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jmog

lhslep134;1644233 wrote:Well yeah but that's not happening. And I will never take Demarco at 6 even if he's the "best" RB on the board. I will never draft an injury prone running back.

DeMarco has been in the league 3 years and only missed significant time one season. The other two years he played 13 and 14 games.

lhslep134

jmog;1644978 wrote:DeMarco has been in the league 3 years and only missed significant time one season. The other two years he played 13 and 14 games.

He's a good player but I'm not taking a guy in fantasy if I don't think he'll play all 16 games. Top 5 ability for sure, but the injury risk is too off-putting for me.

jmog

lhslep134;1644984 wrote:He's a good player but I'm not taking a guy in fantasy if I don't think he'll play all 16 games. Top 5 ability for sure, but the injury risk is too off-putting for me.

In today's NFL hardly any RBs play all 16 games.

McCoy has only played in 16 games once in the last 4 years.
ADP has only played in 16 games once in the last 4 years.
Charles only once in the last 3 years.
Forte only once in the last 3 years.

Theres your 4 guys that had more yards than Murray in yards per game last year.

I am not saying that Murray is a top 5 guy, but he is a too 10 and hasn't really missed more games than the top 4 guys in the last few years.

lhslep134

jmog;1644997 wrote: I am not saying that Murray is a top 5 guy, but he is a too 10 and hasn't really missed more games than the top 4 guys in the last few years.

Fair enough, can't really argue with that statement.

Iliketurtles

Yeah with that news coming out I'd definitely be keeping Shady too lhs.

Hearing that also prompted me to contact a friend to try and make a trade up in the 2nd round so I can get Murray. I really wanted Murray anyway but knew he wouldn't fall back to me in the 2nd and so I was going to be content with getting Bell.

TBone14

Had my first draft on Saturday. Standard snake draft. 1 keeper and you lose the draft pick in the round he was drafted the year prior. I kept Bell in the 7th round. We start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, Flex, Super Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE). So with the possibility of starting 2 QBs, they go pretty damn quick.

PPR and return yards.

I went:

1. Graham
2. Marshall
3. Romo- by the end of the 4th round, the best available QB was Eli.
4. Vereen
5. Patterson
6. Johnny Fucking Football
7. Bell (Keeper)
8. Kendall Wright
9. Woodhead
10. Reuben Randle
11. Moreno
12. EJ Manuel- The only QBs left at this point were the Raiders and Jags.
13. Jordan Matthews
14-16 Kicker, Defense, IDP

Hate my RB situation for the lack of depth but otherwise I feel good. Yahoo loved my draft...giving me the only A+ and telling the engraver to start working on the trophy.

Despite the news about Bell, I think he should still put up solid numbers yardage wise and he was great catching the ball last year. All my RBs are PPR guys, I won't score many TDs out of that position.

jmog

TBone14;1645213 wrote:Had my first draft on Saturday. Standard snake draft. 1 keeper and you lose the draft pick in the round he was drafted the year prior. I kept Bell in the 7th round. We start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, Flex, Super Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE). So with the possibility of starting 2 QBs, they go pretty damn quick.

PPR and return yards.

I went:

1. Graham
2. Marshall
3. Romo- by the end of the 4th round, the best available QB was Eli.
4. Vereen
5. Patterson
6. Johnny Fucking Football
7. Bell (Keeper)
8. Kendall Wright
9. Woodhead
10. Reuben Randle
11. Moreno
12. EJ Manuel- The only QBs left at this point were the Raiders and Jags.
13. Jordan Matthews
14-16 Kicker, Defense, IDP

Hate my RB situation for the lack of depth but otherwise I feel good. Yahoo loved my draft...giving me the only A+ and telling the engraver to start working on the trophy.

Despite the news about Bell, I think he should still put up solid numbers yardage wise and he was great catching the ball last year. All my RBs are PPR guys, I won't score many TDs out of that position.

I am assuming you picked late in the first round with the Graham/Marshall 1/2? What position of how many teams did you pick?

No matter where you picked, I'm surprised with a 2 QB starting option you didn't get at least 1 QB in the first 2 rounds.

Where was Cutler drafted?

Iliketurtles

Anyone ever do any of the MockDraftMondays on ESPN? I just finished one with Matt Williamson. Draft was alright he didn't talk much then skipped out with like 15 picks left as he had the last overall pick and only needed a kicker. Kinda sucked normally at the end guys will evaulate your mock drafted team or just stay and talk a little bit.

jmog

My big draft is this Saturday. I am finally doing a little more detailed analysis than just rankings. I put some tiers in today (might tweek some), I did things like look for Rookie/2nd year/3rd year for WRs and TEs (that whole 3rd year WR thing).

I will fine tune my rankings (do my own based off of about 5 other rankings sites and kind of take a weighted average) later in the week and do a couple "if these are taken then I'll do this" type mocks of the first 2 or 3 rounds (can't really go farther than that really) to get an idea of what positions I will be going after in the early rounds.

I know I will be picking either 5th or 6th out of 10.

TBone14

jmog;1645234 wrote:I am assuming you picked late in the first round with the Graham/Marshall 1/2? What position of how many teams did you pick?

No matter where you picked, I'm surprised with a 2 QB starting option you didn't get at least 1 QB in the first 2 rounds.

Where was Cutler drafted?

12 team league.

I picked 6th overall. Manning, Stafford, Foles, McCoy, Lacy,Forte were all kept. It went: Charles, Peterson, Rodgers, Brees, Megatron. I was looking at DeMarco Murray and Montee as best available RBs or Dez/Thomas as best available WR. Matt Ryan and Luck were best available QBs. I went Graham and then got Marshall coming back around at 19 overall.

Cutler was taken with the 11th pick of the 3rd round. I had already taken Romo earlier in the 3rd round.

jmog

Ah, did not realize it was a keeper league, makes much more sense now. Your pick there was closer to a 11th or 12th pick with those keepers, that explains the Graham selection. With what you had left I think it was a good pick. Once you are to Ryan/Luck I see most of the QBs from there down past Cutler to be roughly the same. You drafted well for what you had.

If I played in a 2 QB league this year, and I couldn't get a stud (your situation) I would truly be trying to get a Romo/Cutler combo in back to back rounds. Those guys put up numbers for fantasy just as well as many of the guys above them, they just get knocked due to their 4th Q losses. However, fantasy doesn't care if the QB wins or loses, just the stats.

Romo and Cutler will be the STEALS of this year's QB fantasy drafts. I play in a 1 QB league and may end up with both of them, who knows, but I will for sure wait on a QB and draft 1 of them loading up in other positions.

Iliketurtles

TBone14;1645311 wrote:12 team league.

I picked 6th overall. Manning, Stafford, Foles, McCoy, Lacy,Forte were all kept. It went: Charles, Peterson, Rodgers, Brees, Megatron. I was looking at DeMarco Murray and Montee as best available RBs or Dez/Thomas as best available WR. Matt Ryan and Luck were best available QBs. I went Graham and then got Marshall coming back around at 19 overall.

Cutler was taken with the 11th pick of the 3rd round. I had already taken Romo earlier in the 3rd round.

I would have probably gone with Dez/DT in the first then gone Romo and Cutler with my next 2 picks. In 2 QB leagues I would always try and get 2 really good QBs. But I still like your draft and the guys you took when you did. Definitely got some great PPR guys.

TBone14

jmog;1645304 wrote:My big draft is this Saturday. I am finally doing a little more detailed analysis than just rankings. I put some tiers in today (might tweek some), I did things like look for Rookie/2nd year/3rd year for WRs and TEs (that whole 3rd year WR thing).

I will fine tune my rankings (do my own based off of about 5 other rankings sites and kind of take a weighted average) later in the week and do a couple "if these are taken then I'll do this" type mocks of the first 2 or 3 rounds (can't really go farther than that really) to get an idea of what positions I will be going after in the early rounds.

I know I will be picking either 5th or 6th out of 10.

I used and am still using a Tiered concept this year. It helps take the name off the jerseys. For example, using my tiered approach, it helps not overspend (in my auction) or draft a guy too early. Basically, Cam Newton and Jay Cutler are projected for within a point of each other...depending on scoring settings. I have them both as Tier 3 QBs but Cam is going as a top Tier 2 QB. There is no way I'll end up with Cam in any league.

jmog

Iliketurtles;1645315 wrote:I would have probably gone with Dez/DT in the first then gone Romo and Cutler with my next 2 picks. In 2 QB leagues I would always try and get 2 really good QBs. But I still like your draft and the guys you took when you did. Definitely got some great PPR guys.

Not a bad idea, it would depend on what QBs were available at 2. In his spot, even if he took Dez/DT in the first, I would have a hard time taking Romo over Marshall in the 2nd (although, if he took Dez/DT and someone else still went WR, Marshall might not have been available).

I wouldn't mind your draft in a 2 QB league either, Dez/DT and then Romo/Cutler is a great start...RBs will suck but the QBs rule in a 2 QB league.

jmog

TBone14;1645316 wrote:I used and am still using a Tiered concept this year. It helps take the name off the jerseys. For example, using my tiered approach, it helps not overspend (in my auction) or draft a guy too early. Basically, Cam Newton and Jay Cutler are projected for within a point of each other...depending on scoring settings. I have them both as Tier 3 QBs but Cam is going as a top Tier 2 QB. There is no way I'll end up with Cam in any league.

I have been in the same league for about a decade. Our league has odd scoring system (TEs are just as good as RBs/WRs, so Graham will go #1 and at least 2 TEs will go in the first round since they are so scarce).

I used to (honestly) hover around the middle of our league, have some years I'd flirt with a championship, and some years I'd be near the bottom.

From the exact year I started "tiering" my position players and drafting without thinking about names and just the "scarcity" of each tier when I draft, I have finished in the top 3 in our league every season since (winning it twice).

I KNOW I will end up with a Cutler or Romo late in the draft due to tiers while everyone else passes for a Luck, Ryan, Newton, etc.

Romo was drafted in our league last year in the 9th round and Cutler ended up UNDRAFTED (23 QBs taken), I picked him up in FA about week 12 when all of my QBs were hurt.

Here's a list of some of the QBs taken last year in the draft and Cutler was not drafted...
Dalton, Freeman, Pryor, Palmer, Flacco, Weeden, and Bradford.

Yes, 7 teams had those QBs as their backup instead of Cutler...because "Cutler throws too many INTs". BRANDON FREAKING WEEDEN!

TBone14

jmog;1645314 wrote:Ah, did not realize it was a keeper league, makes much more sense now. Your pick there was closer to a 11th or 12th pick with those keepers, that explains the Graham selection. With what you had left I think it was a good pick. Once you are to Ryan/Luck I see most of the QBs from there down past Cutler to be roughly the same. You drafted well for what you had.

If I played in a 2 QB league this year, and I couldn't get a stud (your situation) I would truly be trying to get a Romo/Cutler combo in back to back rounds. Those guys put up numbers for fantasy just as well as many of the guys above them, they just get knocked due to their 4th Q losses. However, fantasy doesn't care if the QB wins or loses, just the stats.

Romo and Cutler will be the STEALS of this year's QB fantasy drafts. I play in a 1 QB league and may end up with both of them, who knows, but I will for sure wait on a QB and draft 1 of them loading up in other positions.

I wanted Cutler. See my reply to your other post. I have him equal to Newton at a much better value. I thought I could swing around get Romo in the 3rd/Cutler 4th but QBs were just going too fast. I got good value with my keep, LeVeon Bell with a 7. Usually, most of the keepers are value picks but people this year were going with bigger names in earlier rounds.

Iliketurtles;1645315 wrote:I would have probably gone with Dez/DT in the first then gone Romo and Cutler with my next 2 picks. In 2 QB leagues I would always try and get 2 really good QBs. But I still like your draft and the guys you took when you did. Definitely got some great PPR guys.

Thanks.

So you would prefer this team: Dez/DT, Romo, Cutler after 3 rounds to this team: Graham, Marshall, Romo? Not saying either is wrong. I was all over Cutler but I thought I could get them 3/4 instead of 2/3. Almost did. Hopefully, Johnny Football or EJ Manuel has a breakout season and gets close to Cutler.

The reason I didn't go WR there in the first was because of my Tiered approach. Basically, I had Calvin, DT, Dez, Marshall, Julio, Brown and Green in a WR tier to themselves. As long as I got one of those guys, I was happy and I knew I could get one with my 2nd round pick. My projections have Marshall only scoring 3 less points than Dez and I got him at 19 overall as opposed to getting Dez at 6. Graham is in a Tier to himself and is a huge advantage week to week vs pretty much every other TE.

Iliketurtles

jmog;1645317 wrote:Not a bad idea, it would depend on what QBs were available at 2. In his spot, even if he took Dez/DT in the first, I would have a hard time taking Romo over Marshall in the 2nd (although, if he took Dez/DT and someone else still went WR, Marshall might not have been available).

I wouldn't mind your draft in a 2 QB league either, Dez/DT and then Romo/Cutler is a great start...RBs will suck but the QBs rule in a 2 QB league.

Yeah anytime you take a QB in the first 2 rounds your RBs will suck but I'll take that tradeoff in a 2 QB league.

As for taking a QB over a WR in the 2nd yeah that would be tough especially since I love WRs but in 2 QB leagues and with some of them are already being kept I'd know going in that I have to take 2 with my first 3 picks to get 2 good ones.

As for myself, I'm kinda hoping my friend turns down my trade to switch draft spots. I offered him we switch picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th rounds. I have the 6th overall pick in a 10 team league so I'd move up 3 spots in the 2nd but 3 back in the 3rd and 5th.

TBone14

jmog;1645319 wrote:I have been in the same league for about a decade. Our league has odd scoring system (TEs are just as good as RBs/WRs, so Graham will go #1 and at least 2 TEs will go in the first round since they are so scarce).

I used to (honestly) hover around the middle of our league, have some years I'd flirt with a championship, and some years I'd be near the bottom.

From the exact year I started "tiering" my position players and drafting without thinking about names and just the "scarcity" of each tier when I draft, I have finished in the top 3 in our league every season since (winning it twice).

I KNOW I will end up with a Cutler or Romo late in the draft due to tiers while everyone else passes for a Luck, Ryan, Newton, etc.

Romo was drafted in our league last year in the 9th round and Cutler ended up UNDRAFTED (23 QBs taken), I picked him up in FA about week 12 when all of my QBs were hurt.

Here's a list of some of the QBs taken last year in the draft and Cutler was not drafted...
Dalton, Freeman, Pryor, Palmer, Flacco, Weeden, and Bradford.

Yes, 7 teams had those QBs as their backup instead of Cutler...because "Cutler throws too many INTs". BRANDON FREAKING WEEDEN!

That is unreal. He has a Tier 1 and Tier 2 WR on my board and a receiving machine out of the backfield. Unfortunately, one other person in my league had similar thoughts about Cutler and got him before I could but I was extremely happy about getting Romo where I did. 9 QBs were either kept or drafted before I got Romo. He will probably end the season, if he stays healthy all year, flirting with top 5 or better numbers. Many leagues have Dez/Terrance Williams, Witten projected to combine for almost 700 Fantasy Points. Who do you think is throwing the pill to them?

Iliketurtles

TBone14;1645321 wrote:I wanted Cutler. See my reply to your other post. I have him equal to Newton at a much better value. I thought I could swing around get Romo in the 3rd/Cutler 4th but QBs were just going too fast. I got good value with my keep, LeVeon Bell with a 7. Usually, most of the keepers are value picks but people this year were going with bigger names in earlier rounds.

Thanks.

So you would prefer this team: Dez/DT, Romo, Cutler after 3 rounds to this team: Graham, Marshall, Romo? Not saying either is wrong. I was all over Cutler but I thought I could get them 3/4 instead of 2/3. Almost did. Hopefully, Johnny Football or EJ Manuel has a breakout season and gets close to Cutler.

The reason I didn't go WR there in the first was because of my Tiered approach. Basically, I had Calvin, DT, Dez, Marshall, Julio, Brown and Green in a WR tier to themselves. As long as I got one of those guys, I was happy and I knew I could get one with my 2nd round pick. My projections have Marshall only scoring 3 less points than Dez and I got him at 19 overall as opposed to getting Dez at 6. Graham is in a Tier to himself and is a huge advantage week to week vs pretty much every other TE.

I actually like both a lot. Just for me personally I'd want 2 of those top 12 QBs. I definitely agree with you going with Graham first though with your stragety being you were trying to go Romo/Culter in 3/4. Just for me like I said to jmog, I'd plan on going 2 QBs in the first 3 rounds and so I'd go WR in the 1st and worry about a TE later. I'm also not as high on Graham as a lot of others. I'd take Calvin, DT, Dez, Marshall, and Green over him where as most people I know have Graham after Calvin.

Laley23

Ive got the #1 overall in 1 league, 10 team (Ill be taking Charles...PPR). Hoping to go Charles, Julio/Marshall/Jeffrey (all could be gone, we have a lot of Bears fans...in which case Dez might fall), Ball/Morris/Bernard

Ive got the #5 overall in another league, 14 team (Ill take whoever falls between Forte and Lacy...Non PPR). Love my 5th RD spot, as I think Lacy and Forte can be as good as the top 3. Then Ill try to get another RB and WR in 2/3 (which way I go depends on who is around). Ideally, Ill get Lacy, Ball, Vincent Jackson/Gronk. Even though WR is so deep, not sure I wanna pass on taking one in the top 3 rounds. But, Ball is criminally undervalued in a Peyton offense, and if I can snag him with Lacy/Forte, that has Ws written all over it. And to then get the only viable option for the Pats...would be too much to pass on, imo.

3rd team draft order is unknown right now.

Iliketurtles

Laley23;1645329 wrote:Ive got the #1 overall in 1 league, 10 team (Ill be taking Charles...PPR). Hoping to go Charles, Julio/Marshall/Jeffrey (all could be gone, we have a lot of Bears fans...in which case Dez might fall), Ball/Morris/Bernard

Ive got the #5 overall in another league, 14 team (Ill take whoever falls between Forte and Lacy...Non PPR). Love my 5th RD spot, as I think Lacy and Forte can be as good as the top 3. Then Ill try to get another RB and WR in 2/3 (which way I go depends on who is around). Ideally, Ill get Lacy, Ball, Vincent Jackson/Gronk. Even though WR is so deep, not sure I wanna pass on taking one in the top 3 rounds. But, Ball is criminally undervalued in a Peyton offense, and if I can snag him with Lacy/Forte, that has Ws written all over it. And to then get the only viable option for the Pats...would be too much to pass on, imo.

3rd team draft order is unknown right now.

You better hope Bernard falls. He is getting a lot of love right now. I'd go with Ball/Bernard before Morris in PPR in a heartbeat. Also I'd take McCoy before Charles but you really can't go wrong with any of the top 3. Also if all of those WRs then someone great will have to fall to you in the 2nd. If all of those WRs are gone I'd go with Brown dude is so underrated.

For your 2nd team definitely agree with what you plan on doing. Picking 5th is in a great spot in a 14 teamer.

Laley23

Iliketurtles;1645332 wrote:You better hope Bernard falls. He is getting a lot of love right now. I'd go with Ball/Bernard before Morris in PPR in a heartbeat. Also I'd take McCoy before Charles but you really can't go wrong with any of the top 3. Also if all of those WRs then someone great will have to fall to you in the 2nd. If all of those WRs are gone I'd go with Brown dude is so underrated.

For your 2nd team definitely agree with what you plan on doing. Picking 5th is in a great spot in a 14 teamer.

Dont like McCoy before 3rd this year...only cause Im scared of Sproles taking 40ish catches away from him...as well as carries.

I think one of the 4 WRs will be around I have listed, so not too concerned. I like Ball and then Bernard and then Morris. I didnt list them in order initially.

TBone14

Iliketurtles;1645328 wrote:I actually like both a lot. Just for me personally I'd want 2 of those top 12 QBs. I definitely agree with you going with Graham first though with your stragety being you were trying to go Romo/Culter in 3/4. Just for me like I said to jmog, I'd plan on going 2 QBs in the first 3 rounds and so I'd go WR in the 1st and worry about a TE later. I'm also not as high on Graham as a lot of others. I'd take Calvin, DT, Dez, Marshall, and Green over him where as most people I know have Graham after Calvin.

Calvin was gone and I still got Marshall. I gambled. Even with the 2 QB option (we have had it for 3 years in this league now), I didn't see Cutler going in the 3rd. There are teams out their who went QB/QB or kept a QB and went QB first. Their teams look nice on paper when you look at their QBs but they are not solid at WR or RB. One team has Rodgers/Stafford and another has Brees/Foles. Obviously they are feeling good but a lot can happen.

lhslep134

Count me as another who uses tiers. I'll drop a guy two tiers just because I don't like him and it's a lot easier to do that than ranking them in a list.

If anyone wants to share tier lists via PM I'm down. I love having other's opinions and you guys seem like good players and I'm not in a league with any of you.

Terry_Tate

Who is everybody looking at for late round steals? I'm in all auction leagues so for me it's $1 or $2 players, but I am liking Jordan Matthews for PPR leagues. Watched the Chiefs last night and not totally sure of their TE spot but Travis Kelce looks like he could be a nice backup TE if he gets some playing time. Carlos Hyde obviously because I think he's going to be a stud. Don't really have any other thoughts this early as my drafts start this Sunday.

Different category but feel like Jeremy Maclin is somebody who isn't getting a lot of love right now but could be a top tier WR fantasy wise as well due to the Eagles offense.

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