Homosexuality vs. religion

• Con_Alma

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Ok, then I believe that Heaven is a bunch of dime chicks coupled with unlimited 40 oz. Budweisers and blunts of the best weed ever created. I mean, if God loves me then that is what Heaven should be right?

  
  If you are asking me if that's what Heaven should be I would disagree.
  
  If that's what you believe then I hope you have Peace with it but I will continue to share with you what I believe is true if there's an appropriate opportunity to.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  You're missing it. If sinning ISN'T A CHOICE that means it's going to happen no matter what you do about it, so how do you even make an effort to avoid it?
  
  And my parents gave me life, should I worship them as my God?
  Free will is inherent in every creature with a brain, not something that is given--though it can be taken away, and not by God.
  And eternal peace is self achieved and can be done in any number of different ways. Peace has a different definition to a lot of people.
• Series62

  In following the commandments of the Bible with Jesus as Lord and Savior, Christians strive to live free of sin, where we fall short, we have an advocate in Heaven, that is Jesus.
  
  On our day of judgment, the forgiveness that the Lord has for us was atoned for during His sacrificial death on the cross. But you have to believe, you have to accept his death on the cross as He died for our sins. For three days He lay in the grave and on the third day He did rise!
  
  To see Heaven, you must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. There is no other way!
  
  And SQ, your life on earth is not Heaven, nor are the "dime chicks, 40oz buds and the weed".
• Con_Alma

  SQ_Crazies wrote: You're missing it. If sinning ISN'T A CHOICE that means it's going to happen no matter what you do about it, so how do you even make an effort to avoid it?
  ...

  The way you make an effort is by trying. Isn't that how everyone makes an effort?
  
  Indeed I might be missing it. I do miss a lot of things.
  
  I don't believe your parents gave you spiritual life but if they did you should worship them if you had faith that they created your eternal spirit. You should follow whatever your heart. mind and spirit leads you to. That's the path we are speaking about isn't it.
  
  "...Free will is inherent in every creature with a brain, not something that is given--though it can be taken away, and not by God.
  And eternal peace is self achieved and can be done in any number of different ways. Peace has a different definition to a lot of people."
  
  I believe that free will is a product of those things created and made available to us.
  
  I agree that eternal peace is self-achieved. It's achieved by the choice of accepting Jesus Christ.
  
  I also agree that Peace has a different definition to a lot of people as does how to achieve it. I can only speak to my own definitions and ways towards it.
• Series62

  SQ_Crazies wrote: You're missing it. If sinning ISN'T A CHOICE that means it's going to happen no matter what you do about it, so how do you even make an effort to avoid it?
  
  And my parents gave me life, should I worship them as my God?
  Free will is inherent in every creature with a brain, not something that is given--though it can be taken away, and not by God.
  And eternal peace is self achieved and can be done in any number of different ways. Peace has a different definition to a lot of people.

  SQ, it's Wednesday, most churches have a Bible Study happening tonight. Take a chance and attend one and take the opportunity to ask the above question.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Series62 wrote: In following the commandments of the Bible with Jesus as Lord and Savior, Christians strive to live free of sin, where we fall short, we have an advocate in Heaven, that is Jesus.
  
  On our day of judgment, the forgiveness that the Lord has for us was atoned for during His sacrificial death on the cross. But you have to believe, you have to accept his death on the cross as He died for our sins. For three days He lay in the grave and on the third day He did rise!
  
  To see Heaven, you must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. There is no other way!
  
  And SQ, your life on earth is not Heaven, nor are the "dime chicks, 40oz buds and the weed".

  Well first of all, talking about people rising from the dead isn't going to get real far with me...lol, sounds like a good movie plot.
  
  And why? Why must I accept Jesus as my lord and savior? What did he save me from? And why isn't life Heaven, or my scenario? Have you seen Heaven?
• Series62

  Con_Alma wrote:
  I agree that eternal peace is self-achieved. It's achieved by the choice of accepting Jesus Christ.

  True peace is found in Jesus Christ!
  
  

  Con_Alma wrote: I also agree that Peace has a different definition to a lot of people as does how to achieve it. I can only speak to my own definitions and ways towards it.

  This is true, especially for those who don't know the Lord! And the world is showing you their condition.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I agree that eternal peace is self-achieved. It's achieved by the choice of accepting Jesus Christ.
  
  I also agree that Peace has a different definition to a lot of people as does how to achieve it. I can only speak to my own definitions and ways towards it.

  How can you say it can't be achieved otherwise? Especially if you can only speak to your own definitions?
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I also would really like someone to answer this, because I believe it got skipped over:
  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: So if you believe that The Communist Manifesto has a good message, could you consider it a bible and accept Karl Marx as your lord and savior and live by his word?

• Series62

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  Series62 wrote: In following the commandments of the Bible with Jesus as Lord and Savior, Christians strive to live free of sin, where we fall short, we have an advocate in Heaven, that is Jesus.
  
  On our day of judgment, the forgiveness that the Lord has for us was atoned for during His sacrificial death on the cross. But you have to believe, you have to accept his death on the cross as He died for our sins. For three days He lay in the grave and on the third day He did rise!
  
  To see Heaven, you must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. There is no other way!
  
  And SQ, your life on earth is not Heaven, nor are the "dime chicks, 40oz buds and the weed".

  Well first of all, talking about people rising from the dead isn't going to get real far with me...lol, sounds like a good movie plot.
  
  And why? Why must I accept Jesus as my lord and savior? What did he save me from? And why isn't life Heaven, or my scenario? Have you seen Heaven?

  It seems none of God's way of salvation has gotten real far with you.
  
  On our day of judgment, the forgiveness that the Lord has for us was atoned for during His sacrificial death on the cross. But you have to believe, you have to accept his death on the cross as He died for our sins. For three days He lay in the grave and on the third day He did rise!
  
  To see Heaven, you must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. There is no other way!
• SQ_Crazies

  

  If they told you the sky was falling at your church and you had to build a 1,000 foot tower in your backyard to help hold it up, how long would it take you to order the block?
• Series62

  SQ_Crazies wrote: I also would really like someone to answer this, because I believe it got skipped over:
  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: So if you believe that The Communist Manifesto has a good message, could you consider it a bible and accept Karl Marx as your lord and savior and live by his word?

  I've never read that book and do not intend to.
  Karl Marx was a man, not a god, and he's dead.
  His book is not the bible, nor can it could be considered to be one.
  It does not work (see fall of communism).
  That's why it got skipped over.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Series62 wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: I also would really like someone to answer this, because I believe it got skipped over:
  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: So if you believe that The Communist Manifesto has a good message, could you consider it a bible and accept Karl Marx as your lord and savior and live by his word?

  I've never read that book and do not intend to.
  Karl Marx was a man, not a god, and he's dead.
  His book is not the bible, nor can it could be considered to be one.
  It does not work (see fall of communism).
  That's why it got skipped over.

  LOL!
  
  Jesus wasn't a man? He isn't dead?! The Bible isn't a book?! Plenty of people around the world seem to think the Bible doesn't work any better than Communism. So does it matter if it works or not, and isn't it sort of unfair to say it doesn't work? I mean, I think I have a legit question.
• Series62

  SQ_Crazies wrote: If they told you the sky was falling at your church and you had to build a 1,000 foot tower in your backyard to help hold it up, how long would it take you to order the block?

  Is this the best you can do?
  
  Your attempts at ridicule are getting weaker!
• SQ_Crazies

  

  All you've done since I came into the thread is ridicule.
  
  That was a serious question, because you clearly don't question anything that comes from someone spreading God's word.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I do have another question.
  
  Do you consider smoking pot a sin?
• Series62

  SQ_Crazies wrote: All you've done since I came into the thread is ridicule.
  
  That was a serious question, because you clearly don't question anything that comes from someone spreading God's word.

  I've not ridiculed anyone. Everything that I've said can be substantiated with the Bible.
  
  If "they at the church" told me something like that it does not make it so.
  
  What my church teaches is the Bible. What I study, is the Bible. And if someone tells me something that cannot be found in the Bible and proven by it, yes, I will question it.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  And if someone tells me something that cannot be found in the Bible and proven by it, yes, I will question it.

  Liiiiiiike....science?!
• Series62

  I've not read anything in the Bible that speaks about "pot" in particular. However, anything that defiles your body is sinful! What real benefit do you derive from smoking pot?
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Series62 wrote: I've not read anything in the Bible that speaks about "pot" in particular. However, anything that defiles your body is sinful! What real benefit do you derive from smoking pot?

  I mean besides medicinal purposes...It's a natural herb that your precious god put on this earth, so I mean using that logic god was a stoner
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Series62 wrote: I've not read anything in the Bible that speaks about "pot" in particular. However, anything that defiles your body is sinful! What real benefit do you derive from smoking pot?

  Personally? Release, relaxation, enjoyment, experiences I wouldn't otherwise have, having a good time with friends, making everything more fun, making life less stressful.
  
  For others, it has MANY proven medical benefits, doctors advise it.
  
  I just wanted to say that if God is the Creator, then he created pot and man's desire to alter their minds (mankind has been finding ways to do this for thousands and thousands of years, it isn't a new concept), so there is no way that can be a sin, right? What kind of God would make that a sin?
  
  And walking defiles your body, is that sinful? Breathing defiles your body. Jacking your heart rate up to work out defiles your body. Sins?
• Series62

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  And if someone tells me something that cannot be found in the Bible and proven by it, yes, I will question it.

  Liiiiiiike....science?!

  When you consider the many elements, chemicals, forces of nature, natural structures, biology, etc, etc, you have to realize that God is an excellent scientist, engineer, doctor, etc. He is after all our Creator.
  
  All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Series62 wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  And if someone tells me something that cannot be found in the Bible and proven by it, yes, I will question it.

  Liiiiiiike....science?!

  When you consider the many elements, chemicals, forces of nature, natural structures, biology, etc, etc, you have to realize that God is an excellent scientist, engineer, doctor, etc. He is after all our Creator.
  
  All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

  That is just a ridiculous statement
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Then with that line of thinking why wouldn't people spin evolution to say that God created creatures with time-release genes? lol
• Series62

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  Series62 wrote: I've not read anything in the Bible that speaks about "pot" in particular. However, anything that defiles your body is sinful! What real benefit do you derive from smoking pot?

  Personally? Release, relaxation, enjoyment, experiences I wouldn't otherwise have, having a good time with friends, making everything more fun, making life less stressful.
  
  For others, it has MANY proven medical benefits, doctors advise it.
  
  I just wanted to say that if God is the Creator, then he created pot and man's desire to alter their minds (mankind has been finding ways to do this for thousands and thousands of years, it isn't a new concept), so there is no way that can be a sin, right? What kind of God would make that a sin?
  
  And walking defiles your body, is that sinful? Breathing defiles your body. Jacking your heart rate up to work out defiles your body. Sins?

  I don't smoke or drink, I'm not stressed out, I can relax and have a good time with friends without drink or drugs. My peace and relaxation comes from my relationship with God. It's not to say that I don't have difficulties of life, stressful moments, etc. My release however comes through prayer and meditation on His word because I know that He "abides" (there's that word again) with me.
  
  True, the earth contains all that we need to maintain life. There is however the tendency of man to over indulge in some of these things which can lead to destruction, i.e., sin!
  
  Walking is not sinful. Perhaps, where you walk to might lead to sin of course.
  Breathing is not sinful. Depending on of course what you are breathing in (pot/cigarette smoke).
  Working out as in exercise is a method of improving your health, not sinful.