Gordon Gee with a big ole F U to Boise and TCU

• ytownfootball

  

  wildcats20;573993 wrote:Sagarin has OSU's schedule at 59. Boise's at 73. And TCU at 68.
  
  And which schedule is worse again?

  
  well ya, some factual evidence might help here. I Sagarins updated, I mean I know it is but are those updated rankings?
• wildcats20

  

  ytownfootball;574003 wrote:well ya, some factual evidence might help here. I Sagarins updated, I mean I know it is but are those updated rankings?

  
  As of November 21 at 2:11 AM.
• ytownfootball

  

  thedynasty1998;574001 wrote:No one cares about the history. You can only look at this season's results.

  
  Bullshit. All the Boise nuthuggers point to beating teams years ago as to reasons why they should get the shot.
• thedynasty1998

  

  ytownfootball;574006 wrote:Bullshit. All the Boise nuthuggers point to beating teams years ago as to reasons why they should get the shot.

  
  Like who? Boise State has been impressive THIS YEAR.
• ytownfootball

  

  wildcats20;574005 wrote:As of November 21 at 2:11 AM.

  
  Nice...so there you have it
  
  and BTW, no one is touting the 58th overall toughest schedule as anything to be proud of, just illustrates the point further that you can have the 73rd and still be in the title hunt.
• wildcats20

  

  Yeah, by no means am I trying to say OSU has played a tough schedule. But Boise and TCU have both played WORSE schedules. But OSU's is the one that gets ridiculed. Oh the top 2 teams(Auburn and LSU) in the SEC are 40 and 41, so let's not even start with that.
  
  And Dynasty, I have no idea how his rankings work. Below is what the site lists as Schedule Ratings:

  The SCHEDULE ratings represent what the rating would have to be for a
  hypothetical team to have a mathematical expectation of winning precisely 50%
  of their games against the schedule played by the team in question in the games
  that it has played so far. The schedule difficulty of each given game takes
  into account the rating of the opponent and the location of the game. This
  is the same concept that is used in computing the WIN50% conference ratings.

• trep14

  Gordon Gee is a joke when it comes to things like this. I have absolutely no respect for his opinions on college football. I still laugh at the idea that he criticized the idea of a playoff because it would ruin "tradition", yet he was one of the guys leading the charge to move the OSU-Mich game to the middle of the season. The guy clearly only cares about who is lining his pockets at the end of the day.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Again, no one said Boise's schedule is good, it's just ironic when Buckeye fans criticize it.
  
  And sure, OSU's is better, but remove Wisconsin from it, and then look at it? Hard to argue that someone has a better schedule when the one elite team on the schedule is a L.
• wildcats20

  

  thedynasty1998;574025 wrote:Again, no one said Boise's schedule is good, it's just ironic when Buckeye fans criticize it.
  
  And sure, OSU's is better, but remove Wisconsin from it, and then look at it? Hard to argue that someone has a better schedule when the one elite team on the schedule is a L.

  Yeah OSU lost to Wisky. But is that worse than beating a team who lost to a 1-AA team? I would rather lose to a top 8 team than have our best win be over a team who lost to James Madison.
• thedynasty1998

  

  In comparison, Michigan State (the Big 10's representative) has a SOS of 67, within 5 of the two schools we are discussing. But if Michigan State would have run the table, no one would have been questioning them in the NC game.
  
  I get both sides of this argument, and I really don't think Boise and TCU deserve a shot in the NC game. But I think they deserve credit for what they have been able to accomplish this year.
• thedynasty1998

  

  wildcats20;574033 wrote:Yeah OSU lost to Wisky. But is that worse than beating a team who lost to a 1-AA team? I would rather lose to a top 8 team than have our best win be over a team who lost to James Madison.

  
  Yes, it is worse. Don't make too much out of the Virginia Tech loss to James Madison. They have righted the ship and proved to be a good team.
  
  And OSU's best win is who, Iowa? Who is ranked below Virginia Tech.
  
  Not sure how you can say that and what exactly your point is?
• lhslep134

  

  Dynasty you just don't get it. You don't at all.
  
  It's about the grind of the conference schedule. It's not about the fucking spread, are you fucking serious?
  
  How about in 2007, OSU got upset by Illinois....last year it was Purdue.
  
  Upsets happen to the best teams in every single power conference, yet TCU and Boise don't lose in conference...what does that say about their quality of competition? It says that they don't have to prepare week in and week out like other teams such as Auburn, Oregon, etc. Why do those teams have to get up each week and Boise and TCU don't? Because the teams they play are so devoid of talent that it's not even close. At least in power conferences the players who play are generally recruited by each other. No one who plays for any fucking WAC or MWC school outside of Boise, TCU, and Utah would play at any power conference team, even the bottom feeders.
  
  Pure ignorance for someone to think otherwise.
  
  Don't give me some bullshit Sagarin rankings. Those are the same rankings that had a 2 loss Florida team (at the time) at 7th in the country.
• wildcats20

  

  lhslep134;574040 wrote:Dynasty you just don't get it. You don't at all.
  
  It's about the grind of the conference schedule. It's not about the fucking spread, are you fucking serious?
  
  How about in 2007, OSU got upset by Illinois....last year it was Purdue.
  
  Upsets happen to the best teams in every single power conference, yet TCU and Boise don't lose in conference...what does that say about their quality of competition? It says that they don't have to prepare week in and week out like other teams such as Auburn, Oregon, etc. Why do those teams have to get up each week and Boise and TCU don't? Because the teams they play are so devoid of talent that it's not even close. At least in power conferences the players who play are generally recruited by each other. No one who plays for any fucking WAC or MWC school outside of Boise, TCU, and Utah would play at any power conference team, even the bottom feeders.
  
  Pure ignorance for someone to think otherwise.
  
  Don't give me some bullshit Sagarin rankings. Those are the same rankings that had a 2 loss Florida team (at the time) at 7th in the country.

  
  Not using his actual rankings. Just his SOS ranking.
• ytownfootball

  

  lhslep134;574040 wrote: Don't give me some bullshit Sagarin rankings. Those are the same rankings that had a 2 loss Florida team (at the time) at 7th in the country.

  
  I don't know the intricacies of the formula other than by seasons end they are pretty accurate. Margin of victory is used however and it skews the numbers early in the year, when most teams schedule their OOC cup cakes. The BCS removes all MOV algorithms for their calculations.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Upsets happen in conference games because teams know each other better. Boise has the same risk of losing a conference game.
  
  Maybe Boise deserves more credit for not slipping up every year, like some others do (USC and OSU the last 2 seasons). They do what they are supposed to do every single game.
  
  And yes, point spreads are relevant. It shows that no one takes OSU's opponents serious.
  
  This ended up being a comparison of Boise and OSU's schedule, and that's fine. But my only point is to give credit where credit's do, and that it's ironic when Buckeye fans are so openly critical of Boise's schedule.
  
  And as I said before, I was talking about the ACC, Big East and the Big 10. Admittedly that SEC, Pac 10 and Big 12 play tougher schedules week by week.
  
  But what would the reaction be if Michigan State was undefeated and we were discussing their resume?
• ytownfootball

  

  thedynasty1998;574053 wrote:
  Maybe Boise deserves more credit for not slipping up every year, like some others do (USC and OSU the last 2 seasons).

  But, but, but I thought you said what happened this year is the only thing that matters?
  
  thank you for proving your earlier question to me.
• thedynasty1998

  

  ytownfootball;574057 wrote:But, but, but I thought you said what happened this year is the only thing that matters?
  
  thank you for proving your earlier question to me.

  
  I was only responding to the claim about there being upsets in conference play. THIS YEAR Boise took care of business and didn't drop one in conference play.
  
  Nice try though.
• ytownfootball

  

  Hey it's your post, I didn't have to try.
• thedynasty1998

  

  ytownfootball;574079 wrote:Hey it's your post, I didn't have to try.

  
  I don't even know what your point is?
• lhslep134

  

  Dynasty you're wrong.
  
  
  Every single team in the 6 power conferences is better than every piece of shit team in their respective standing in the MWC and WAC. For that reason alone TCU and Boise don't deserve it.
  
  You may disagree that Boise and TCU don't deserve it, but you cannot refute my reasoning. To do so is pure ignorance of the complete shit makeup of the WAC and MWC.
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;574086 wrote:Dynasty you're wrong.
  
  
  Every single team in the 6 power conferences is better than every piece of shit team in their respective standing in the MWC and WAC. For that reason alone TCU and Boise don't deserve it.
  
  You may disagree that Boise and TCU don't deserve it, but you cannot refute my reasoning. To do so is pure ignorance of the complete shit makeup of the WAC and MWC.

  
  I don't think they deserve it. I never once said that. But I don't think the schedule of Boise is that much different than those of OSU, Michigan State, anyone in the Big East or anyone in the ACC.
  
  But just because the conference as a whole is better, doesn't mean Boise isn't good. That's my problem with people's thinking. Boise is a very good team and would win the Big East and the ACC.
  
  We, as Buckeye fans, give too much credit to the Big 10 though. It's really not that impressive.
• 0311sdp

  I think we are all saying kind of the same thing here, 1) Boise State and TCU are both very good teams 2)but we don't know if they are good enough to play in the N/C game because they don't play anyone all season. As for Boise and TCU not slipping up in conference play, it is easier for them not to because the gap between them and the rest of their league is much greater than in the SEC, Big Ten , Big 12 , or PAC 10 conferences. They can play terrible and still most teams in their conference just don't have the horses to compete with them. OSU's schedule admittedly is not what it should be, next season it will be a lot better with the addition of Nebraska, and Colorado instead of a MAC school, also Miami may live up to expectations next season also. With the major conferences looking to expand Boise and TCU need to push to join one of them. (but I really don't think that they want to, it's much easier to cry hey look at me I'm undefeated and it's unfair that you won't let me in the big dance than to actually play and earn your way into the party.
• cats gone wild

  ytownfootball;573995 wrote:Not given the history of their defeated opponents, again, (I think I've said this 3 times) this year has been the exception.

  2007 also, which wasnt long ago
  

  wildcats20;574017 wrote:Yeah, by no means am I trying to say OSU has played a tough schedule. But Boise and TCU have both played WORSE schedules. But OSU's is the one that gets ridiculed. Oh the top 2 teams(Auburn and LSU) in the SEC are 40 and 41, so let's not even start with that.
  
  And Dynasty, I have no idea how his rankings work. Below is what the site lists as Schedule Ratings:

  
  So, basically what sagarin says is correct? How many SOS sites are there? And anyone in their right mind knows that LSU doesnt have the 41st toughest schedule in the nation. Isnt sagarin the guy who has the PAC 10 on top of all of his sos?
  
  I bet not many bucks fans would like to play Boise or TCU on a neutral field or a bowl game. This year I would take Boise or TCU by 10 points over OSU in a heartbeat.
• thedynasty1998

  

  0311sdp;574108 wrote:I think we are all saying kind of the same thing here, 1) Boise State and TCU are both very good teams 2)but we don't know if they are good enough to play in the N/C game because they don't play anyone all season. As for Boise and TCU not slipping up in conference play, it is easier for them not to because the gap between them and the rest of their league is much greater than in the SEC, Big Ten , Big 12 , or PAC 10 conferences. They can play terrible and still most teams in their conference just don't have the horses to compete with them. OSU's schedule admittedly is not what it should be, next season it will be a lot better with the addition of Nebraska, and Colorado instead of a MAC school, also Miami may live up to expectations next season also. With the major conferences looking to expand Boise and TCU need to push to join one of them. (but I really don't think that they want to, it's much easier to cry hey look at me I'm undefeated and it's unfair that you won't let me in the big dance than to actually play and earn your way into the party.

  
  I agree with this
• cats gone wild

  0311sdp;574108 wrote: next season it will be a lot better with the addition of Nebraska, and Colorado instead of a MAC school, also Miami may live up to expectations next season also.

  Not really. Nebraska takes the place of Iowa next year.
  Colorado isnt any good.
  Miami was suppose to live up to the hype this year werent they? And they didnt, as I predicted at the very beginning of the year. Miami hasnt been good in a LONG time.
  So basically, not much difference next year, besides removing one MAC school and adding Colorado who isnt good.