Why do you pray?

• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056485 wrote:/thread

  Not really irrational hatred.
  
  http://i.imgur.com/mpQA0.jpg
• Fab1b

  

  sleeper;1056490 wrote:I think we found something we agree on Fab1b. I was unlucky in the sense that I grew up having to go to church every Sunday, and I had to go through a private religious based school. I am however lucky and blessed that I was able to see the light before I spent the rest of my life completely devoid of logic.

  Agree with ya! I don't have a problem with those that take up religion, believe, etc...I just ask that you find your own path and answers, not just follow those that came before you because that is what they put in your head!
• sleeper

  

  Also Fab1b, part of the problem is that people don't want to look back on their life as a waste, even though in their head they agree with you.
  
  Look up cognitive dissonance. It's the bain of believers.
• Tiger2003

  

  sleeper;1056484 wrote:This type of story eats my heart. I hate childhood indoctrination more than anything and is the main driver of my irrational hatred towards any religious institution. Kids don't even have a freaking chance to think for themselves.

  
  I have a brother who is complete opposite of me. My family is strong believers but they did let us make our own choices.
• LJ

  

  organized religion /= faith or spirituality
• sleeper

  

  Fab1b;1056496 wrote:Agree with ya! I don't have a problem with those that take up religion, believe, etc...I just ask that you find your own path and answers, not just follow those that came before you because that is what they put in your head!

  I hope you reproduce.
  
  Good day.
• sleeper

  

  Tiger2003;1056498 wrote:I have a brother who is complete opposite of me. My family is strong believers but they did let us make our own choices.

  Interesting. Did you ever explore the beauty of Islam?
• Tiger2003

  

  Fab1b;1056491 wrote:I didn't say it was dumb, I was more interested in the fact that you either did it because that is the way you were raised or if you actually sought out and found your own path? If you love your religion that is great, that tells me you sought it out and determined that path was best for you. That is all I was getting at. See my post above about my mother and I, same thing just the other side.

  
  Ya sorry dumb was the wrong word to use. I don't have a problem with people not believing or being religious at all. It's your life and your path so you should get to choose. That is the great thing about living in the United States of America!
• Tiger2003

  

  sleeper;1056501 wrote:Interesting. Did you ever explore the beauty of Islam?

  
  No.
• I Wear Pants

  Tiger2003;1056502 wrote:Ya sorry dumb was the wrong word to use. I don't have a problem with people not believing or being religious at all. It's your life and your path so you should get to choose. That is the great thing about living in the United States of America!

  Too bad a bunch of people in our country don't think that way.
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056499 wrote:organized religion /= faith or spirituality

  Unless your faith/spirituality isn't at all based on the bible, quran, torah, etc then just because someone says they are separate from religion doesn't make it so.
• hasbeen

  

  LJ;1056499 wrote:organized religion /= faith or spirituality

  
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• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056512 wrote:Unless your faith/spirituality isn't at all based on the bible, quran, torah, etc then just because someone says they are separate from religion doesn't make it so.

  Didn't know the bible was specific to organized religion? You can study the bible and have faith based on that without buying into all the bullshit of many organized religions. As you said before, your assertion is "bullshit"
• HitsRus

  

  I promise I will not attack you or make fun of you in this thread.

  Let's pretend that you actually mean that even though you've already called several people 'ignorant'.
  
  Let's start by saying that prayer is a dedication of mind and heart to the values of your particular religion..of your particular relationship with God and his universe.
  
  To that end, I pray for enlightenment and epiphany. Prayer helps me sort thru the 'noise' of daily life and helps me act consistently with what I value and what I believe in. It keeps me grounded to my core, and helps me act in accordance with what I view as the creator's purpose for me.
• sleeper

  

  Tiger2003;1056504 wrote:No.

  So your choice was either believe in what they believe or don't believe.
  
  I suppose that's better than nothing, despite me not believing your story. Once the light of logic is seen, its extremely rare for someone to return to the neverneverland.
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056520 wrote:Didn't know the bible was specific to organized religion? You can study the bible and have faith based on that without buying into all the bullshit of many organized religions. As you said before, your assertion is "bullshit"

  The bible was created by organized religion.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1056521 wrote:Let's pretend that you actually mean that even though you've already called several people 'ignorant'.

  I haven't called anyone ignorant. I have said they have made ignorant statements, which is accurate. Sorry.
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056525 wrote:The bible was created by organized religion.

  Sorry, Paul the Apostle was before the formation of the Catholic Church
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1056520 wrote:Didn't know the bible was specific to organized religion? You can study the bible and have faith based on that without buying into all the bull**** of many organized religions. As you said before, your assertion is "bull****"

  The existence of millions of niche beliefs systems is proof enough that there is no religious god. There is only one truth out there. Religion are designed for power and money. That's it.
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;1056525 wrote:The bible was created by organized religion.

  Have you ever taken any History of Christianity or History of World Religions classes? JW
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1056529 wrote:The existence of millions of niche beliefs systems is proof enough that there is no religious god. There is only one truth out there. Religion are designed for power and money. That's it.

  Organized religion /= faith
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1056534 wrote:Organized religion /= faith

  LOL what?
  
  Yeah, organized religion cannot be proven to be accurate, therefore it requires faith. Faith is a copout and a mental handicap.
• LJ

  

  sleeper;1056537 wrote:LOL what?
  
  Yeah, organized religion cannot be proven to be accurate, therefore it requires faith. Faith is a copout and a mental handicap.

  What do you mean "LOL what?"
  
  Why do you have to belong to a specific organized religion to have faith? What if someone believes there is a God and believe in the Pauline Epistles? They obviously don't belong to an organized religion, yet they have faith.
• I Wear Pants

  LJ;1056528 wrote:Sorry, Paul the Apostle was before the formation of the Catholic Church

  You're saying they didn't have or put religious beliefs in the bible? Explain all the talk about Judaism, etc all over the bible then. Because organized religion is all throughout it.
  
  And I said organized religion, not just the Catholic Church.
• rmolin73

  

  sleeper;1056537 wrote:LOL what?
  
  Yeah, organized religion cannot be proven to be accurate, therefore it requires faith. Faith is a copout and a mental handicap.

  Then you must be oozing with faith.