Healthcare Passes 219-212

• IggyPride00

  

  Unless they changed it, the law won't take effect for 3-4 years. After the Republican landslide in November, they will have time to repeal the bill.

  Alot of the good stuff starts immediately, and the first possible repeal date would be January of 2013, and that is assuming BHO loses the presidency and Republicans manage to hold both houses of Congress. That is a lifetime from now.
  
  Besides, the way this bill is structured no Republican would have the guts to repeal it knowing that it would lead to an immediate insurance company purge of 20-30 million people as well as the return of the donut hole, kids being kicked off their parents insurance, and a bunch of other stuff.
  
  Democrats were willing to lose their jobs because they knew that 3 years from now when a repeal would even be possible, that it will have taken hold in a way that will make it politically impossible to repeal as to get rid of the bad stuff all the good stuff people do like would have to go as well.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Bigdogg wrote: So lets think about this for a while. A majority of politicians are ready to sacrifice there careers to vote for major health care reform. Why would they do such a thing if they did not truly believe it was the right thing to do? Don't bother to respond if you are going to say they are stupid or foolish. I have never met one that was not smart enough to keep there job for a long time.

  Here's your answer, fishbulb...
  
  These folks are literally taking one for the team. The egomanical one has demanded they make this his legacy and, in the process, lay the foundation for an entire new entitlement program that will ensure Democrat success long down the road when the program becomes so entrenched, the masses that now depend on it will have to keep re-electing Democrats.
  
  So you've got a cycle of dependency on government and a government that will depend on those addicted to its services to keep it propped up.
  
  This was a major power play by the Democrats now -- that they are betting will pay them great dividends in terms of power in the future.
  
  This has NOTHING to do with what is right or best for the American people.
• Gobuckeyes1

  Writerbuckeye wrote:

  Bigdogg wrote: So lets think about this for a while. A majority of politicians are ready to sacrifice there careers to vote for major health care reform. Why would they do such a thing if they did not truly believe it was the right thing to do? Don't bother to respond if you are going to say they are stupid or foolish. I have never met one that was not smart enough to keep there job for a long time.

  Here's your answer, fishbulb...
  
  These folks are literally taking one for the team. The egomanical one has demanded they make this his legacy and, in the process, lay the foundation for an entire new entitlement program that will ensure Democrat success long down the road when the program becomes so entrenched, the masses that now depend on it will have to keep re-electing Democrats.
  
  So you've got a cycle of dependency on government and a government that will depend on those addicted to its services to keep it propped up.
  
  This was a major power play by the Democrats now -- that they are betting will pay them great dividends in terms of power in the future.
  
  This has NOTHING to do with what is right or best for the American people.

  Do you really believe that? You really think that these guys are going to "fall on the sword" for Obama just because he wants them to? You really think that there is no way that the Democrats in favor of this bill just might think it is the right thing to do and be voting in accordance with their beliefs, just as you would if you were voting?
  
  I've said it before, and I'll say it again. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE elected Obama and the congressman who are voting for this bill. In that sense, it is the will of the people. If what you guys on the right are saying is true, there will be a Democrat bloodbath this November in protest of this vote. If this happens, fine. The will of the people will be served. Long live Democracy and God Bless America.
• eersandbeers

  Gobuckeyes1 wrote:
  Do you really believe that? You really think that these guys are going to "fall on the sword" for Obama just because he wants them to? You really think that there is no way that the Democrats in favor of this bill just might think it is the right thing to do and be voting in accordance with their beliefs, just as you would if you were voting?
  
  I've said it before, and I'll say it again. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE elected Obama and the congressman who are voting for this bill. In that sense, it is the will of the people. If what you guys on the right are saying is true, there will be a Democrat bloodbath this November in protest of this vote. If this happens, fine. The will of the people will be served. Long live Democracy and God Bless America.

  
  People elected Obama because he wasn't Bush. Not because they wanted a takeover of the health care system.
  
  And we aren't a Democracy and never have been.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  The people did NOT elect Obama to do whatever the hell he wants -- even when a strong majority of the country is against it.
  
  This bill is being driven by ideology -- not pragmatism or some noble thoughts of doing the right thing.
  
  This is about strengthening the foundation of the party in power so that its power continues to grow.
  
  Do you know NOTHING about how Chicago politics works?
  
  This bill is a prime example of it in action.
• IggyPride00

  

  I am interested to see the fallout now that Obamacare is upon us.
  
  Gallup reported today that Obama had a 7 point swing in his approval rating over the past few days in a positive direction from 46/Approve, 47/Disapprove to 50/approve, 43/disapprove.
  
  For as far as it seems he has fallen, the fact that he is pushing through a bill that allows the government to takeover 1/6th of the economy, and is favored by only 35% of the American public, yet he has still managed to keep his approval rating in a range of 46-52% is pretty telling of how popular personally he is in this country.
  
  Everyone assumes as a forgone conclusion he is going to be ousted from the Presidency in 2012, but he has managed to keep a very high approval all while pushing through possibly the most divisive piece of legislation in this country in decades. That is unheard of, and scary because he has a huge base out there that seems to be unphased by anything he does.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Iggy,
  
  The cult of personality has alway (well, almost) been an integral part of the Presidency.
  Very, very few Presidents have done anything profound before being elected.
  President Obama is no different.
  
  
• FairwoodKing

  I am on disabilty and I have not been able to work for six years. My insurance and Medicaire are keeping me alive. If I lose my insurance I lose my life. That is why I support the President.
• tk421

  

  FairwoodKing wrote: I am on disabilty and I have not been able to work for six years. My insurance and Medicaire are keeping me alive. If I lose my insurance I lose my life. That is why I support the President.

  This bill will do nothing for your insurance except make it more expensive. The President doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about that woman that he's been using as an example of the evil insurance companies, it's all a power grab. The President you support is cutting funding to Medicare, to the tune of $500 Billion. That's not a person who cares about those on Medicare.
• gibby08

  

  eersandbeers wrote:

  IggyPride00 wrote: BHO is going to sign the Senate Bill supposedly very quickly after it is passed tonight to put it into law, but he is saving the grand ceremony and coronation of Obamacare for when the Senate passes the reconciliation bill supposedly. It should be a true spectacle for all to see considering liberals have wanted socialized medicine for over a century now and. Expect alot of talk coming soon as Obama being the deliverer.

  Unless they changed it, the law won't take effect for 3-4 years. After the Republican landslide in November, they will have time to repeal the bill.
  
  I will be willing to bet anything they won't though.

  Have you not seen the reports where it has said it will almost impossible to repeal it?
• tk421

  

  gibby08 wrote:

  eersandbeers wrote:

  IggyPride00 wrote: BHO is going to sign the Senate Bill supposedly very quickly after it is passed tonight to put it into law, but he is saving the grand ceremony and coronation of Obamacare for when the Senate passes the reconciliation bill supposedly. It should be a true spectacle for all to see considering liberals have wanted socialized medicine for over a century now and. Expect alot of talk coming soon as Obama being the deliverer.

  Unless they changed it, the law won't take effect for 3-4 years. After the Republican landslide in November, they will have time to repeal the bill.
  
  I will be willing to bet anything they won't though.

  Have you not seen the reports where it has said it will almost impossible to repeal it?

  That's because there is such a culture of living off the government in this country, once a new program starts, you can't get rid of it. Pretty soon, everyone will be living off the government. It's just a matter of time.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I may not agree with everything that Boehner is saying, but he is giving one hell of a speech. I'll give him that.
• gibby08

  

  tk421 wrote: This bill will do nothing for your insurance except make it more expensive.

  
  

  tk421 wrote: The President doesn't care about you.

  
  

  tk421 wrote: He doesn't care about that woman that he's been using as an example of the evil insurance companies, it's all a power grab.

  
  
  
  Those are some pretty big claims....have anything to back them up
• gibby08

  

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote: I may not agree with everything that Boehner is saying, but he is giving one hell of a speech. I'll give him that.

  How long will it be until Republicans are touting him as the next President
• tk421

  

  gibby08 wrote:

  tk421 wrote: This bill will do nothing for your insurance except make it more expensive.

  
  

  tk421 wrote: The President doesn't care about you.

  
  

  tk421 wrote: He doesn't care about that woman that he's been using as an example of the evil insurance companies, it's all a power grab.

  
  
  
  Those are some pretty big claims....have anything to back them up

  I don't need to. What makes you think anyone in D.C. gives a crap about you? Also, he stated he's on Medicare, it's been well documented in the news that Medicare will be cut almost $500 billion, how is that going to make his insurance better? Wake up, man. Get your head out of the Democrats butts.
• gibby08

  

  tk421 wrote:

  gibby08 wrote:

  tk421 wrote: This bill will do nothing for your insurance except make it more expensive.

  
  

  tk421 wrote: The President doesn't care about you.

  
  

  tk421 wrote: He doesn't care about that woman that he's been using as an example of the evil insurance companies, it's all a power grab.

  
  
  
  Those are some pretty big claims....have anything to back them up

  I don't need to. What makes you think anyone in D.C. gives a crap about you? Also, he stated he's on Medicare, it's been well documented in the news that Medicare will be cut almost $500 billion, how is that going to make his insurance better? Wake up, man. Get your head out of the Democrats butts.

  
  You guys always tell me to provide facts and links to back up my claims...but you guys don't have to
• tk421

  

  http://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-the-democratic-bill-save-money-by-taking-the-cleaver-to-medicare-2010-3
  
  There you go, robbing the poor to pay for the poor.
  

  Various analysts have found - and Democratic lawmakers have stated - these drastic cuts would lead to higher out-of-pocket costs, reduced benefits and fewer health care choices for our seniors.

  But wait, that doesn't matter because this bill will magically make health care free for everyone. It will be a utopia in this country. Saint Obama and Pelosi are here to save us.
• tk421

  

  ccrunner609 wrote: That crazy bitch thinks that this monster is going to trigger the economy?
  
  
  What planet it she on?

  Trigger the collapse, maybe.
• gibby08

  

  Wow....an op-ed from the House Minority Leader as proof....try again
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Not digging the speech. Many miscues and slipups.
  
  Substance wise, both speeches bring nothing new.
• gibby08

  

  Jesus...can we just vote already
• gibby08

  

  ccrunner609 wrote: Nancy Pelosi just said that this bill would create 4 million jobs? WTF?
  
  
  How does taxing everyone and passing it around in a form of free medicine gonna generate jobs?
  
  unemployment will stay double digits, shit I might just quit my job. No need to work. Welfare and free insurance. Sounds good.

  Any proof
• tk421

  

  gibby08 wrote: Jesus...can we just vote already

  Why, can't stand to hear your Queen talk?
• gibby08

  

  Once again...do you have an proof??
  
  Never liked Pelosi...her voice annoys the shit out of me
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  How did she really become speaker? She is an awful public speaker.