Gordon Gee with a big ole F U to Boise and TCU

• cats gone wild

  Midstate01;575196 wrote:Didn't we have tcu on the schedule in 2012 and they backed out?? Or is it a later year??

  
  I know they picked up LSU for a couple games in a few years. I wouldnt think they would back out on anyone unless the other team didnt want to play there or neutral.
• cats gone wild

  Just found this
  
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  -- Doug LesmerisesCOLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State's win Saturday sent the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl. If their schedule this season had worked out differently, the Buckeyes' win may also have sent Texas Christian to the national title game.
  
  In late December of 2007, Ohio State said it had reached a deal to open the 2009 season at home against TCU. Army had recently backed out of a planned series, and the Horned Frogs, coming off an 8-5 season, were set for a one-game trip to Columbus. According to Ohio State, the game had been agreed to but the contract wasn't yet signed.
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  "I'd say Ohio State really wanted it," TCU associate athletic director Jack Hesselbrock, who handles the Horned Frogs' football scheduling, said last week. "They had an opening and needed an opponent, and I think the fans would have liked it and been intrigued by it."
  
  Hesselbrock said TCU was about 50-50 on taking the game, but certainly talked it over. There were some logistical problems. Virginia was already scheduled for the season opener and according to Hesselbrock, it would not have been easy to shift that game. Also, with TCU's growing success, the Horned Frogs were looking to get away from taking paydays to serve as opponents for BCS schools, as they did with losses to Texas in 2007 and Oklahoma in 2008.
  
  So while they liked the idea of playing Ohio State for the first time since 1973, the program was hoping to move beyond that.
  
  "And Ohio State was not interested in a return here for obvious reasons," Hesselbrock said. "
• wildcats20

  

  So basically TCU was scared to play another big boy. Surprise surprise.
  
  
  
  BTW I also think the big boys who won't go to a smaller school(Boise, TCU, Utah, etc) are pussies as well.
• jordo212000

  

  TCU is a quality team, but they have seemed to avoid playing key OOC games. I just looked at a few recent schedules and nothing really pops out at me. The Mtn West is a solid conference, but their OOC scheduling has been weak. Boise on the other hand does seem to be making an effort to play good teams. Their conference is just pretty horrid. Transitioning to the Mtn West should help them, but losing Utah to the Pac-10 was a pretty crushing blow IMO
• jordo212000

  

  trep14;575178 wrote:OSU has probably only had to leave their starters in the entire game against Iowa, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Illinois. I'm not buying OSU's "rigorous" schedule.

  
  The "rigors" of playing Minnesota, Indiana, and Purdue. haha
• dazedconfused

  

  they'll blame it on the logistics of the virginia game, but tcu didn't want blemish their record with an early season loss at ohio state
• jordo212000

  

  dazedconfused;575368 wrote:they'll blame it on the logistics of the virginia game, but tcu didn't want blemish their record with an early season loss at ohio state

  
  Common place in the NCAA with the BCS in play. You can't really stand to benefit from playing a murderer's row of a schedule. You are best to play a low to mid-tiered school (think Colorado or Purdue) from a BCS conference that gives the illusion that you are beefing up your OOC and then you skate through your conference and a few mid-majors and voila, BCS. If TCU did duck Ohio State, that's pretty lame, but to act like this doesn't happen throughout college football is just being naive.
• dazedconfused

  

  jordo212000;575371 wrote:Common place in the NCAA with the BCS in play. You can't really stand to benefit from playing a murderer's row of a schedule. You are best to play a low to mid-tiered school (think Colorado or Purdue) from a BCS conference that gives the illusion that you are beefing up your OOC and then you skate through your conference and a few mid-majors and voila, BCS. If TCU did duck Ohio State, that's pretty lame, but to act like this doesn't happen throughout college football is just being naive.

  
  my thinking was more about tcu wanting to be considered for a national championship but ducking their only ooc competition. obviously a team like ohio state can afford to duck an ooc opponent every once in a while because they can just fall back on their conference schedule (and tradition). tcu can't afford to be doing that and expect to not be passed over for the national championship game
• ts1227

  

  dazedconfused;575374 wrote: obviously a team like ohio state can afford to duck an ooc opponent every once in a while because they can just fall back on their conference schedule (and tradition).e

  
  Tradition can't play into every decision... anymore that's just a word teams/conferences use as a crutch to justify certain bad decisions.
• enigmaax

  jordo212000;575358 wrote:TCU is a quality team, but they have seemed to avoid playing key OOC games. I just looked at a few recent schedules and nothing really pops out at me. The Mtn West is a solid conference, but their OOC scheduling has been weak. Boise on the other hand does seem to be making an effort to play good teams. Their conference is just pretty horrid. Transitioning to the Mtn West should help them, but losing Utah to the Pac-10 was a pretty crushing blow IMO

  
  Um...they have played at least two AQ/BCS/Big 6 teams just about every year in the recent past, including going to Oklahoma (twice, winning once when OK was ranked #7 at the time) and Texas. Hard to tell when they scheduled all those games, but Texas Tech, Virginia, and Clemson aren't pushovers for a team like TCU.
  
  Until this season, Boise only had one AQ/BCS/6 team every year except one (2005?) and those teams have been mostly Oregon and Oregon State with Georgia once and Washington once. I don't know if people just remember the bowl wins for Boise and that shades the perception, but they certainly haven't gone all out either.
• wildcats20

  

  enigmaax;575462 wrote:Um...they have played at least two AQ/BCS/Big 6 teams just about every year in the recent past, including going to Oklahoma (twice, winning once when OK was ranked #7 at the time) and Texas. Hard to tell when they scheduled all those games, but Texas Tech, Virginia, and Clemson aren't pushovers for a team like TCU.
  
  Until this season, Boise only had one AQ/BCS/6 team every year except one (2005?) and those teams have been mostly Oregon and Oregon State with Georgia once and Washington once. I don't know if people just remember the bowl wins for Boise and that shades the perception, but they certainly haven't gone all out either.

  
  I'm sorry did you just say Virginia was not a pushover for a team who thinks they should be playing for a National Title? Virginia hasn't had a winning record since 2007.
• enigmaax

  wildcats20;575467 wrote:I'm sorry did you just say Virginia was not a pushover for a team who thinks they should be playing for a National Title? Virginia hasn't had a winning record since 2007.

  
  And like I said, I don't know when they were scheduled. But they were 9-4 in 2007 and had a decent stretch in the early 00s. When do you think TCU, or even Boise, started scheduling for a national championship? I think both have been in "upgrade" mode - I said they aren't a pushover for a team like TCU who shouldn't think they should be playing for a national title - and that starts with adding a couple BCS teams when you can get them. Besides, that game was scheduled along with Clemson in the same year.
  
  I'm not touting it as some earth shattering schedule, just saying that overall, Boise hasn't outdone TCU when it comes to "trying".
• jordo212000

  

  yeah, I forgot about Oklahoma, but I was aware of the others. I stand by what I said. Clemson and Virginia have both been garbage.
• lhslep134

  

  wildcats20;575346 wrote:
  
  
  BTW I also think the big boys who won't go to a smaller school(Boise, TCU, Utah, etc) are pussies as well.

  
  It's not about being scared it's about the loss of money from traveling to a small school vs. hosting a cupcake.
  
  TCU refusing to come here is about being scared.
• wildcats20

  

  lhslep134;575526 wrote:It's not about being scared it's about the loss of money from traveling to a small school vs. hosting a cupcake.
  
  TCU refusing to come here is about being scared.

  
  I get the whole money issue. I just feel like if you think you are a better football team it doesn't matter where you play a team. But everything is all about the money soooo lol
  
  Also, I think Va Tech beats Boise if the game is in Blacksburg.
  
  
  And it is a HUGE double standard to think a mid major(who thinks they are NC caliber) to schedule bottom dwellers of BCS conferences it's scheduling tough, but for a BCS school(NC caliber) to schedule the Virginia's, Colorado's and the like it's having a weak schedule.
• enigmaax

  jordo212000;575490 wrote:yeah, I forgot about Oklahoma, but I was aware of the others. I stand by what I said. Clemson and Virginia have both been garbage.

  
  So you must be blown away by the overwhelming odds of playing Washington and ultimately sub-.500 Oregon State?
• enigmaax

  wildcats20;575540 wrote:I get the whole money issue. I just feel like if you think you are a better football team it doesn't matter where you play a team. But everything is all about the money soooo lol
  
  Also, I think Va Tech beats Boise if the game is in Blacksburg.
  
  
  And it is a HUGE double standard to think a mid major(who thinks they are NC caliber) to schedule bottom dwellers of BCS conferences it's scheduling tough, but for a BCS school(NC caliber) to schedule the Virginia's, Colorado's and the like it's having a weak schedule.

  
  I agree. I wasn't trying to sell TCU's schedule, but it isn't/hasn't been that much different from Boise except they at least tried to grab a couple schools that play in BCS conferences. After Boise beat Oregon State this year a lot of people were saying, "what more do they have to do"? Well, considering that Oregon State may have a losing record, I'd say a hell of a lot more than beat one good team and then try to pass Ore St off as a legitimate statement. If a person is going to say, "well they tried", then you have to say the same thing for a Virginia-Clemson schedule when those were both road games.
• Pick6

  

  enigmaax;575546 wrote:I agree. I wasn't trying to sell TCU's schedule, but it isn't/hasn't been that much different from Boise except they at least tried to grab a couple schools that play in BCS conferences. After Boise beat Oregon State this year a lot of people were saying, "what more do they have to do"? Well, considering that Oregon State may have a losing record, I'd say a hell of a lot more than beat one good team and then try to pass Ore St off as a legitimate statement. If a person is going to say, "well they tried", then you have to say the same thing for a Virginia-Clemson schedule when those were both road games.

  
  I think beating teams like Oregon and VT is > than Virginia and Clemson
• enigmaax

  Pick6;575548 wrote:I think beating teams like Oregon and VT is > than Virginia and Clemson

  
  They didn't beat Oregon and VT last year. They beat Oregon.
• Pick6

  

  ^ Im well aware. Im just saying Boise has scheduled and beaten some big boys. TCU hasnt
• enigmaax

  Pick6;575579 wrote:^ Im well aware. Im just saying Boise has scheduled and beaten some big boys. TCU hasnt

  
  Oh, Oklahoma isn't a big boy? TCU beat them when they were in the top 10. The point continues to be, the debate is not about ONE game.
• Pick6

  

  and for the record, I dont think it makes any sense to schedule a Boise or a TCU. if you beat them, the media and pollsters will see them as being an overrated team, they will drop a lot in the polls (even though it will be there only loss, it will also be there only tough game all year). Then, it is seen as not a very good win (like Miami this year, even though I still think they are capable of beating anyone if they play good). If you lose to them, it is all hell..probably a pretty big drop in the polls and an embarrassment to your program that you will have to hear about all season/
• Pick6

  

  enigmaax;575589 wrote:Oh, Oklahoma isn't a big boy? TCU beat them when they were in the top 10. The point continues to be, the debate is not about ONE game.

  
  ah your right. I was thinking more recently though, not 2005
• enigmaax

  Pick6;575595 wrote:and for the record, I dont think it makes any sense to schedule a Boise or a TCU. if you beat them, the media and pollsters will see them as being an overrated team, they will drop a lot in the polls (even though it will be there only loss, it will also be there only tough game all year). Then, it is seen as not a very good win (like Miami this year, even though I still think they are capable of beating anyone if they play good). If you lose to them, it is all hell..probably a pretty big drop in the polls and an embarrassment to your program that you will have to hear about all season/

  
  Yeah, that reminds me of a point that people don't consider when they get caught up in this mid-major smoke screen. I've asked before and usually no one answers. If there were no undefeated teams and Boise State had lost to VT (lets say it was just by a FG or something), would people still be clamoring for Boise State to get into the title game? The answer is likely, "no", and the reason is going to be because they didn't really beat anyone noteworthy. And if that is the case, then why does the fact that they won that ONE game mean SO much?
• enigmaax

  Pick6;575598 wrote:ah your right. I was thinking more recently though, not 2005

  
  I wouldn't even care about that win either, except for the fact that people continue to use Boise's last several years as "proof" that they are legit in any other given season. I mean, it was only the next season that Boise beat Oklahoma and people still refer to that as earning their "big boy" status.