Healthcare Passes 219-212
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ou1980Will they DEEM IT PASSED....??? Bypassing an up or down vote and just say, "Yeah we have the votes, now sign here Mr. President"
If Pelosi does this, then the 2nd term of Barack Obama is finished. I'm talking 30% approval rating... -
gibby08
ou1980 wrote: Will they DEEM IT PASSED....??? Bypassing an up or down vote and just say, "Yeah we have the votes, now sign here Mr. President"
If Pelosi does this, then the 2nd term of Barack Obama is finished. I'm talking 30% approval rating...
http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/16/republicans-have-made-ample-use-of-slaughter-solution-procedure/
Republicans have used this idea atleast 11 times since it was introduced in 1933
Nice to see how much things change when it is used againist you
What you Republicans need to realize is that there isn't a Republican right now that can beat him...and unless the bring Regan(circa 1980) back from the dead...there won't be in 2012 -
ptown_trojans_1
That still does not make it right. I've never heard of it and when I read it I thought it was one of the sneakiest, dirtiest ways to get major things passed.gibby08 wrote:ou1980 wrote: Will they DEEM IT PASSED....??? Bypassing an up or down vote and just say, "Yeah we have the votes, now sign here Mr. President"
If Pelosi does this, then the 2nd term of Barack Obama is finished. I'm talking 30% approval rating...
http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/16/republicans-have-made-ample-use-of-slaughter-solution-procedure/
Republicans have used this idea atleast 11 times since it was introduced in 1933
Nice to see how much things change when it is used againist you
What you Republicans need to realize is that there isn't a Republican right now that can beat him...and unless the bring Regan(circa 1980) back from the dead...there won't be in 2012
I can understand it being used on little, very minor things, and that is it. But, it should not be used for something this major. It is shady. -
fish82
I think some context and comparisons of the situations in which the procedure was used might be in order...I doubt the pubs used it on anything this massive and high profile, not to mention to pass a bill that 55% of the American people were against.gibby08 wrote:ou1980 wrote: Will they DEEM IT PASSED....??? Bypassing an up or down vote and just say, "Yeah we have the votes, now sign here Mr. President"
If Pelosi does this, then the 2nd term of Barack Obama is finished. I'm talking 30% approval rating...
http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/16/republicans-have-made-ample-use-of-slaughter-solution-procedure/
Republicans have used this idea atleast 11 times since it was introduced in 1933
Nice to see how much things change when it is used againist you
What you Republicans need to realize is that there isn't a Republican right now that can beat him...and unless the bring Regan(circa 1980) back from the dead...there won't be in 2012
Try again. -
cbus4lifeI want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people. -
RedRider1
Wish they'd just set a date to vote...if you have the votes, it passes, if not, buh-bye.
THAT'S the "up or down" vote that the american people want to see. Not reconciliation, and certainly not "deem and pass," and not backing off soft deadlines just because you don't have the votes. -
CenterBHSFan
This post = GOATcbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, there needs to be more balance.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people. -
Belly35
cbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people.
WOW!
If we should ever meet, dinner on me..... I will write it off as "capitalism expenditures". -
derek bomar
good post, bout sums up how i feelcbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people. -
Belly35
BS you're looking for a free dinner alsoderek bomar wrote:
good post, bout sums up how i feelcbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people.
Have not seen you on the here lately....... unemployment line don't have wireless
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derek bomar
haha, yea I've been actually busy, with ya know, having a full-time job and getting my MBA at night and allBelly35 wrote:
BS you're looking for a free dinner alsoderek bomar wrote:
good post, bout sums up how i feelcbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people.
Have not seen you on the here lately....... unemployment line don't have wireless
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Shane FalcoOld Kook Kucinich may have been cheap but he wasn't easy, seems a nice ride on Air Farce... I mean Air Force One.. persuded ol Denny to say yes.
BYE BYE Dennnis!! -
RedRider1
Boccieri will be voting yes too....that's 2 big gets....no votes who will now be voting yes.
How many yes votes will be voting no this time. More than 2 I bet.
431 members of the house....so 216 is the majority. Yes votes were 220 last time, but 4 yes votes have either retired or died.
Margin for error is razor thin. -
QuakerOatsThanks for the post Cbus --- some good points.
Boccieri is toast; take it to the bank. -
martyirish
No they don't
If they did they would have voted -
RedRider1
Boccieri was imported into this district after 30+ yrs of Regula...and voted FOR Cap/Tax & Obamacare.
See ya John-boy. -
QuakerOatshttp://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
Obama now upside down ................. disapproval exceeds approval.
When will the comrade get the picture? -
Belly35
RedRider1 wrote: Boccieri was imported into this district after 30+ yrs of Regula...and voted FOR Cap/Tax & Obamacare.
See ya John-boy.
Boccieri also admitted passing the Stimulus Pork without reading it
going to the game tonight I'm going to see Orrville and EC
I have long history of EC sports
EC and Orrville would be a nice match-up -
QuakerOats
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derek bomar
QuakerOats wrote: http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
Obama now upside down ................. disapproval exceeds approval.
When will the comrade get the picture?
the NBC/WSJ poll had him up 47-46... -
ptown_trojans_1
Not that polls matter, cause they mean jack shit, but he has hovered around the 45-52 mark for a good 4 or 5 months.QuakerOats wrote: http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
Obama now upside down ................. disapproval exceeds approval.
When will the comrade get the picture? -
Belly35
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Captain Cavalier
***** 5 Star rating for that one cbus.cbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people. -
I Wear Pants
Then why doesn't anyone propose a bill that does that?cbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people.
The people who disagree with the bill keep saying that they realize that health care needs addressed and that they have ideas but what has actually been proposed? -
tk421
Because you know and everyone else knows the Democrats aren't going to pass any bill from Republican ideas.I Wear Pants wrote:
Then why doesn't anyone propose a bill that does that?cbus4life wrote: I want reform just as much as the next person, but this isn't even a good bill even if he was trying to go the "socialist" route. He would need to tweak it to be more in line with the complexities of America. But, he has failed to take that into account, has not compromised, and as a result those who actually do need some help, as far as health care is concerned, will not get it.
I mean, it is sad that, as even most Republicans on here agree, health care reform is needed, but it is not going to happen because of Obama's stubborness. A more bi-partisan effort, with a combination of Republican and Democrat ideas, would have been perfect. Lots of great ideas out there, and i think Republicans have it correct in that, probably, given the situation in America, massive government health care isn't the way to go. Reform should probably take part in the private sector, and that would help to get government costs under control as well.
I really hoped that the government could make it happen, here in the States, as i've had good experiences elsewhere, and know that, in some places, government run health-care is truly a good thing. However, have realized that reform needs to come from the private sector here in the USA, as the costs to the government just can't be justified.
I'm worried as much as the next person at the debt we're taking on and the like.
I want to see true reform in Washington, with people who can manage to place the government in it's proper balance with the private sector.
I'm not an outright free-enterprise capitalist, but think that, in the situation of the United States, the private sector needs to take "precedence" over the governmental sphere. Of course, i would like to see shady private sector shit dissapear as well, but "lasting" change and reform would come from that sector, not the government.
I still consider myself a sort of Democratic-Socialist, but if i truly care about the future of the United States, i'm coming to realize that it is wrong of me to advocate those types of policies at the current time, as we need to get spending under control. "Worthless" spending is at an all-time high, and it is keeping the government from doing things that would truly benefit the American people.
The people who disagree with the bill keep saying that they realize that health care needs addressed and that they have ideas but what has actually been proposed?