Why do you pray?

• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056579 wrote:Yes. And I spent 19 years being very much Catholic. (Alter serving, etc, etc) (no, not getting raped).

  Catholic, that's the problem. That is where so many people have problems with religion, it stems from Catholicism. I could go on for days about them.
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056583 wrote:No, I keep trying to figure out how someone who isn't part of organized religion believes in the bible. And if they believe in only parts of the bible how they decided which ones to believe in and which they believe to be untrue.

  You would have to ask each individual person.
  
  As for me, I believe that the latter writings were embellished
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056584 wrote:Catholic, that's the problem. That is where so many people have problems with religion, it stems from Catholicism. I could go on for days about them.

  Lol wut.
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056587 wrote:You would have to ask each individual person.
  
  As for me, I believe that the latter writings were embellished

  Care to define more? Does that mean NT is out and OT is true or what?
  
  And if so is it all of it or do you pick and choose like everyone else does?
• LJ

  

  I also believe everything has an answer.
  
  Have you ever seen the show "the science behind the bible"?
  
  Basically, that describes my beliefs.
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1056584 wrote:Catholic, that's the problem. That is where so many people have problems with religion, it stems from Catholicism. I could go on for days about them.

  Why stop there? Islam is pretty bad. Jews are weird(no offense MB), Mormonism is quacked out, Scientology is based on modern day fiction, etc.
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056588 wrote:Lol wut.

  Catholics make up their own rules and call it "the word of God"
  
  I forget what it was, but they basically flip flopped on something being a sin twice in 1 year recently.
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1056592 wrote:Why stop there? Islam is pretty bad. Jews are weird(no offense MB), Mormonism is quacked out, Scientology is based on modern day fiction, etc.

  I have a problem with many major organized religions.
• I Wear Pants

  I find it funny that so many people who call themselves Christians rag on Catholics and yet Catholics are Christian. (Incoming "Catholics aren't Christian" post).
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056590 wrote:Care to define more? Does that mean NT is out and OT is true or what?
  
  And if so is it all of it or do you pick and choose like everyone else does?

  No, I believe that the Catholic church has gotten their hands on things throughout the years and put their own little BS parts in it here and there.
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056594 wrote:Catholics make up their own rules and call it "the word of God"
  
  I forget what it was, but they basically flip flopped on something being a sin twice in 1 year recently.

  Lol, show me one religion that doesn't do the exact same.
• Mulva

  

  LJ;1056587 wrote:As for me, I believe that the latter writings were embellished

  Just out of curiosity, does that mean you believe the Old Testament wasn't?
• LJ

  

  Mulva;1056603 wrote:Just out of curiosity, does that mean you believe the Old Testament wasn't?

  Well yeah, many of those parts are a given. C'mon, 213423453 years old :laugh:
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056602 wrote:Lol, show me one religion that doesn't do the exact same.

  So now you are trying to defend Catholicism?
  
  I don't know of any other religion that makes rules on the fly like Catholicism
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056601 wrote:No, I believe that the Catholic church has gotten their hands on things throughout the years and put their own little BS parts in it here and there.

  So you believe there is some pure, true Bible that has been lost to time? (IE: The bible was true and then got fuckered with).
  
  I hope you can see why that's hard for people to come to grips with as it seems a convenient way to denounce organized religion but still hold religious beliefs (no, I'm not saying you're in an organized religion just I'm not seeing the separation there).
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056605 wrote:Well yeah, many of those parts are a given. C'mon, 213423453 years old :laugh:

  So the NT is embellished as well as the OT?
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056610 wrote:So you believe there is some pure, true Bible that has been lost to time? (IE: The bible was true and then got fuckered with).
  
  I hope you can see why that's hard for people to come to grips with as it seems a convenient way to denounce organized religion but still hold religious beliefs (no, I'm not saying you're in an organized religion just I'm not seeing the separation there).

  Or some people just have different beliefs than others? I don't know why that is so hard for you to come to grips with.
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056613 wrote:So the NT is embellished as well as the OT?

  Yes parts.
  
  See my post about "the science behind the bible"
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056608 wrote:So now you are trying to defend Catholicism?
  
  I don't know of any other religion that makes rules on the fly like Catholicism

  They all do. Official interpretations of shit have changed all the time in all the religions. Catholics just have a public bureaucracy because well, they used to be the government essentially (still are in at least a tiny capacity).
• LJ

  

  I'm going to bed, 5am comes fast
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056617 wrote:Yes parts.
  
  See my post about "the science behind the bible"

  For the sake of me not having to go steal that show right now, can you give me some passages/parts you believe to be true and/or quote or paraphrase some of the show so I can understand it?
  
  Just saw the post above, will steal it.
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1056616 wrote:Or some people just have different beliefs than others? I don't know why that is so hard for you to come to grips with.

  It's always interesting when logic will never win their debate, believers are always quick to point out there right or entitlement to believe whatever they want.
  
  Really? Never knew that.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  I wear pants, next time don't post such a long ass picture...what the fuck is that shit
• HitsRus

  

  Oh, you pseudo intellectuals who try to debunk spiritualism by attacking the man made elements of religion....like your freakin' finite minds are the pinnacle of evolution capable of disproving something beyond your 5 senses. You are a pimple of cells on a small planet circling a third rate star 2/3 of the way out from the center of one galaxy among millions of galaxies. Religion is about connection, and to that end, all that is important, is that you find your connection. It isn't about logic, it's about relationship. That you don't get it is nobody's loss but your own.
• I Wear Pants

  I hate agreeing with sleeper. But he's right, unless I say "you should not be allowed to have your beliefs" it should be assumed that I know you are perfectly entitled to believe what I want. When debating or questioning though people are going to challenge your beliefs/lack of/whatever and they should, sort of how that works. I'm not saying you aren't allowed to believe something if I try to prove or state that I feel it's hogwash, I'm saying I feel it's the wrong position. Just like people can and do disagree with me on any other topic.