Why do you pray?

• LJ

  

  sleeper;1057504 wrote:This is trolling at worst and misinterpreting at best. I expect better from a moderator.
  
  Cue your typical "I only mod the politics forum" shtick.

  I expect you to not make shit up....
  
  nah, no I don't.
• sleeper

  

  rmolin73;1057499 wrote:Trust me pal I don't hate you. You are in no way significant enough for me to hate you. You humor me tremedously so keep up the good work.

  Glad I can brighten your day.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  osudarby08;1057505 wrote:Well this thread went to hell real quick...

  Is this hell? does hell exist? Can you prove it? I want a link with studies to back up your claim. If you were logical you'd realize that hell doesn't exist so sleeper can't go to hell.
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057511 wrote:I expect you to not make **** up....
  
  nah, no I don't.

  How many times do I have to explain this? I inferred a conclusion based on a study that I read. What is so hard about this to understand? Do you not follow the logic? Is the conclusion unreasonable?
• LJ

  

  No, that is what you said after you realized you lied about there being a study claiming that the "majority" of believers lie about it. We all know you are full of bullshit. Just move on. Or you can just cry about being "trolled' for being called on your bullshit.
  
  

  sleeper;1057514 wrote:How many times do I have to explain this? I inferred a conclusion based on a study that I read. What is so hard about this to understand? Do you not follow the logic? Is the conclusion unreasonable?

• tcarrier32

  

  I am not sleeper, so I cannot defend his arguments. But it is not a stretch to accept what he said as truth. Atheists are hated in American society, David Silverman (head of American Atheists) has had many interviews where he claims that there are far more atheists in office than we are lead to believe because of those preconceived thoughts. Its not a hard connection to make really. America hovers around 7-14% non-believer depending on which studies you look at, there is a chance that 7-14% of the members of public office are atheist.
  
  here's a link, Atheists are distrusted as much as rapists in some cases.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-12-10/religion-atheism/51777612/1
  
  Edit: let me clarify, I don't think a majority of public officer holders who claim to be religious are lying. I feel that there are numerous members of public office who do not believe in God, but claim to do so in order to save face with elections. This is not the majority, or even close to it. But its real.
• The Equalizer

  

  So what is the difference between inferring a conclusion based on a study you read and religious believers inferring that there is a God/etc from the scripture they read? Both sides are taking information presented to them, deciding if they feel it has credibility, and moving forward with their conclusion.
• sleeper

  

  sleeper;1057514 wrote:How many times do I have to explain this? I inferred a conclusion based on a study that I read. What is so hard about this to understand? Do you not follow the logic? Is the conclusion unreasonable?

  Also LJ, here's an entire book about religion and politics. If you really care, read it.
  The culture of disbelief: how American law and politics trivialize religious ...
  By Stephen L. Carter
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057520 wrote:No, that is what you said after you realized you lied about there being a study claiming that the "majority" of believers lie about it. We all know you are full of bull****. Just move on. Or you can just cry about being "trolled' for being called on your bull****.

  Get over it. I changed what I said. Sorry that you misunderstood and assumed I had a study directly linking the two. Your constantly harping on the issue to distract from having to fight my infallible logic is laughable at best.
• vball10set

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• LJ

  

  tcarrier32;1057523 wrote:I am not sleeper, so I cannot defend his arguments. But it is not a stretch to accept what he said as truth. Atheists are hated in American society, David Silverman (head of American Atheists) has had many interviews where he claims that there are far more atheists in office than we are lead to believe because of those preconceived thoughts. Its not a hard connection to make really. America hovers around 7-14% non-believer depending on which studies you look at, there is a chance that 7-14% of the members of public office are atheist.
  
  here's a link, Atheists are distrusted as much as rapists in some cases.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-12-10/religion-atheism/51777612/1

  I have no problem believing that there are said people. What I do not believe is the statement that "the majority of believers" claim to be so only because they want to be accepted.
• sleeper

  

  The Equalizer;1057528 wrote:So what is the difference between inferring a conclusion based on a study you read and religious believers inferring that there is a God/etc from the scripture they read? Both sides are taking information presented to them, deciding if they feel it has credibility, and moving forward with their conclusion.

  That would be true, but using the bible to prove god, is likened to using Harry Potter to prove Hogwarts exists.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  I do think it would be interesting to hear what people would believe if they weren't brought up to believe anything or had no idea what existed as far as religion/athiesm/etc. I wonder how many people would still believe in religion.
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057535 wrote:I have no problem believing that there are said people. What I do not believe is the statement that "the majority of believers" claim to be so only because they want to be accepted.

  Take out majority then. It was an exaggeration, an exaggeration that you try to exploit because you know I'm right and can't attack a sound argument.
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1057531 wrote:Get over it. I changed what I said. Sorry that you misunderstood and assumed I had a study directly linking the two. Your constantly harping on the issue to distract from having to fight my infallible logic is laughable at best.

  How is your logic infalliable? Oh wait, it's not.
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1057539 wrote:Take out majority then. It was an exaggeration, an exaggeration that you try to exploit because you know I'm right and can't attack a sound argument.

  #Sleeperfails
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057540 wrote:How is your logic infalliable? Oh wait, it's not.

  Ok, then pick it apart.
• The Equalizer

  

  Again, the bible doesn't prove anything. The bible proposes teachings and asks for faith to follow its teachings. You're trying to interject proof as the only criteria you'll accept to believe, when that belief doesn't require it. In any case, this discussion is going nowhere.
• sleeper

  

  The Equalizer;1057545 wrote:Again, the bible doesn't prove anything. The bible proposes teachings and asks for faith to follow its teachings. You're trying to interject proof as the only criteria you'll accept to believe, when that belief doesn't require it. In any case, this discussion is going nowhere.

  Exactly. Faith is illogical, by definition.
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1057543 wrote:Ok, then pick it apart.

  Ok, an estimated 7-14% is not "majority"
  
  20% of the WORLD does not make a majority (lets not forget that some of the worlds atheists still practice a religion, mainly Buddhism). So just taking a midpoint, you would have about 15% being atheist. You are nowhere even near being able to claim that a "majority" lie to get in.
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1057552 wrote:Ok, an estimated 7-14% is not "majority"
  
  20% of the WORLD does not make a majority (lets not forget that some of the worlds atheists still practice a religion, mainly Buddhism). So just taking a midpoint, you would have about 15% being atheist. You are nowhere even near being able to claim that a "majority" lie to get in.

  I said take out majority. I cannot argue with someone who doesn't understand that typos are made. You spend more time trying to exploit typos that attacking my view points.
• LJ

  

  BTW Sleeper, telling you that you have failed, when you have, infact, failed, is not trolling. Quit being a fucking crybaby and clogging up our mod forum with your stupid reported posts.
• LJ

  

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  sleeper;1057553 wrote:I said take out majority. I cannot argue with someone who doesn't understand that typos are made. You spend more time trying to exploit typos that attacking my view points.

  Translation
  
  #Sleeperlost
• sleeper

  

  LJ answer me this, why don't we see atheists run for political office? Atheists make up about 20% of the population, why aren't roughly 20% of all politicians atheist?
• LJ

  

  Why do I have to answer something I have already said many posts back?

  sleeper;1057556 wrote:LJ answer me this, why don't we see atheists run for political office? Atheists make up about 20% of the population, why aren't roughly 20% of all politicians atheist?