3 seasons. " OSU will win the title" and "Pryor will win Heisman or be one of the top Heisman candidates."

  Do you know what athleticism is? Tebow was definitely a good athlete, but Pryor is a much better athlete. Tebow was a great college football player because of his work ethic. Not saying Pryor doesn't work hard, but I would be willing to bet not many outworked Tebow.
• WebFire

  elbuckeye28;595727 wrote:How can you say he is below average, especially for a QB? I mean he is no where near as quick as Denard, but no one would expect him to be at 6'6". I think this is all perception because he is so big that it does not look so smooth. I have seem him make plenty of good cuts over the last few years, but he is so big that he it does not look as smooth. It is effective though and that's what it is important.

  
  That's fine. That's your opinion.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Comparing Tebow and Pryor? Ok.
  
  Tebow was a better passer. 10 times better? Of course not, but he was better simply because he was infinitely more accurate and Tebow's arm strength was a bit better. Pryor has an arm, he just doesn't know how to throw the ball. Does he have small hands or something? Almost every downfield pass he throws is a duck. His accuracy is just plain bad. Neither Tebow nor Pryor were/are much for playing the QB position as it is in the NFL. Rarely did I see Tebow have to go through his progressions and read coverage, and we all know Pryor can't do it either.
  
  Tebow is nowhere near the athlete Pryor is. He is a strong, tough runner, which Pryor isn't, but that's all he's got. Pryor can fly and is a strong runner in that he sheds tacklers and is hard to get a solid hit on. His lack of lateral agility and vision is what keeps him from the being one of the greatest runners at QB of all time.
  
  Neither Tebow nor Pryor have a future at QB in the NFL.