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tcarrier32;1057794 wrote:Parents are being charged criminally when they choose to pray for the health of their child rather than seek medical attention. This usually only happens with Christian Science believers, but the judicial system (and the jury) tend to agree that prayer is not sufficient medical attention... wonder why?

They also agreed that Casey Anthony and OJ are not guilty too...

Steel Valley Football

friendfromlowry;1057811 wrote:I'll suggest you're an idiot but I already knew that anyways. Have fun.

If you could read, you wouldn't have stated that I suggested praying has any correlation to cancer. That seemed to be your whole argument, no? The bulk of it anyway. Now, you are resorting to name calling.

Bigred1995

We got to pray just to make it today

...

All my life I wanted to make it to the top! Some said I wouldn't, they told me no,but I didn't stop
Working hard,making those movies everyday
And on my knees every night,you know I pray

Now I just think that you can do what ever you want.
We got to pray just to make it today

Con_Alma

sleeper;1057510 wrote:I am not meaning to be demeaning. When you present people with logic that refutes their belief system, they are going to get upset. No one likes when they are wrong, and its hard for the human mind to rationalize something that doesn't hold any logical weight. This is basic human psychology and is well documented. I suppose I need links as well to explain basic psychology to people, unfortunately wikipedia is not working today.

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Logic cannot disprove my belief system for the belief system itself isn't based on logic. The power and presence of the Holy Spirit are instilling the faith. Logic cannot disprove the presence of such a spirit.

Con_Alma

sleeper;1057546 wrote:Exactly. Faith is illogical, by definition.

Agreed. Logic cannot refute the presence of faith.

friendfromlowry

The bold is from post #9.

Steel Valley Football;1057859 wrote:There are effects of prayer that are not fully understood. Much like people who beat cancer due to positive outlooks and attitudes, which science has no explanation for.

If you could read, you wouldn't have stated that I suggested praying has any correlation to cancer.

Hmmm....

Anyways, the bulk of my argument was telling you to leave the medical phenomenons. You propose there are people who beat cancer entirely from thinking positive while the scientific community doesn't understand. I'm asking you how do you know this? What examples do you have? I see examples every time I go to work of people who have positive outlooks but aren't surviving.
Who knows, you might be right. But do you have proof or are you just pulling this out of your ass? Meanwhile you're telling me I'm the one who's speculating and being irrelevant and pretending I'm a doctor.

HitsRus

Bigred1995;1057860 wrote:We got to pray just to make it today

...

All my life I wanted to make it to the top! Some said I wouldn't, they told me no,but I didn't stop
Working hard,making those movies everyday
And on my knees every night,you know I pray

Now I just think that you can do what ever you want.
We got to pray just to make it today

LOL...reps for using Hammer as a reference.

Steel Valley Football

friendfromlowry;1058084 wrote:The bold is from post #9.

Hmmm....

Anyways, the bulk of my argument was telling you to leave the medical phenomenons. You propose there are people who beat cancer entirely from thinking positive while the scientific community doesn't understand. I'm asking you how do you know this? What examples do you have? I see examples every time I go to work of people who have positive outlooks but aren't surviving.
Who knows, you might be right. But do you have proof or are you just pulling this out of your ass? Meanwhile you're telling me I'm the one who's speculating and being irrelevant and pretending I'm a doctor.

I was right. You can't read.

I compared the enigmatic phenomenon of the mind helping to heal the body (using cancer as an example) to prayer helping people's minds/bodies simply because they believe it works. The ONLY correlation being that both are unknown entities.

Somehow, you took that as me saying that prayer heals cancer. Then you foolishly asked why people don't just pray to heal all their cancer/sickness.

Can you see now how you missed the point?

Devils Advocate

Proof that God does not listen ( or does not care)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46054377/ns/local_news-charlotte_nc/

Or has a sick sense of humor... I mean hell, she even twittered "thank you god for one more year of life"

friendfromlowry

You're really having a difficult time with this, huh. Well, we can try one more time. I'll even break it down piece by piece and that should make it easier for you to understand. Here goes.

Steel Valley Football;1058977 wrote:I was right. You can't read.

You're right, I should be more like you. Kinda like how you claimed I was pretending to be a doctor when in fact I've never once mentioned that in this thread or hell even this website. Take your own advice and learn to read or think or whatever it is you can't do.

Steel Valley Football;1058977 wrote: I compared the enigmatic phenomenon of the mind helping to heal the body (using cancer as an example) to prayer helping people's minds/bodies simply because they believe it works.

Here was the original post, and I will go ahead and bold what I called you out on:
"There are effects of prayer that are not fully understood. Much like people who beat cancer due to positive outlooks and attitudes, which science has no explanation for."

(I like how you left the bold part out, by the way.) So what I did was ask you for an example of one of these medical miracles. My guess is you're just assuming these types of people are out there. Here's another way to look at it and perhaps you can see where the breakdown in communication is occurring.

Example:
friendfromlowry: I think praying is a lot like flying pigs -- they're both amazing!
steel valley football: Hey, what are flying pigs? I've never seen one so I don't understand your comparison of the two. Can you clarify?
friendfromlowry: (insert clarification of what flying pigs here)

Here's what our convo looks like instead:
steel valley football: Praying isn't understood, kind of like a really sick cancer patient who overcomes the odds because of their positive attitude.
friendfromlowry: Hey, who are these people you're talking about? As an experienced medical professional, I'm wondering if you know what you're talking about. I agree that a positive attitude is crucial in overcoming any serious disease, but it never works beyond scientific understanding.
steel valley football: (instead of clarification, insert a half-dozen posts on how friendfromlowry can't read and is speculating and using unfounded facts)

So you see where the problem is, right?

Just to sum things up, I don't have a problem with the proposal that people pray because they think it helps. Whatever gets you through the day, who cares. What I'm asking you is who are these people that are beating out disease beyond scientific reasoning? Do you have any examples? How do you know they exist and are in fact beating out while stumping the scientific community?

Steel Valley Football;1058977 wrote: Somehow, you took that as me saying that prayer heals cancer. Then you foolishly asked why people don't just pray to heal all their cancer/sickness.
"There are effects of prayer that are not fully understood. Much like people who beat cancer due to positive outlooks and attitudes, which science has no explanation for"

Everything has been underlined and bolded for you. What more can I do to emphasize what YOU are saying??

Steel Valley Football;1058977 wrote: If you could read, you wouldn't have stated that I suggested praying has any correlation to cancer. That seemed to be your whole argument, no?[ QUOTE]

This was from a couple days ago but I just wanted to emphasize how my original argument was asking you about the miracle patients you claimed existed.

Steel Valley Football;1058977 wrote: If you could read, you wouldn't have stated that I suggested praying has any correlation to cancer…… I compared the enigmatic phenomenon of the mind helping to heal the body (using cancer as an example) to prayer helping people's minds/bodies simply because they believe it works.

Blah blah blah and so on and so forth. You're contradict yourself all over the damn thread but it's getting late and this is too easy. Do you have any answers for the questions I asked or should I expect more of "If you could read then you'd see I didn't compare cancer and praying because you're not reading and you fail at reading and don't read as well as I do because you use unfounded facts and don't read blah blah"
Oh and make sure you remind me what the unfounded facts were, by the way. Can't stress that enough.

friendfromlowry

You're really having a difficult time with this, huh. Well, we can try one more time. I'll even break it down piece by piece and that should make it easier for you to understand. Here goes.

I was right. You can't read.

You're right, I should be more like you. Kinda like how you claimed I was pretending to be a doctor when in fact I've never once mentioned that in this thread or hell even this website. Take your own advice and learn to read or think or whatever it is you can't do.

I compared the enigmatic phenomenon of the mind helping to heal the body (using cancer as an example) to prayer helping people's minds/bodies simply because they believe it works.

Here was the original post, and I will go ahead and bold what I called you out on:
"There are effects of prayer that are not fully understood. Much like people who beat cancer due to positive outlooks and attitudes, which science has no explanation for."

(I like how you left the bold part out, by the way.) So what I did was ask you for an example of one of these medical miracles. My guess is you're just assuming these types of people are out there. Here's another way to look at it and perhaps you can see where the breakdown in communication is occurring.

Example:
friendfromlowry: I think praying is a lot like flying pigs -- they're both amazing!
steel valley football: Hey, what are flying pigs? I've never seen one so I don't understand your comparison of the two. Can you clarify?
friendfromlowry: (insert clarification of what flying pigs here)

Here's what our convo looks like instead:
steel valley football: Praying isn't understood, kind of like a really sick cancer patient who overcomes the odds because of their positive attitude.
friendfromlowry: Hey, who are these people you're talking about? As an experienced medical professional, I'm wondering if you know what you're talking about. I agree that a positive attitude is crucial in overcoming any serious disease, but it never works beyond scientific understanding.
steel valley football: (instead of clarification, insert a half-dozen posts on how friendfromlowry can't read and is speculating and using unfounded facts)

So you see where the problem is, right?

Just to sum things up, I don't have a problem with the proposal that people pray because they think it helps. Whatever gets you through the day, who cares. What I'm asking you is who are these people that are beating out disease beyond scientific reasoning? Do you have any examples? How do you know they exist and are in fact beating out while stumping the scientific community?

Somehow, you took that as me saying that prayer heals cancer. Then you foolishly asked why people don't just pray to heal all their cancer/sickness.

"There are effects of prayer that are not fully understood. Much like people who beat cancer due to positive outlooks and attitudes, which science has no explanation for"

Everything has been underlined and bolded for you. What more can I do to emphasize what YOU are saying??

If you could read, you wouldn't have stated that I suggested praying has any correlation to cancer. That seemed to be your whole argument, no?

This was from a couple days ago but I just wanted to emphasize how my original argument was asking you about the miracle patients you claimed existed.

If you could read, you wouldn't have stated that I suggested praying has any correlation to cancer…… I compared the enigmatic phenomenon of the mind helping to heal the body (using cancer as an example) to prayer helping people's minds/bodies simply because they believe it works.

Blah blah blah and so on and so forth. You're contradict yourself all over the damn thread but it's getting late and this is too easy. Do you have any answers for the questions I asked or should I expect more of "If you could read then you'd see I didn't compare cancer and praying because you're not reading and you fail at reading and don't read as well as I do because you use unfounded facts and don't read blah blah"
Oh and make sure you remind me what the unfounded facts were, by the way. Can't stress that enough.

Steel Valley Football

tl;dnr

Raw Dawgin' it

Steel Valley Football;1060022 wrote:tl;dr

+1, no one has time to read and respond to a novel.

friendfromlowry

Steel Valley Football;1060022 wrote:No response, because I've been an idiot about this whole thing

FIFY.

dlazz

friendfromlowry;1060076 wrote:FIFY.

Yo I read it son, and you're right bro.

Steel Valley Football

Still did not read.

I do know this for a fact though. If you believe in God, cancer can not touch you. If you pray every day, you will never have to go to the doctor; ever again. If you say Jesus' name three times before you bang a whore, you CAN NOT get AIDS.

Period.

dlazz

Steel Valley Football;1060091 wrote:Still did not read.

I do know this for a fact though. If you believe in God, cancer can not touch you. If you pray every day, you will never have to go to the doctor; ever again. If you say Jesus' name three times before you bang a whore, you CAN NOT get AIDS.

Period.

You're being sarcastic, but there are too many people in this world who actually think this way.

friendfromlowry

dlazz;1060100 wrote:You're being sarcastic, but there are too many people in this world who actually think this way.

He might be serious. He's not exactly smart.

Heretic

Steel Valley Football;1060091 wrote:Still did not read.

I do know this for a fact though. If you believe in God, cancer can not touch you. If you pray every day, you will never have to go to the doctor; ever again. If you say Jesus' name three times before you bang a whore, you CAN NOT get AIDS.

Period.

Do you have to say "JESUS" three times in a row right before sticking it in or how does the "not getting AIDS" bit work? Plz respond before 7 p.m.

tcarrier32

Heretic;1060235 wrote:Do you have to say "JESUS" three times in a row right before sticking it in or how does the "not getting AIDS" bit work? Plz respond before 7 p.m.

you must dip your penis in holy water while saying three hail mary's. also, i've heard Peter Popoff's dental dams do wonders

I Wear Pants

dlazz;1060100 wrote:You're being sarcastic, but there are too many people in this world who actually think this way.

Far, far too many.

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