Why do you pray?

• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1057410 wrote:It is not for me to prove or disprove my faith in a creator. It is not me that acts first, it is God when it comes to someone elses faith.
  
  Sleeper has been made aware of the Gospel. It is his to do as he chooses.

  Again, the wall of "I can believe whatever I want" has been hit. Embarrassing.
• sleeper

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1057400 wrote:lol you are such a politician.

  Ok. I suppose claims do not have to be proven. That's simply not how the world works, only in religion can you make a claim and base its validity on whether someone can disprove it or not.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1057420 wrote:Again, the wall of "I can believe whatever I want" has been hit. Embarrassing.

  Whatever I want??
  
  
  No. That's not my position at all.
  
  
  Are you suggesting that I can't believe "whatever I want" though?
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  sleeper;1057423 wrote:Ok. I suppose claims do not have to be proven. That's simply not how the world works, only in religion can you make a claim and base its validity on whether someone can disprove it or not.

  this coming from the guy always asking for links and quotes to back up arguments.
  
  It's not my job to google these studies you reference, put a link, other wise you're talking out of your ass and still just giving your opinion.
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057399 wrote::rolleyes:
  
  How about you provide a link to these supposed "studeis" you cite? Or are you full of ****?

  http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zuckerman/Zuckerman_on_Atheism.pdf
  
  Here you go LJ. As requested.
• sleeper

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1057428 wrote:this coming from the guy always asking for links and quotes to back up arguments.
  
  It's not my job to google these studies you reference, put a link, other wise you're talking out of your ass and still just giving your opinion.

  Apparently, I am the only person on these forums who has to provide links to everything that I say. It's embarrassing that the majority on this forum need links to explain common sense and logic.
• rmolin73

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1057428 wrote:this coming from the guy always asking for links and quotes to back up arguments.
  
  It's not my job to google these studies you reference, put a link, other wise you're talking out of your ass and still just giving your opinion.

  That's all the clown does.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1057426 wrote:Whatever I want??
  
  
  No. That's not my position at all.
  
  
  Are you suggesting that I can't believe "whatever I want" though?

  No, I think you should be able to believe whatever it is you want. Whether its illogical is all I'm trying to argue. Like I've posted on this thread alone about 8 times, I find it hilarious that whenever presented with an irrefutable logical statement believers are quick to point out their right to believe what they want to believe. It's embarrassing.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  sleeper;1057432 wrote:Apparently, I am the only person on these forums who has to provide links to everything that I say. It's embarrassing that the majority on this forum need links to explain common sense and logic.

  shut up idiot, it's because you constantly ask for them and then when someone doesn't give you one you say some bullshit about logic and reasoning...like you're doing now.
  
  Links or what you're saying is just smoke screens to back your opinion
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1057429 wrote:http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zuckerman/Zuckerman_on_Atheism.pdf
  
  Here you go LJ. As requested.

  Thanks for a link that has nothing to do with what you said
  

  [LEFT]This essay has presented what social scientists currently know about atheists and secular[/LEFT][LEFT]people in relation to personal and societal well-being. The numerous studies cited aboveprovide information about who tends to be irreligious as well as what atheists and secular[/LEFT]people tend to believe and do.
  

• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057439 wrote:Thanks for a link that has nothing to do with what you said

  Really? You read the entire study in 3 minutes? LOL
  
  I can only lead you to a water fountain, I cannot make you drink.
• sleeper

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1057438 wrote:shut up idiot, it's because you constantly ask for them and then when someone doesn't give you one you say some bull**** about logic and reasoning...like you're doing now.
  
  Links or what you're saying is just smoke screens to back your opinion

  This is trolling/flaming. A greater man would be banned to the basement for an indefinite amount of time for this comment.
• rmolin73

  

  Sleeperfails# again and again.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1057437 wrote:No, I think you should be able to believe whatever it is you want. Whether its illogical is all I'm trying to argue. Like I've posted on this thread alone about 8 times, I find it hilarious that whenever presented with an irrefutable logical statement believers are quick to point out their right to believe what they want to believe. It's embarrassing.

  I certainly hope you don't think I have pointed to any such right, nor have I referred to one. That's why it was curious to ne when you quoted me and proceeded to comment about being able to believe whatever.
  
  Even if such a belief is illogical, what it is the end game in arguing such? Is it to change the view of such a believer to a logic based opinion?
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1057441 wrote:Really? You read the entire study in 3 minutes? LOL
  
  I can only lead you to a water fountain, I cannot make you drink.

  I read enough to know it is a study about proclaimed atheists and agnostics. It has nothing to do with people who claim to be believers only doing so to be accepted.
• sleeper

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1057438 wrote:shut up idiot, it's because you constantly ask for them and then when someone doesn't give you one you say some bull**** about logic and reasoning...like you're doing now.
  
  Links or what you're saying is just smoke screens to back your opinion

  Also, since we asking for links, can I get link which proves the existence of god?
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  sleeper;1057443 wrote:This is trolling/flaming. A greater man would be banned to the basement for an indefinite amount of time for this comment.

  cry me a river
• DeyDurkie5

  

  I hate when people use creator...such a creepy word
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057447 wrote:I read enough to know it is a study about proclaimed atheists and agnostics. It has nothing to do with people who claim to be believers only doing so to be accepted.

  SMH. Clearly, you are unable to use logic and reason, using facts, to infer the correct claim. If you truly believe that people do not mask there religious beliefs to be accepted by society at large, than I cannot help you.
• FatHobbit

  

  sleeper;1057449 wrote:Also, since we asking for links, can I get link which proves the existence of god?

  Did someone cite an imaginary study that claimed to do that?
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  sleeper;1057449 wrote:Also, since we asking for links, can I get link which proves the existence of god?

  Can you give me a link where i said i believed in god or backed anyone on here believing in god?
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1057455 wrote:SMH. Clearly, you are unable to use logic and reason, using facts, to infer the correct claim. If you truly believe that people do not mask there religious beliefs to be accepted by society at large, than I cannot help you.

  Clearly, you have no idea how to read an academic study.
  
  Clearly, you have no studies to back up your claim that the "majority " of believers only make the claim to be accepted. I never said anywhere that there are not people that do that. I am only saying your claim is bullshit, and the study you linked makes no such claim.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1057455 wrote:.... If you truly believe that people do not mask there religious beliefs to be accepted by society at large, than I cannot help you.

  I don't dismiss that this may and probably does exist. Can you tell me how you might know who does portray that hey have religious beliefs for the purposes of societal acceptance as compared to those who actually have such beliefs?
• LJ

  

  DeyDurkie5;1057453 wrote:I hate when people use creator...such a creepy word

  Faith +1
  
  "Kid, you don't love Jesus, you are IN LOVE with Jesus"
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1057446 wrote:I certainly hope you don't think I have pointed to any such right, nor have I referred to one. That's why it was curious to ne when you quoted me and proceeded to comment about being able to believe whatever.
  
  Even if such a belief is illogical, what it is the end game in arguing such? Is it to change the view of such a believer to a logic based opinion?

  I am under the assumption that I cannot change someone's mind especially when it comes to their own personal religious beliefs. However, I am under the assumption that I can influence others that may read this post and decide that its okay to not believe in religion. In fact, using logic and reason, one can easily defend an atheist perspective rather than a believer's point of view. I don't argue for YOUR personal benefit, I argue for the benefit of others in the hope that society can release these regressive and indefensible beliefs.