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Healthcare Passes 219-212

  • Hb31187
    People bitch entirely too much. Living in america could be much worse
  • justincredible
    Hb31187 wrote: People bitch entirely too much. Living in america could be much worse
    Yeah, that's a good thing to hang our hats on. It could be worse! :rolleyes:

    I want it to be better.
  • LJ
    justincredible wrote:
    Hb31187 wrote: People bitch entirely too much. Living in america could be much worse
    Yeah, that's a good thing to hang our hats on. It could be worse! :rolleyes:

    I want it to be better.
    OHIO CHATTER SHOULD BE BETTER!!!
  • Hb31187
    If this is the worst thing we have to deal with, we should consider ourselves lucky.
  • ernest_t_bass
    Hb31187 wrote: People bitch entirely too much. Living in america could be much worse
    Isn't that democracy? We have the right to bitch, don't we?

    If I told you and all your friends that you could have whatever ice cream flavor you wanted from the store, you all chose mint choco chip, and I came back with vanilla (only because I said it would be better for you) would you not bitch at me? I gave you the right to choose, and I blatantly went against your choice.

    In parenting, it's one thing, but in democracy, it should be non-existant.
  • Swamp Fox
    I'll stick with my assessment of our country. I'm sorry your country isn't free. I'll tell you this. I think that if you start taking or attempting to take health care away from those who may, after much too long of a wait, finally have some health care to use for themselves and their families, you may manage to throw away another election in 2010 and another one in 2012. You may find out just how many people there are who had no health care prior to the President's bill.
  • Little Danny
    Hb31187 wrote: People bitch entirely too much. Living in america could be much worse
    Since the majority of the american population agreed with your sentiment, then why the push for this health care bill? I mean, couldn't we have just said the same thing to the 36 Uninsured (ahem) Americans. I guess your argument is only applicable when conservatives disagree with Dem policiticians correct?
  • NNN
    I'm uninsured (can't afford it) and believe this is an absolute abomination.

    I'm waiting for the first state to secede so I know where I'll be living.
  • BCSbunk
    QuakerOats wrote: This Will Not Stand: Newt On the Passage of Obamacare
    by Newt Gingrich
    Updated 03/22/2010 ET

    This will not stand.
    No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday's vote
    This is not the end of the fight it is the beginning of the fight.
    The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high tax, Washington knows best, pro trial lawyer centralized bureaucratic health system
    In every recent poll the vast majority of Americans opposed this monstrosity
    Speaker Pelosi knew the country was against the bill. That is why she kept her members trapped in Washington and forced a vote on Sunday.
    She knew if she let the members go home their constituents would convince them to vote no.
    The Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine combined the radicalism of Alinsky, the corruption of Springfield and the machine power politics of Chicago.
    Sunday was a pressured, bought, intimidated vote worthy of Hugo Chavez but unworthy of the United States of America.
    It is hard to imagine how much pressure they brought to bear on congressman Stupak to get him to accept a cynical, phony clearly illegal and unconstitutional executive order on abortion. The ruthlessness and inhumanity of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine was most clearly on display in their public humiliation of Stupak.
    The real principles of the machine were articulated by Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from the bench as a federal judge, before being elected to the House when he said ""There ain't no rules here, we're trying to accomplish something. . . .All this talk about rules. . . .When the deal goes down . . . we make 'em up as we go along."
    It is hard for the American people to believe their leaders on the left are this bad.
    They are.
    The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future.
    Together we will pledge to repeal this bill and start over
    Together we will prove that this will not stand
    2010 and 2012 will be among the most important elections in American history
    These elections will allow us to save America from a leftwing machine of unparalleled corruption arrogance and cynicism
    Sunday was one more step in the fight against a "Washington knows best" and "Washington should run everything" attitude.
    Let us turn now to the Senate to continue this fight for real reform, for real self government, and for policies that create jobs, improve health outcomes, and increase freedom.
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36142
    Same inane rhetoric after medicaid was passed in 1965 it is still in effect.
  • bigmanbt
    Uninsured as well, I could possibly be one of the poorest people in America (college student), and I hate this bill. Every poor person I personally know hate this bill.
  • bigmanbt
    BCSbunk wrote:
    QuakerOats wrote: This Will Not Stand: Newt On the Passage of Obamacare
    by Newt Gingrich
    Updated 03/22/2010 ET

    This will not stand.
    No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday's vote
    This is not the end of the fight it is the beginning of the fight.
    The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high tax, Washington knows best, pro trial lawyer centralized bureaucratic health system
    In every recent poll the vast majority of Americans opposed this monstrosity
    Speaker Pelosi knew the country was against the bill. That is why she kept her members trapped in Washington and forced a vote on Sunday.
    She knew if she let the members go home their constituents would convince them to vote no.
    The Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine combined the radicalism of Alinsky, the corruption of Springfield and the machine power politics of Chicago.
    Sunday was a pressured, bought, intimidated vote worthy of Hugo Chavez but unworthy of the United States of America.
    It is hard to imagine how much pressure they brought to bear on congressman Stupak to get him to accept a cynical, phony clearly illegal and unconstitutional executive order on abortion. The ruthlessness and inhumanity of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine was most clearly on display in their public humiliation of Stupak.
    The real principles of the machine were articulated by Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from the bench as a federal judge, before being elected to the House when he said ""There ain't no rules here, we're trying to accomplish something. . . .All this talk about rules. . . .When the deal goes down . . . we make 'em up as we go along."
    It is hard for the American people to believe their leaders on the left are this bad.
    They are.
    The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future.
    Together we will pledge to repeal this bill and start over
    Together we will prove that this will not stand
    2010 and 2012 will be among the most important elections in American history
    These elections will allow us to save America from a leftwing machine of unparalleled corruption arrogance and cynicism
    Sunday was one more step in the fight against a "Washington knows best" and "Washington should run everything" attitude.
    Let us turn now to the Senate to continue this fight for real reform, for real self government, and for policies that create jobs, improve health outcomes, and increase freedom.
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36142
    Same inane rhetoric after medicaid was passed in 1965 it is still in effect.
    And we are going bankrupt from that, and this might be worse.
  • BCSbunk
    NNN wrote: I'm uninsured (can't afford it) and believe this is an absolute abomination.

    I'm waiting for the first state to secede so I know where I'll be living.
    Well now you will get healthcare if you really cannot afford it. There will be no first state to secede so I would suggest moving to a country that has no government involved healthcare. Oh thats right all first world nations have government involved healthcare. Canada, Japan, Ireland, Scotland, Denmark etc.

    About time the US catches up with first rate nations.

    I think Sudan is looking like a great option for you. Amazing how the Republicans want to be like the 3rd world nations and embrace their ideals.
  • BCSbunk
    bigmanbt wrote:
    BCSbunk wrote:
    QuakerOats wrote: This Will Not Stand: Newt On the Passage of Obamacare
    by Newt Gingrich
    Updated 03/22/2010 ET

    This will not stand.
    No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday's vote
    This is not the end of the fight it is the beginning of the fight.
    The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high tax, Washington knows best, pro trial lawyer centralized bureaucratic health system
    In every recent poll the vast majority of Americans opposed this monstrosity
    Speaker Pelosi knew the country was against the bill. That is why she kept her members trapped in Washington and forced a vote on Sunday.
    She knew if she let the members go home their constituents would convince them to vote no.
    The Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine combined the radicalism of Alinsky, the corruption of Springfield and the machine power politics of Chicago.
    Sunday was a pressured, bought, intimidated vote worthy of Hugo Chavez but unworthy of the United States of America.
    It is hard to imagine how much pressure they brought to bear on congressman Stupak to get him to accept a cynical, phony clearly illegal and unconstitutional executive order on abortion. The ruthlessness and inhumanity of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine was most clearly on display in their public humiliation of Stupak.
    The real principles of the machine were articulated by Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from the bench as a federal judge, before being elected to the House when he said ""There ain't no rules here, we're trying to accomplish something. . . .All this talk about rules. . . .When the deal goes down . . . we make 'em up as we go along."
    It is hard for the American people to believe their leaders on the left are this bad.
    They are.
    The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future.
    Together we will pledge to repeal this bill and start over
    Together we will prove that this will not stand
    2010 and 2012 will be among the most important elections in American history
    These elections will allow us to save America from a leftwing machine of unparalleled corruption arrogance and cynicism
    Sunday was one more step in the fight against a "Washington knows best" and "Washington should run everything" attitude.
    Let us turn now to the Senate to continue this fight for real reform, for real self government, and for policies that create jobs, improve health outcomes, and increase freedom.
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36142
    Same inane rhetoric after medicaid was passed in 1965 it is still in effect.
    And we are going bankrupt from that, and this might be worse.

    We are? Please show me evidence to back this ridiculous claim.
  • wkfan
    We.

    Are.

    Screwed.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Swamp Fox wrote: I'll stick with my assessment of our country. I'm sorry your country isn't free. I'll tell you this. I think that if you start taking or attempting to take health care away from those who may, after much too long of a wait, finally have some health care to use for themselves and their families, you may manage to throw away another election in 2010 and another one in 2012. You may find out just how many people there are who had no health care prior to the President's bill.
    Well, doesn't the government plan on doing this exact same thing? Something like $500 billion dollars to be cut from one program to go towards the new bill?

    What are your thoughts on that? Is it OK that the fed. government will do this?
  • bigmanbt
    BCSbunk wrote:
    bigmanbt wrote:
    BCSbunk wrote:
    QuakerOats wrote: This Will Not Stand: Newt On the Passage of Obamacare
    by Newt Gingrich
    Updated 03/22/2010 ET

    This will not stand.
    No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday's vote
    This is not the end of the fight it is the beginning of the fight.
    The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high tax, Washington knows best, pro trial lawyer centralized bureaucratic health system
    In every recent poll the vast majority of Americans opposed this monstrosity
    Speaker Pelosi knew the country was against the bill. That is why she kept her members trapped in Washington and forced a vote on Sunday.
    She knew if she let the members go home their constituents would convince them to vote no.
    The Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine combined the radicalism of Alinsky, the corruption of Springfield and the machine power politics of Chicago.
    Sunday was a pressured, bought, intimidated vote worthy of Hugo Chavez but unworthy of the United States of America.
    It is hard to imagine how much pressure they brought to bear on congressman Stupak to get him to accept a cynical, phony clearly illegal and unconstitutional executive order on abortion. The ruthlessness and inhumanity of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine was most clearly on display in their public humiliation of Stupak.
    The real principles of the machine were articulated by Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from the bench as a federal judge, before being elected to the House when he said ""There ain't no rules here, we're trying to accomplish something. . . .All this talk about rules. . . .When the deal goes down . . . we make 'em up as we go along."
    It is hard for the American people to believe their leaders on the left are this bad.
    They are.
    The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future.
    Together we will pledge to repeal this bill and start over
    Together we will prove that this will not stand
    2010 and 2012 will be among the most important elections in American history
    These elections will allow us to save America from a leftwing machine of unparalleled corruption arrogance and cynicism
    Sunday was one more step in the fight against a "Washington knows best" and "Washington should run everything" attitude.
    Let us turn now to the Senate to continue this fight for real reform, for real self government, and for policies that create jobs, improve health outcomes, and increase freedom.
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36142
    Same inane rhetoric after medicaid was passed in 1965 it is still in effect.
    And we are going bankrupt from that, and this might be worse.

    We are? Please show me evidence to back this ridiculous claim.
    Are you serious? That's why we are even having this whole healthcare debate, because Medicare and Medicaid have made healthcare premiums rise, at a major cost to the American taxpayer. We're only $12 trillion dollars in debt, let's spend more and tax more, so we have even less businesses opening up.

    Another thing I don't think anyone has brought up, but it's a good cause and effect relationship. We mandate that you can't deny someone based on pre-existing conditions, and businesses have to provide health insurance or they get fined. Since people with pre-existing conditions will cost more, businesses won't hire them. So now people with pre-existing conditions can get healthcare, but won't be able to get a job. What exactly did we solve?
  • majorspark
    BCSbunk wrote: We are? Please show me evidence to back this ridiculous claim.
    To call the possiblity of bankruptcy ridiculous, only shows your ignorance concerning our long term financial situation. If we stay our course without making significant changes to reduce spending or increase some taxes then we will eventually be brought to that milestone.

    Well known economists and politicians alike are sending out the warning.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/07/10/movement_warns_of_us_bankruptcy/

    This article was written in July, 2008 Since this time the federal debt has increased 30%.
    WASHINGTON - A new nationwide campaign is warning Americans that unless the federal government puts its financial house in order, the country could be bankrupt in a generation.

    The project, organized by Peter G. Peterson, an investment banker who served as commerce secretary in the Nixon administration, and David M. Walker, the former comptroller general of the United States, aims to build grass-roots support for wholesale changes to the federal budget - though the overhaul would require middle- and upper-income Americans to give up some cherished government benefits.

    Peterson and Walker said yesterday that the campaign, sponsored by the nonpartisan Peter G. Peterson Foundation in New York, will kick off next week with a documentary called "I.O.U.S.A," the first salvo in an aggressive, multimillion dollar effort that will include television advertisements and Internet outreach.

    Peterson, the foundation president, and Walker, the chief executive, said the widening gap between government revenues and spending will eventually destroy the confidence in the American economy that has led international lenders to continue to finance the national debt.

    "We are going to get a crisis like most Americans have never seen," Walker said during a breakfast sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor.

    The national debt is now more than $9 trillion.

    Government budget analysts predict, however, that at the current pace of government spending the national debt could balloon to more than 250 percent of the gross domestic product by 2040.

    Entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare simply will not be able to keep pace with the estimated 77 million members of the baby boomer generation now beginning to retire, Peterson and Walker contend.

    About 10,000 baby boomers will become eligible for Social Security benefits each day for the next two decades, and the government already spends more than $4 on older Americans for every dollar spent on children's education, healthcare, and other basic needs.

    If changes are not made soon, new generations of Americans face either crippling tax increases or Draconian cuts in government programs, Peterson and Walker warned. And the result will be sharply higher interest rates; a weaker dollar; higher prices for oil, food, and other necessities; and greater unemployment, according to a new foundation publication called "The State of the Union's Finances - A Citizen's Guide."

    Government programs that are required by law, such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and food stamps, account for more nearly two-thirds of the federal budget. In other words, "62 percent of the budget is on autopilot and it increases every year," said Walker.

    The mandatory spending on entitlement programs is ballooning so quickly that "there is no discretionary spending left in 20 to 25 years," Walker said, for needs such as highway maintenance and defense programs.

    Heading off disaster will require reining in wasteful and lower priority programs, Peterson said, pointing out that government benefits were originally designed as a safety net for the poorest Americans and that more prosperous Americans who have also grown accustomed to them will have to make sacrifices.

    A big target for change must be bringing down the cost of healthcare, a major contributor to higher Medicare costs, according to Walker who as comptroller general oversaw the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

    Peterson and Walker said they hope their message will echo on the presidential campaign trail this year.

    The foundation plans to meet with advisers to John McCain and Barack Obama and will be evaluating the candidates' policy proposals.

    "We are going to do our best to try to make sure it is an issue in the presidential campaign," Walker said.
  • Shane Falco
    wkfan wrote: We.

    Are.

    Screwed.
    But atleast they told you it would feel good!
  • Sage
    After the Bush regime, it feels good to fuck the Republicans in the ass like this.

    Bring on the mid-term losses. (Happens to every President). Obama did the damn thing.

    And once your guys' tears turn into ass cancer, you'll be thankful you have socialized medicine.

    --------------------------

    Also, Republicans can thank themselves for this. Had they simply voted for John Kerry, Obama never would have been elected. Instead, you gave Bush 4 more years to fuck everything up worse, which lead to the leftist uprising which lead to Obama.

    Props to Obama. HE DID THE DAMN THING.
  • Cleveland Buck
    He didn't just fuck Republicans in the ass. He fucked us all. Ask the Canadians at the Cleveland Clinic how they like their socialized medicine back home.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Sage wrote: After the Bush regime, it feels good to fuck the Republicans in the ass like this.

    Bring on the mid-term losses. (Happens to every President). Obama did the damn thing.

    And once your guys' tears turn into ass cancer, you'll be thankful you have socialized medicine.

    --------------------------

    Also, Republicans can thank themselves for this. Had they simply voted for John Kerry, Obama never would have been elected. Instead, you gave Bush 4 more years to fuck everything up worse, which lead to the leftist uprising which lead to Obama.

    Props to Obama. HE DID THE DAMN THING.
    1. So, it's just a republican vs. democrat thing for you?

    2. Why should we be thankful for socialized medicine?
  • Cleveland Buck
    It's a republican vs. democrat thing for anyone who supports this. There is no other reason to support it other than the fact that their team 'did the damn thing.'
  • wkfan
    Shane Falco wrote:
    wkfan wrote: We.

    Are.

    Screwed.
    But atleast they told you it would feel good!
    Then why doesn't it???
  • ManO'War
    Easy to see where all the yes votes came from..just look for the areas with all the dead beat losers.
  • Sage
    Cleveland Buck wrote: He didn't just fuck Republicans in the ass. He fucked us all. Ask the Canadians at the Cleveland Clinic how they like their socialized medicine back home.
    LOL. I'll play this game.

    And how many are there? Is this an epidemic? As big an epidemic as Americans going north for free health care? (Sarah Palin, most recent example).