The National Anthem

• QuakerOats

  like_that;1873510 wrote:MNF was highest watched MNF game this season so far. Lol at anyone who thought/thinks the nfl will take a hit.

  
  They will indeed be taking a hit. I know people who simply tuned in last night to see if the players' shit show was continuing, and immediately tuned out after the anthem. I did not even go that far.
  
  And now DirecTV and others are issuing refunds for the Sunday Ticket package, about as fast as they can. Most people are not going to watch or support these dumb asses.
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/directv-allows-some-nfl-refunds-after-anthem-controversy-1506453159
• Laley23

  

  QuakerOats;1873564 wrote:Trying to recall how many players sat for the anthem when OJ Simpson got away with murdering a white woman.

  Probably about the same amount of fans who turned away from the NFL for good at that time.
• kizer permanente

  QuakerOats;1873565 wrote: I know people who simply tuned in last night to see if the players' shit show was continuing, and immediately tuned out after the anthem.

  They really showed them!
• Automatik

  

  lol...he's full of shit.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Ratings didn't drop across the country, but Quaker knows a few whackjobs who will NO LONGER WATCH ANTHER GAME! So yeah the ratings will def fall!
• MontyBrunswick

  

  QuakerOats;1873564 wrote:Trying to recall how many players sat for the anthem when OJ Simpson got away with murdering a white woman.

  Trying to recall how the OJ Simpson case correlated at all to the events this past weekend.
• HitsRus

  

  SportsAndLady;1873578 wrote:Ratings didn't drop across the country, but Quaker knows a few whackjobs who will NO LONGER WATCH ANTHER GAME! So yeah the ratings will def fall!

  Yeah, because one game means everything! The numbers could have been up because it was a big game, or because people wanted to see how "America's team" responded.
  When Browns players knelt in a pre-season game, it sparked a firestorm among the police and other safety units as well as veterans groups. ( it's not hard to find links to the controversy). After meeting, it appeared that things were patched up, but were re-ignited this weekend. Several VFW halls are now refusing to air Browns games.
  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/26/todd-starnes-vfw-american-legion-go-to-war-against-nfl.html
  
  Really, does the NFL need this? How much longer do they sit on their hands before they act to regain control of this situation? The funny thing is that most people support the cause, they just hate this being tied to the flag and the anthem. The owners can take a lot of pressure off the players if they just follow their own POLICY.... and for God's sake, fire the Commissioner... it should never have gotten to this point.
• kizer permanente

  Do you know what a lot of America needs? To grow up and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing and taking it personally when it doesn't matter to your life. Someone knelt down. Big fucking deal. Meanwhile I had to replace my sump pump bc it actually was affecting my life. Worry about the sump pumps in life, not what other people are doing.
• Laley23

  

  It's also hilarious that people are "giving up the NFL". But have been fine for years with the rapists, woman beaters, murders, drug dealers, drug traffickers, etc that have plagued their fields.
  
  I'm not sure how you turn your back now, but didn't before. Says a lot about them as people...
• kizer permanente

  Laley23;1873618 wrote:It's also hilarious that people are "giving up the NFL". But have been fine for years with the rapists, woman beaters, murders, drug dealers, drug traffickers, etc that have plagued their fields.
  
  I'm not sure how you turn your back now, but didn't before. Says a lot about them as people...

  Well because fox/CNN/MSNBC told me I should feel this way and they didn't back then. It was ok to not care back then.
• BRF

  

  Laley23;1873618 wrote:
  I'm not sure how you turn your back now, but didn't before. Says a lot about them as people...

  Maybe because they find it offensive that those types are allowed to play and make millions, then protest against the system?
• kizer permanente

  I'm just glad my house didn't burn down or my kid didn't get cancer because they knelt. I was really worried about that for a couple days.
• gut

  kizer permanente;1873617 wrote:Worry about the sump pumps in life, not what other people are doing.

  But isn't the whole point of the protests that people NEED to worry about what other people are doing? Or did you think the protests are only intended for the bigots committing actual acts of racism?
• kizer permanente

  gut;1873623 wrote:But isn't the whole point of the protests that people NEED to worry about what other people are doing? Or did you think the protests are only intended for the bigots committing actual acts of racism?

  Being aware and being butthurt are two very different things.
• HitsRus

  

  Just play football.
• kizer permanente

  HitsRus;1873625 wrote:Just play football.

  Just type on your computer. Don't have an opinion.
  (I'm not sure what you do for a living, I'm sorry)
• gut

  kizer permanente;1873624 wrote:Being aware and being butthurt are two very different things.

  Ohh, yes, AWARE....because before these protests hardly anyone was aware there's racism in America.
• kizer permanente

  gut;1873627 wrote:Ohh, yes, AWARE....because before these protests hardly anyone was aware there's racism in America.

  Ohh, yes, be butthurt. Because that fixes it!
• gut

  kizer permanente;1873628 wrote:Ohh, yes, be butthurt. Because that fixes it!

  I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from:
  1) First, you say worry about what affects you
  2) Then you say awareness is not butthurt
  3) To which I respond people are pretty well aware....and you follow with implying something should be done to fix it - which clearly contradicts the post I originally responded to.
  
  This is quite possibly the most passive aggressive call to action I've seen. Maybe you should start with some of the guys on the field who haven't given a dime or a minute of their time to actually doing something besides kneeling.
• Terry_Tate

  

  like_that;1873445 wrote:Can someone please entertain my question?!?!?!? What do you think the reaction would be if these guys protested something else. Let's say they kneel down to protest against abortions since that is a touchy subject. Do you think each side would be consistent with their current reactions? I don't.

  0% chance everyone's opinions would be the same as they are now. The hypocrisy by those on the right that think the NFL should be boycotted or the players should be forced to stand is absolutely unbearable.
  
  I know many conservatives that make fun of liberals perceived mentality of "You can think whatever you want to... as long as it's what I think", but it is the exact same thing that some conservatives are doing right now. I am a conservative myself, which is why I don't have any problem with the players taking a knee during the Anthem, it's their right. If people disagree with them taking a knee that's fine, it's a free country, but saying they should be forced to stand completely goes against what conservatives should think IMO.
  
  It's disheartening that the people outraged aren't even listening to what the players are saying or the motive behind what they're doing, they're just thinking the players views should match their own and are offended that they don't. But welcome to the USA in 2017, when Democrats/liberals and Republicans/conservatives just think the other side is 100% wrong and won't even listen to them.
• kizer permanente

  gut;1873629 wrote:I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from:
  1) First, you say worry about what affects you
  2) Then you say awareness is not butthurt
  3) To which I respond people are pretty well aware....and you follow with implying something should be done to fix it - which clearly contradicts the post I originally responded to.
  
  This is quite possibly the most passive aggressive call to action I've seen. Maybe you should start with some of the guys on the field who haven't given a dime or a minute of their time to actually doing something besides kneeling.

  It's simple to understand, really.... don't dramatize things. Don't be butthurt over stuff other people do. It's not worth it. It's not effective. It doesn't solve anything. Redirect your feelz to other stuff in your life that needs attended to.
  
  The other simple fact is your the type of guy who's not worth arguing with. You're the type of guy who wants people to give easy black and white answers for complicated gray problems like racism. You're the type of guy who says AWARENESS !!?!! That won't fix racism.!!?!!" bc it's just one of a million components of solving something that willl probably never be solved bc it's complexity. So go troll somewhere else. I'm not interested.
• gut

  kizer permanente;1873631 wrote:It's simple to understand, really.... don't dramatize things. Don't be butthurt over stuff other people do. It's not worth it. It's not effective. It doesn't solve anything. Redirect your feelz to other stuff in your life that needs attended to.
  
  The other simple fact is your the type of guy who's not worth arguing with. You're the type of guy who wants people to give easy black and white answers for complicated gray problems like racism. You're the type of guy who says AWARENESS !!?!! That won't fix racism.!!?!!" bc it's just one of a million components of solving something that willl probably never be solved bc it's complexity. So go troll somewhere else. I'm not interested.

  I'm not trolling - I'm calling asinine bullshit on someone who, on one hand, says don't worry about what other people do and then goes on to clearly state people need to care what others are doing (or not doing). Don't dramatize things, really? Hypocritical much?
  
  It IS a complicated issue where there are no black and white answers, but you can't seem to avoid contradicting yourself. By your logic, the people that need to chill out and not worry what others are doing are the people taking a knee. I never claimed that "awareness" is going to solve anything or that it isn't a component. The point was there is no lack of awareness or shortage of people bringing attention to the issue. This is obviously the sort of thing that antagonizes rather than brings people together, and if you can't see how that is counterproductive then I'm not the one lacking "awareness".
  
  What you can't seem to grasp is, yes, people want to ignore and not care what the kneelers are doing - they just want to watch a fucking football game without politics being shoved in their face in yet another outlet. So don't get all butthurt when people express their free speech and their right to "protest" the protests by saying "I don't want to see that, not here and not now". Those people are just as entitled to that opinion as the kneelers are to theirs.
  
  Kneeling is not activism. It doesn't do squat when there is absolutely no lack of awareness. It's just not a particularly smart or effective way to go about bringing change.
• kizer permanente

  gut;1873636 wrote:I'm not trolling - I'm calling asinine bullshit on someone who, on one hand, says don't worry about what other people do and then goes on to clearly state people need to care what others are doing (or not doing). Don't dramatize things, really? Hypocritical much?
  
  It IS a complicated issue where there are no black and white answers, but you can't seem to avoid contradicting yourself. By your logic, the people that need to chill out and not worry what others are doing are the people taking a knee. I never claimed that "awareness" is going to solve anything or that it isn't a component. The point was there is no lack of awareness or shortage of people bringing attention to the issue. This is obviously the sort of thing that antagonizes rather than brings people together, and if you can't see how that is counterproductive then I'm not the one lacking "awareness".
  
  What you can't seem to grasp is, yes, people want to ignore and not care what the kneelers are doing - they just want to watch a fucking football game without politics being shoved in their face in yet another outlet. So don't get all butthurt when people express their free speech and their right to "protest" the protests by saying "I don't want to see that, not here and not now". Those people are just as entitled to that opinion as the kneelers are to theirs.
  
  Kneeling is not activism. It doesn't do squat when there is absolutely no lack of awareness. It's just not a particularly smart or effective way to go about bringing change.

  No you're just completely missing the point. When a player kneels and it fires you up b/c you disagree with it and you throw your hand up and call names and claim you're never watching a sport .. ie:getting butthurt.. all you're doing is creating a further division. When you see someone protesting outside a planned parenthood and you lose your shit b/c theyre trying to control your body !! and now you hate religion!! and muh rightz!! you're creating further division. It's possible to acknowledge it, say well i don't fully agree but I can see why they're doing what theyre doing (inequality, baby rights) and go on about your day. To get butthurt and spew more shit compounds the divide. It's stupid. It's counter productive. You may not agree with what someone is doing, but ..tough shit. It's their right.. leave um alone.. go about your life. don't push the divide even further.
  And the point of kneeling is about awareness, dude. It's about making people see you and what your issue is. Yes obviously people know theres racism in America. There's racism in every country in the world too. And I'm sure most every country realizes it. But I'll reference laley's post in #119 and expand on it... it's not hard to see people talk/make comments who are coompletely unaware there's white privilege. Hell I didn't believe it originally either. I'm just an average guy who doesn't have anything special in life. Who TF helped me? But then you travel around the country/world and sit back an recognize little things like... yeah people tend to judge me less and are more willing to help me than that black or mexican dude they're probably a little scared of. And I don't feel thats my fault, but it's still a fact of life. It's tough to see sometimes, and I don't want to fully get into it and make a politcal war .. but, to me, it's there. And a lot of people don't see it. And listening to people who believe in the protests ... that's a main issue of theirs. So, there's still a lot of people unaware, and that's one of the points of this protest. It worked for me, I guess? I'd imagine, largley, it's not working though, no.
• superman

  Well SQ made it almost 2 full months on his name screen name before going full SQ. Never go full SQ.
• kizer permanente

  superman;1873640 wrote:Well SQ made it almost 2 full months on his name screen name before going full SQ. Never go full SQ.

  :rolleyes: