Terrelle Pryor, please stop talking....

• centralbucksfan

  KnightRyder;595070 wrote:at least the michigan fans talked of the the heisman after robinson played a few games. .

  Ya, a few games against the likes of NOBODY!
• thedynasty1998

  

  Cam Newton will be a 1st round draft pick.
  
  I'd be shocked if a team touches Pryor in the first 3 rounds.
  
  Robinson will change positions and play in the NFL.
• vball10set

  KnightRyder;595070 wrote: At least the Michigan fans talked of the the Heisman after Robinson played a few games. Buckeye Nation made predictions the day Pryor signed a letter of intent.

  
  good god, if you're going to type out a such a witty reply, please do so legibly...FIFY
• Hamp89

  centralbucksfan;595066 wrote:Its not close because Pryor isn't the focal point in OSU rushing attack. As noted MANY times, Pryor ran MUCH less, about 120 attempts less. The YPC are close. I am not saying Pryor is better than Newton, he isn't. But comparing the rushing is ridiculous when one is the main runner for his team, and the other isn't. Passing stats are in FACT VERY close.

  
  True, but you can't act like Auburn doesn't have a rushing attack outside of Newton - their three backs outside of Newton have totaled over 2,000 yards this year - and the overall rushing statistics for both teams are quite close (if not in Auburn's favor) when you take qb's out of the equation. Dyer has just 100 yards less than Herron, with a higher ypc.
• dat dude

  thedynasty1998;595076 wrote:Cam Newton will be a 1st round draft pick.
  
  I'd be shocked if a team touches Pryor in the first 3 rounds.
  
  Robinson will change positions and play in the NFL.

  
  You would be shocked if a team drafts a 6'5" 235 lb athlete who runs a 4.4 40 in the first three rounds? Do you think he will go undrafted?
  
  Not to mention, he has another full year of development. I think your post in regards to Pryor is premature. The rest of it, I agree.
• thedynasty1998

  

  dat dude;595089 wrote:You would be shocked if a team drafts a 6'5" 235 lb athlete who runs a 4.4 40 in the first three rounds? Do you think he will go undrafted?
  
  Not to mention, he has another full year of development. I think your post in regards to Pryor is premature. The rest of it, I agree.

  
  Forget the athlete part. He is a QB and I don't really see him translating to another position in the NFL, because he's too stiff of an athlete. So, it's going to come down to him as a QB who stands in the pocket and can make the throws. His arm isn't that great, he's not that accurate, and he struggles when he has to scan a defense.
  
  I do think he will develop a lot by this time next year, but I just don't know if he has the tools required to play QB in the NFL.
  
  There are 7 rounds in the NFL draft, just because I don't think he goes top 3 rounds doesn't mean I think he will go undrafted. Someone will take a chance on him. He will be one of those high risk/high reward types.
  
  The biggest thing that Pryor will benefit from is that next year's draft will not have a lot of talent at the QB position. Matt Barkley, Landrey Jones, Nick Foles, QB from Missouri and John Brantley are probably the top prospects. I don't know where Pryor will stand up compared to all of those guys?
• KnightRyder

  

  centralbucksfan;595072 wrote:Ya, a few games against the likes of NOBODY!

  
  yea i forgot the Terrelle Pryor led buckeyes have defeated the who's who of college football.
• thedynasty1998

  

  KnightRyder;595096 wrote:yea i forgot the Terrelle Pryor led buckeyes have defeated the who's who of college football.

  
  That's the thing that is funny to me, as an OSU fan. A Buckeye homer tries to discredit Robinson due to their schedule when the OSU schedule was equally as bad.
  
  To try to diminish what Robinson accomplished this year makes one lose credibility. He was the whole team and put up ridiculous numbers.
• dat dude

  thedynasty1998;595094 wrote:Forget the athlete part. He is a QB and I don't really see him translating to another position in the NFL, because he's too stiff of an athlete. So, it's going to come down to him as a QB who stands in the pocket and can make the throws. His arm isn't that great, he's not that accurate, and he struggles when he has to scan a defense.
  
  I do think he will develop a lot by this time next year, but I just don't know if he has the tools required to play QB in the NFL.
  
  There are 7 rounds in the NFL draft, just because I don't think he goes top 3 rounds doesn't mean I think he will go undrafted. Someone will take a chance on him. He will be one of those high risk/high reward types.
  
  The biggest thing that Pryor will benefit from is that next year's draft will not have a lot of talent at the QB position. Matt Barkley, Landrey Jones, Nick Foles, QB from Missouri and John Brantley are probably the top prospects. I don't know where Pryor will stand up compared to all of those guys?

  
  Then I assume you think he will be a 6th or 7th round pick, unless you used the word "shocked" incorrectly.
  
  Forget the "athlete" part? Was Tebow, a 1st round pick, drafted because of his pocket presence and arm strength? Or was it because he was an athlete at the position and exceptional rusher? What about Pat White, a 2nd round pick? The "athlete" part is what will get him drafted early. So to to say "forget it," would be ridiculous. I'm not guaranteeing Pryor will be drafted in the first 3 rounds, but it certainly wouldn't shock me in the least. Especially if you consider the way teams have drafted in the past.
• WebFire

  centralbucksfan;595069 wrote:Kinda like all the UM fans jumping on the Robinson wagon this year and the Forcier wagon last year?

  
  Sort of. Except I would say the % of Michigan fans who actually thought that was much smaller than the OSU fan's who thought TP would have won a Heisman by now. And Robinson's Heisman talk was short lived, whereas TP's has been pretty non-stop since signing day.
  
  Not all fans are this way. And every team has them. I don't think I stated otherwise.
• thedynasty1998

  

  dat dude;595112 wrote:Then I assume you think he will be a 6th or 7th round pick, unless you used the word "shocked" incorrectly.
  
  Forget the "athlete" part? Was Tebow, a 1st round pick, drafted because of his pocket presence and arm strength? Or was it because he was an athlete at the position and exceptional rusher? What about Pat White, a 2nd round pick? The "athlete" part is what will get him drafted early. So to to say "forget it," would be ridiculous. I'm not guaranteeing Pryor will be drafted in the first 3 rounds, but it certainly wouldn't shock me in the least. Especially if you consider the way teams have drafted in the past.

  
  I said "shocked" in the first 3 rounds. The 4th round wouldn't be that surprising, because that's usually where teams are more willing to take a gamble on someone. Most teams expect their top 3 picks to compete for a starting spot. And Tebow runs like a RB, so even if he doesn't play QB, they utilize him in short yardage.
  
  Tebow is 10X the passer that Pryor was. Plus, I still think part of drafting Tebow had something to do with a public relations move or marketing purposes. With that said, I do think Tebow is a much better pro prospect.
  
  As for Pat White, he was drafted to fit into the wildcat, which teams have started to figure out more. Plus, he was one of those Denard Robinson athletes with good hips and quickness, something Pryor lacks. If White wasn't going to be used at QB, they could have him return kicks, play WR and use him in other packages.
  
  White just has much more flexibility than Pryor.
• WebFire

  dat dude;595112 wrote:Then I assume you think he will be a 6th or 7th round pick, unless you used the word "shocked" incorrectly.
  
  Forget the "athlete" part? Was Tebow, a 1st round pick, drafted because of his pocket presence and arm strength? Or was it because he was an athlete at the position and exceptional rusher? What about Pat White, a 2nd round pick? The "athlete" part is what will get him drafted early. So to to say "forget it," would be ridiculous. I'm not guaranteeing Pryor will be drafted in the first 3 rounds, but it certainly wouldn't shock me in the least. Especially if you consider the way teams have drafted in the past.

  
  How many people debated how good these 2 would be in the NFL? A lot. How have their careers been so far? Not great. So is that who you are comparing TP to?
• thedynasty1998

  

  WebFire;595120 wrote:Sort of. Except I would say the % of Michigan fans who actually thought that was much smaller than the OSU fan's who thought TP would have won a Heisman by now. And Robinson's Heisman talk was short lived, whereas TP's has been pretty non-stop since signing day.
  
  Not all fans are this way. And every team has them. I don't think I stated otherwise.

  
  I'm still surprised that Robinson wasn't invited to New York. For whatever reason (mainly losing) people are not putting his season into perspective.
  
  And yes, the Pryor talk was very premature. I know some of the local radio hosts here in Columbus were talking Heisman going into his sophomore year, and it was just totally unjustified.
• WebFire

  thedynasty1998;595131 wrote:I'm still surprised that Robinson wasn't invited to New York. For whatever reason (mainly losing) people are not putting his season into perspective.
  
  And yes, the Pryor talk was very premature. I know some of the local radio hosts here in Columbus were talking Heisman going into his sophomore year, and it was just totally unjustified.

  
  The shit-ass ending to the Wolverines season kept him from New York. Who was the first player in college football HISTORY to pass for 2,000 and rush for 1,500? Denard Robinson. Who was the 2nd? Cam Newton. One is invited to New York, one isn't.
• dat dude

  So first three rounds = shocked (Something that jars the mind or emotions as if with a violent unexpected blow - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shocked). But 4th round, possibly one pick later, is not surprising. I guess I have a different understanding of the word shocked. Pryor being drafted in the first three rounds definitely wouldn't fit.
  
  And as I mentioned before, I think the Pryor talk is premature. One additional year of development could prove to be crucial.
• Automatik

  

  WebFire;595133 wrote:The shit-ass ending to the Wolverines season kept him from New York. Who was the first player in college football HISTORY to pass for 2,000 and rush for 1,500? Denard Robinson. Who was the 2nd? Cam Newton. One is invited to New York, one isn't.

  
  One is 7-5 and the other is playing for the title. You know how the Heisman rolls. They don't care that Denard's defense was equivalent to a high school team's.
• dat dude

  WebFire;595130 wrote:How many people debated how good these 2 would be in the NFL? A lot. How have their careers been so far? Not great. So is that who you are comparing TP to?

  
  The issue isn't whether Pryor will be an effective NFL player. The issue is where he will be drafted. And all it takes is one team to take a chance. So, judging by the recent NFL draft history, it appears as if teams ARE willing to take a chance.
• thedynasty1998

  

  dat dude;595150 wrote:So first three rounds = shocked (Something that jars the mind or emotions as if with a violent unexpected blow - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shocked). But 4th round, possibly one pick later, is not surprising. I guess I have a different understanding of the word shocked. Pryor being drafted in the first three rounds definitely wouldn't fit.
  
  And as I mentioned before, I think the Pryor talk is premature. One additional year of development could prove to be crucial.

  Thanks for educating me on the definition of shocked. Yes, I stand by that. I was shocked Evan Turner went #2 in the draft, but that doesn't mean others didn't see things differently.
  
  I think mid 4th round would be where I could see a team to consider taking Pryor. I think he's a very good college QB, but I have yet to see how his game translates to the next level.
• dat dude

  Like I said, different understanding of the use of the word "shocked." Also, I don't agree with your theory on NFL drafting strategy. But its just an opinion.
  
  And I wasn't attempting to "educate" you. I was just showing you where we differ.
• WebFire

  Automatik;595151 wrote:One is 7-5 and the other is playing for the title. You know how the Heisman rolls. They don't care that Denard's defense was equivalent to a high school team's.

  
  Yeah, that was my whole point.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;595102 wrote:That's the thing that is funny to me, as an OSU fan. A Buckeye homer tries to discredit Robinson due to their schedule when the OSU schedule was equally as bad.
  
  To try to diminish what Robinson accomplished this year makes one lose credibility. He was the whole team and put up ridiculous numbers.

  
  Robinson is good, no question. But whenever he/they played against any semblence of a defense, they were shut down, or he was knocked out. Homer that. And as I told YOU early in the season, he wouldnt' touch the numbers you predicted.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;595094 wrote:Forget the athlete part. He is a QB and I don't really see him translating to another position in the NFL, because he's too stiff of an athlete. So, it's going to come down to him as a QB who stands in the pocket and can make the throws. His arm isn't that great, he's not that accurate, and he struggles when he has to scan a defense.
  
  ?

  
  Too stiff of an athlete!!?? LMAO Top 50 bball players are not stiffs! You are really clueless at times with your ridiculous comments. How flexable do you think Tebow is compared to Pryor? Tebow went in first round and was nothing but a system QB. Pryor is twice the athlete. We'll never know, but if Pryor came out this year, somone would in fact take a chance within the first 3rds on him.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;595322 wrote:Too stiff of an athlete!!?? LMAO Top 50 bball players are not stiffs! You are really clueless at times with your ridiculous comments. How flexable do you think Tebow is compared to Pryor? Tebow went in first round and was nothing but a system QB. Pryor is twice the athlete. We'll never know, but if Pryor came out this year, somone would in fact take a chance within the first 3rds on him.

  
  It's sad that you pretend to know so much, yet can't even distinguish the difference between a fluid and a stiff athlete. Why are you comparing him to Tebow? Like I said, Tebow was a better passer and ran the ball like a running back. They are different types of runners.
  
  And yes, he was a top basketball player, what does that prove? He's 6'6" fast and can jump. That doesn't mean he has fluid hips or is that quick. Pryor is amazingly fast, but that does not mean he's quick. Sorry if you don't know what the difference is.
  
  And I'm pretty sure I said Robinson had the potential for 2000/2000. Yes he fell short, but he still did something that was unprecedented.
  
  BTW, Pryor is NOT twice the athlete Tebow is. That's just you being a homer.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;595314 wrote:Robinson is good, no question. But whenever he/they played against any semblence of a defense, they were shut down, or he was knocked out. Homer that. And as I told YOU early in the season, he wouldnt' touch the numbers you predicted.

  
  Yea because Pryor has always elevated his game against the better teams on OSU's schedule.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;595335 wrote:Yea because Pryor has always elevated his game against the better teams on OSU's schedule.

  
  30-4 as a starter. Nuff said.