Is Being Gay "Normal?"

• isadore

  Thinthickbigred;1083842 wrote:Not really sure what your getting at . Its my opinion that mating with the same sex is not a normal behavior by any species. I am not saying that you cannot be born with that trait . I just dont know . I am trying to look at it in a scientific manner . ive herd gay people say that other animal species can be homosexual , so Im looking at it in that way . Listen just put it simply . Can any species continue to exist if it does not reproduce?
  If you answer no ,then you have to agree that being homosexual is not "NORMAL".
  Thats all im saying . Im not an advocate for any party here .

  I am glad to see you are thinking about it and trying to approach it in "a scientific manner." So much of who we are is predetermined, with our physical characteristics, our intellect to a large extent, even aspects of our personality. Gays are born with an attraction to their own sex. Slightly off point but with your worry about reproduction it is my understanding that with many species of birds, fish and mammals there are within groups alpha, beta and omega males. Usually only one alpha male per group and only he is allowed to mate. And those species survive quite well. I would not be surprised if members of these species were born with some disposition to be alpha, beta or omega. I would guess at this site that beside me there may be 4 or 5 other alpha males, the rest should not be mating for the betterment of the species.
• I Wear Pants

  Thinthickbigred;1083842 wrote:Not really sure what your getting at . Its my opinion that mating with the same sex is not a normal behavior by any species. I am not saying that you cannot be born with that trait . I just dont know . I am trying to look at it in a scientific manner . ive herd gay people say that other animal species can be homosexual , so Im looking at it in that way . Listen just put it simply . Can any species continue to exist if it does not reproduce?
  If you answer no ,then you have to agree that being homosexual is not "NORMAL".
  Thats all im saying . Im not an advocate for any party here .

  Are you really worried about us not having enough kids because of gay people?
• GoPens

  

  I Wear Pants;1083925 wrote:Are you really worried about us not having enough kids because of gay people?

  I've always wondered if homosexuality was somehow natures way to help curb overpopulation. If that's the case, we need more gay people in the world.
• Skyhook79

  

  GoPens;1083936 wrote:I've always wondered if homosexuality was somehow natures way to help curb overpopulation. If that's the case, we need more gay people in the world.

  How, because of Aids?
• I Wear Pants

  Skyhook79;1083941 wrote:How, because of Aids?

  What?
• Skyhook79

  

  I Wear Pants;1083954 wrote:What?

  What?
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1083684 wrote:"The age of consent doesn't respect the clear differences in young people's development, and as such 'punishes' the fast developers in order to protect the slow developing." 287# 1/5/12 on the discharged for being gay thread# According to you "fast developing" children are being punished by being denied sex with adults. Your only caveat for keeping the age of consent was that we have not yet found a suitable method to identify the fast developing. Which of course implies that once it is found sex with fast developing children is endorsed by you.
  

  Endorsed? No. That's you word not mine. I explained in detail my position. The short answer is has nothing to do with the ability to marry and enter into a contract. My retort to your questioning remains that the age of consent should not be changed even though it's flawed.
  
  That doesn't mean anyone not of legal age should be able to enter into a relationship contract.
  
  Adults, however, should be.
• dwccrew

  

  isadore;1083758 wrote:But in Christian dominated Europe, North and South America the movement is to tolerance despite what you read from some on this site. In Muslim dominated nations the persecution continues unabated.

  What does muslim nations have to do with anything on this topic? You brought up how Christian fundamentalists like Fred Phelps and the posters that you were referring to as Fred Phelps-esque. I was agreeing with you that Christians do their best to try and deny gays their rights and liberty.
• I Wear Pants

  Skyhook79;1083970 wrote:What?

  I can't tell if you were making a joke or genuinely think there is a link between aids and gay people.
• isadore

  dwccrew;1083976 wrote:What does muslim nations have to do with anything on this topic? You brought up how Christian fundamentalists like Fred Phelps and the posters that you were referring to as Fred Phelps-esque. I was agreeing with you that Christians do their best to try and deny gays their rights and liberty.

  I thought you were alluding to discussions on other threads, my mistake. Some Christians do very much try to deny gays their basic rights as can be seen on this thread.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1083975 wrote:Endorsed? No. That's you word not mine. I explained in detail my position. The short answer is has nothing to do with the ability to marry and enter into a contract. My retort to your questioning remains that the age of consent should not be changed even though it's flawed.
  
  That doesn't mean anyone not of legal age should be able to enter into a relationship contract.
  
  Adults, however, should be.

  So you want a future situation where with the proper measurement procedure it will be ok to have sex with "fast developing children" but not to marry them.
  I am against the marriage or the sex with children. You endorse incestuous marriage.
  And I am against it because of the harm they do to the off spring and to the family.
• Thinthickbigred

  isadore;1083889 wrote:I am glad to see you are thinking about it and trying to approach it in "a scientific manner." So much of who we are is predetermined, with our physical characteristics, our intellect to a large extent, even aspects of our personality. Gays are born with an attraction to their own sex. Slightly off point but with your worry about reproduction it is my understanding that with many species of birds, fish and mammals there are within groups alpha, beta and omega males. Usually only one alpha male per group and only he is allowed to mate. And those species survive quite well. I would not be surprised if members of these species were born with some disposition to be alpha, beta or omega. I would guess at this site that beside me there may be 4 or 5 other alpha males, the rest should not be mating for the betterment of the species.

  Im not worried at all about it . Not one bit . I dont hate anybody . Im just saying the question at hand asks is being gay normal . I say how can it be ? Forget the political correctness . Why would two male insects try to reproduce ? It doesnt happen and if it does its a gene flaw or some other flaw in the DNA . Im not even thinking biblical here . Im just talking common sense . Im not saying being gay is an abomonation ,or its just wrong morally or that all gays have a choice . im not trying to answer those questions . Im trying to answer the question of it being normal . and like Ive said severl times I think its abnormal . . I think people who are trying to say its normal and acceptable are brainwashed by the left wing media . plain and simple . If you think being a homosexual is normal your brainwashed .
  PS You may be an "Alpha Dog" dont know dont care .
• I Wear Pants

  isadore;1084004 wrote:So you want a future situation where with the proper measurement procedure it will be ok to have sex with "fast developing children" but not to marry them.
  I am against the marriage or the sex with children.
  And I am against incestuous marriages which you endorse because of the harm they do to the off spring and to the family.

  Did you just lazily ignore grammar rules in the last sentence or are you saying that Con Alma likes incestuous marriages because of the harm it can do?
• I Wear Pants

  Thinthickbigred;1084020 wrote:Im not worried at all about it . Not one bit . I dont hate anybody . Im just saying the question at hand asks is being gay normal . I say how can it be ? Forget the political correctness . Why would two male insects try to reproduce ? It doesnt happen and if it does its a gene flaw or some other flaw in the DNA . Im not even thinking biblical here . Im just talking common sense . Im not saying being gay is an abomonation ,or its just wrong morally or that all gays have a choice . im not trying to answer those questions . Im trying to answer the question of it being normal . and like Ive said severl times I think its abnormal . . I think people who are trying to say its normal and acceptable are brainwashed by the left wing media . plain and simple . If you think being a homosexual is normal your brainwashed .
  PS You may be an "Alpha Dog" dont know dont care .

  We first need to define what we mean by normal to even have this debate. People have been using different meanings all throughout this thread.
• Thinthickbigred

  I Wear Pants;1083925 wrote:Are you really worried about us not having enough kids because of gay people?

  I am just posing the logical question .. A man is born with male reproductive parts . A woman is born with female reproductive parts . A man is supposed to mate with a woman to concieve . You cant make a baby by mating with your own gender . That is not Normal . Hense the question on this topic . To any gay person out there . I dont mean to be insensitive ,but Im just trying to get the point across . I believe people are not answering the right question when they vote on this poll . There is nothing normal about being gay .. Lets put it like this . there is nothing normal about being born an albino.
• Thinthickbigred

  I Wear Pants;1084026 wrote:We first need to define what we mean by normal to even have this debate. People have been using different meanings all throughout this thread.

  Its true in everyday life and peoples personalities that I dont believe there is a so called "normal " type of person ,however when it comes to being a homosexual whether its been born in you or not is not normal scientifically .
• dwccrew

  

  Thinthickbigred;1084034 wrote: You cant make a baby by mating with your own species .

  Wtf? Yeah you can. Human females are the same species as human males.
• Thinthickbigred

  dwccrew;1084040 wrote:Wtf? Yeah you can. Human females are the same species as human males.

  Ok thank you I misspoke . you cant reproduce with your same gender sorry for the inconvienence
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1084004 wrote:So you want a future situation where with the proper measurement procedure it will be ok to have sex with "fast developing children" but not to marry them. ...

  
  Nope.
  
  I am against raising the age of consent even with it's current flaws.
  
  I am against children being able to enter into a contract.
  
  I am for all adults being able to enter into a contract of their own will.
• isadore

  Thinthickbigred;1084020 wrote:Im not worried at all about it . Not one bit . I dont hate anybody . Im just saying the question at hand asks is being gay normal . I say how can it be ? Forget the political correctness . Why would two male insects try to reproduce ? It doesnt happen and if it does its a gene flaw or some other flaw in the DNA . Im not even thinking biblical here . Im just talking common sense . Im not saying being gay is an abomonation ,or its just wrong morally or that all gays have a choice . im not trying to answer those questions . Im trying to answer the question of it being normal . and like Ive said severl times I think its abnormal . . I think people who are trying to say its normal and acceptable are brainwashed by the left wing media . plain and simple . If you think being a homosexual is normal your brainwashed .
  PS You may be an "Alpha Dog" dont know dont care .

  According to you, Gays are abnormal. They are flawed, because they do not wish to have sex with the opposite sex. And you also write “ I also believe some gays are not necessarily born gay . I believe at least some have learned this either through life's experiences or parenting and possible abuse “ So some are abnormal and flawed by choice. So should they be reeducated so they will no longer be
  And where have I heard these terms used, humans that are abnormal and flawed because they are not carrying out a “necessary” human function. These are the terms and ideas of eugenics. We saw what that lead to in America and in Nazi Germany. The Nazis applied the final solution to those they considered abnormal the mentally ill, mentally challenged, physically challenged and homosexual. You have found some allies thinthick.
  
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1084116 wrote:Nope.
  
  I am against raising the age of consent even with it's current flaws.
  
  I am against children being able to enter into a contract.
  
  I am for all adults being able to enter into a contract of their own will.

  "The age of consent doesn't respect the clear differences in young people's development, and as such 'punishes' the fast developers in order to protect the slow developing." 287# 1/5/12 on the discharged for being gay thread#
  Incest causes harm to the off spring and leads to abuse in the family situation. It is a set up for the Warren Jeffs and Joseph Frizl’s of this world.
  
• I Wear Pants

  Thinthickbigred;1084034 wrote:I am just posing the logical question .. A man is born with male reproductive parts . A woman is born with female reproductive parts . A man is supposed to mate with a woman to concieve . You cant make a baby by mating with your own gender . That is not Normal . Hense the question on this topic . To any gay person out there . I dont mean to be insensitive ,but Im just trying to get the point across . I believe people are not answering the right question when they vote on this poll . There is nothing normal about being gay .. Lets put it like this . there is nothing normal about being born an albino.

  I think we're using different definitions of normal. You seem to be using the normal that implies statistically more frequent, others are using normal as in "there is nothing wrong with it". We just need to decide whether we're talking about "is it common" or "is it ok".
  
  And your re-educating statement indicates that you really don't have a clue.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1084135 wrote:"The age of consent doesn't respect the clear differences in young people's development, and as such 'punishes' the fast developers in order to protect the slow developing." 287# 1/5/12 on the discharged for being gay thread#
  Incest causes harm to the off spring and leads to abuse in the family situation. It is a set up for the Warren Jeffs and Joseph Frizl’s of this world.
  

  Even though it doesn't respect the clear differences it is still exists and isn't going to change based on an adult being denying there basic right to enter into a contract.
  
  The two have nothing to do with each other and are not related in any way.
• Thinthickbigred

  isadore;1084128 wrote:According to you, Gays are abnormal. They are flawed, because they do not wish to have sex with the opposite sex. And you also write “ I also believe some gays are not necessarily born gay . I believe at least some have learned this either through life's experiences or parenting and possible abuse “ So some are abnormal and flawed by choice. So should they be reeducated so they will no longer be
  And where have I heard these terms used, humans that are abnormal and flawed because they are not carrying out a “necessary” human function. These are the terms and ideas of eugenics. We saw what that lead to in America and in Nazi Germany. The Nazis applied the final solution to those they considered abnormal the mentally ill, mentally challenged, physically challenged and homosexual. You have found some allies thinthick.
  

  Listen . I dont hate gays . Im not anti gay . I never said we should fix anything . I believe people should be able to do whatever they want to do behind closed doors . Unless its with a child . All I ever said was what I believe. I dont think being a homosexual is normal in a scientific manner . Normal being its not the norm . Its a small minority of people that have this disorder . Yes I believe it is either a genetic disorder or a learned disorder . I am not a medical or scientific expert . Im not a moral authority either . I am strongly against the far right wing nazi movement and FOX news media propaganda garbage if you must know . I am a liberal believe it or not. Gays dont bother me one bit . I dont care . I am mearly answering the question as to whether I think its normal . I think not . Like I have said before . Being born an albino is not normal . Being born with a defect is not normal . Understand were Im coming from . I dont propose any penalty for gay marriages or anything like that . I cannot stand the moral far right wing . I just cant understand how anybody could say being attracted to the same gender is normal . It is not normal .
  Diversity is a good thing . If you are gay ,I dont propose you think ill of yourself . Whoever said normal was a good word? Whoever said not being normal was bad ? I said niether .
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Thinthick, this is a very honest question . Why do you put spaces after your periods ?