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  • QuakerOats
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1815138 wrote:Oh my God. You've got too much time on your hands. Much of your diatribe isn't in the form of facts, but rather ambiguous charges (e.g. "on the wrong side of every major issue and challenge we face").
    I don't have any time to be doing this BS; but I am going to go OT to help keep the most corrupt and criminal person who has ever gotten this close to the WH, out of the WH. I posted a ton of specifics, but no one has yet to refute any; the cold hard facts speak for themselves. Instead of observing and thinking, I guess a lot of people have to run to a fact-checker website because the corrupt politician said so. Bizarre.
  • QuakerOats
    Heretic;1815137 wrote:Yeah, that's the bizarrely hilarious thing about how things are going. I don't know if your more hardcore right-wingers nationwide are drama queens to the level of QQ, but there's something funny about people talking about how essential this election is in their "THE FATE OF THE NATION IS AT STAKE!!!!!" style...and then picking Trump to be their representative simply because he's not establishment and talks tough.

    The lack of logic and foresight is legitimately mind-boggling. With a real candidate who actually knows shit and can go three days without melting down, it's a slam dunk for the Rs. With Trump, it'll take a minor miracle and the only people who don't realize that are the hardcore Rs who simply bury their heads in the sand when it comes to him and pretend any setbacks he inflicts on himself are part of a vast conspiracy.

    I posted a lot of specifics; but as usual, shooting the messenger carries the day, as opposed to a discussion on each of the major issues that are actually important to Americans and the future of the country. Carry on with your prosecution and other babbling.
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1815149 wrote:Thank you. I don't know how many times I have to say he won the nomination because of crossovers and independents. He was certainly not the 'choice' of "The GOP".
    Except GOP voters chose Trump as their nominee. He definitely was their choice; I'm not sure how you can argue otherwise. You own it!

    Donald Trump!
  • bases_loaded
    Gosh a ruddies
    http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-americans/
  • Heretic
    QuakerOats;1815152 wrote:I posted a lot of specifics; but as usual, shooting the messenger carries the day, as opposed to a discussion on each of the major issues that are actually important to Americans and the future of the country. Carry on with your prosecution and other babbling.
    And you carry on with your impotent tears because your party nominated a guy the nation seemingly considers inferior to someone as bad as Clinton.
  • QuakerOats
    sleeper;1815155 wrote:Except GOP voters chose Trump as their nominee. He definitely was their choice; I'm not sure how you can argue otherwise. You own it!

    Donald Trump!
    You mean voters who crossed over and voted in the GOP primaries. Your deliberate 'inability' to grasp this is nonetheless entertaining.
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1815161 wrote:You mean voters who crossed over and voted in the GOP primaries. Your deliberate 'inability' to grasp this is nonetheless entertaining.
    Yes Trump is the nominee because people crossed over in enough numbers to get him the nomination.

    Tin foil hat much? You own it!
  • SportsAndLady
    Politifact is stupid. It's almost impossible to "fact check" everything a politician says. Why? Because everything they say is full of shit.

    But instead of calling Repubs liars AND dems liars, they just call out the repubs.

    That's why they're biased. They correctly call out republican lies but don't do the same for when the left lies.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1815150 wrote:I thought women were afforded the rights that all Americans have pursuant to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, or are you talking about some special rights that liberal justices will bestow?
    What special right are you suggesting will come about? I'm honestly asking.
    Heretic;1815157 wrote:And you carry on with your impotent tears because your party nominated a guy the nation seemingly considers inferior to someone as bad as Clinton.
    This.
    QuakerOats;1815161 wrote:You mean voters who crossed over and voted in the GOP primaries. Your deliberate 'inability' to grasp this is nonetheless entertaining.
    Yes, it was a mass conspiracy, but only for this election.

    First, you have one of the most disliked candidates among her own party since I've been around. Hell, they liked Kerry more than they like Clinton. She's so disliked among the Democratic Party that Stein is polling higher than she has in the past, and Johnson is actually pulling about as many from her as he is from Trump ... an oddity to be sure.

    All that to say, it seems like it would be an odd motive to try harder than they've tried in the past for the purpose of getting a candidate into the White House that they like less than those they've had in the past. So, the motive for this is sketchy at best.

    Second, can you imagine the volume of such a migration that would be necessary to make an impactful difference? This would have needed to be orchestrated. Did you hear of such an orchestration? Moreover, do you honestly think that such an orchestration could be so well-hidden? So, the odds of successful implementation are nil.

    Third, what evidence do you actually have to make this claim? Where is the proof of this massive conspiracy whereby thousands of people all got the memo, switched party affiliations, and all voted for the same guy in order the weight the primary results?

    Do you not hear how outlandish that claim is, particularly without sound evidence?
  • like_that
    SportsAndLady;1815166 wrote:Politifact is stupid. It's almost impossible to "fact check" everything a politician says. Why? Because everything they say is full of shit.

    But instead of calling Repubs liars AND dems liars, they just call out the repubs.

    That's why they're biased. They correctly call out republican lies but don't do the same for when the left lies.
    Snopes isn't any better either

  • QuakerOats
    O-Trap;1815167 wrote:
    What special right are you suggesting will come about? I'm honestly asking.
    It was Sleeper's comment, not mine. I asked the same question you did.




    Do you not hear how outlandish that claim is, particularly without sound evidence?
    County by county; state by state, massive amounts of people crossed over and voted. In Mahoning county alone, there were upwards of 30,000. I am not sure what you don't get. Do you need a list of thousands and millions of names or something? Regular folks, many who have not even voted recently, became re-engaged by Trump because he is an outsider, a non-politician, a non-establishment guy who raised the issues that we need to be discussing. Who said there was a conspiracy, besides you?
  • friendfromlowry
    QuakerOats;1815161 wrote:You mean voters who crossed over and voted in the GOP primaries. Your deliberate 'inability' to grasp this is nonetheless entertaining.
    sleeper;1815164 wrote:Yes Trump is the nominee because people crossed over in enough numbers to get him the nomination.

    Tin foil hat much? You own it!
    I crossed over and voted for Kasich.
  • FatHobbit
    Heretic;1815137 wrote: The lack of logic and foresight is legitimately mind-boggling. With a real candidate who actually knows shit and can go three days without melting down, it's a slam dunk for the Rs. With Trump, it'll take a minor miracle and the only people who don't realize that are the hardcore Rs who simply bury their heads in the sand when it comes to him and pretend any setbacks he inflicts on himself are part of a vast conspiracy.
    Personally I think many of "the deplorables" came out of the woodwork to vote for Trump. (I base this opinion solely on my Facebook feed)
  • BoatShoes
    Crimson streak;1815128 wrote:Exactly. I'd take a blind monkey for president over Hillary. At least trump sends a message to the establishment. He will probably be a shitty president but honestly he probably won't do shit and have all his people do all the work while he holds the title which I'm actually ok with, bc it's people that actual know what the fuck they are doing. Trump knows he doesn't know shit, I'll at least give him credit for that.


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    Trump literally is the opposite of not knowing he knows nothing. But, this is how people project their own justification into voting for the worst nominee probably ever.

    When the Columbus Dispatch is endorsing a dem it really is that bad but oh well...Trump is going to get 40 million votes...a complete embarassment.
  • Spock
    He will be North of 50 million and win the electoral college
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:It was Sleeper's comment, not mine. I asked the same question you did.
    Sleeper mentioned that justices would "uphold" the rights of women. That can be the current ones. It doesn't necessitate any special rights bestowed, which is what your comment stated (see below).
    QuakerOats;1815150 wrote:I thought women were afforded the rights that all Americans have pursuant to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, or are you talking about some special rights that liberal justices will bestow?
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    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:County by county; state by state, massive amounts of people crossed over and voted.
    Two things:

    1. Evidence of the crossover.

    2. Evidence that those who crossed over are the ones who voted for Trump in such a majority as to grant him the nomination.
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:In Mahoning county alone, there were upwards of 30,000.
    Evidence. See above.
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:I am not sure what you don't get. Do you need a list of thousands and millions of names or something?
    I need evidence in order to believe a claim as outlandish the one you've put forth. I'm not saying it's completely impossible (though I would say it probably is practically impossible). However, given how unlikely, I'm going to need evidence to believe it.
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:Regular folks, many who have not even voted recently, became re-engaged by Trump because he is an outsider ...
    Or a celebrity.
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:... a non-politician ...
    At the very least, he had never held political office. I'll grant you that. As far as when someone is a politician, I'd say he was a "non-politician" in the same way First Lady Clinton was a "non-politician." He's been rubbing shoulders and leveraging with them for years. He may not have been in the family, but he's been as close as a consigliere for some time, per his own admission.
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:... a non-establishment guy ...
    I sincerely can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. Per his own admission of having taken advantage of the broken system for his own gain by dealing with the establishment, he's anything but an outsider to the Washington muck.
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:... who raised the issues that we need to be discussing.
    The only issue he built his primary platform on was a wall. Every other portion of his platform was reactionary or ambiguous.

    Ironically, you're defending him as though you don't think he's a troubling candidate, but when someone brings up the fact that he's a troubling candidate, you blame crossovers (again, without providing evidence).

    You're not stupid, but if you're going to be reasonable, you can't expect anyone to just take your word for it, right? How do you know all this crossover took place? Where did you read it? Where are the numbers?

    And beyond that, how do you know that these crossover voters are the reason Trump won the nomination? Again, where did you read it? Where are the numbers?

    If the above two cannot be sufficiently backed, there are no justifiable grounds to believe that what you're saying is true.
    QuakerOats;1815169 wrote:Who said there was a conspiracy, besides you?
    What would you call a mass exodus from other parties all immigrating to the GOP to vote in a single candidate? You described it without saying it.
    friendfromlowry;1815172 wrote:I crossed over and voted for Kasich.
    You apparently didn't get the memo. You were supposed to cross over and vote for Trump to make sure he got the nomination.
  • gut
    Spock;1815175 wrote:He will be North of 50 million and win the electoral college
    That would be a landslide for Hillary...it will take more like 60-65M to win the electoral college.
  • CenterBHSFan
    sleeper;1815134 wrote:He will certainly bitch every day when our First Female President is elected and appoints 5 liberal SCOTUS justices who will uphold the rights of women.

    They wanted Trump though!
    I'm starting to think you would have voted for Hillary, anyway - no matter who the republican nominee was. Much like Ptown would have.

    "The lady doth protest too much, me thinks"
  • Fab4Runner
    Looks like women disagree with you, Quaker.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-women-are-defeating-donald-trump/

    I've been saying all along that other than straight, white men...who is going to vote for Donald Trump? Not women, not minorities, not gays. Straight white dudes. There are a lot of you, but not enough.
  • bases_loaded
    five thirty eight is owned by ESPN, which has proven time and time again that the story is more important than the facts. Of course their poll would show this discrepancy it's what Hillary is building her whole campaign around.
  • bases_loaded
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/

    go to town, it updates daily.
  • Heretic
    bases_loaded;1815216 wrote:five thirty eight is owned by ESPN, which has proven time and time again that the story is more important than the facts. Of course their poll would show this discrepancy it's what Hillary is building her whole campaign around.

    "Everything that disagrees with what I want is wrong!!!!"
  • like_that
    Yeah, I hate Hillary as much as bases does, but this election is going to be no contest. I just hope the Dems don't win the house at this point.
  • Fab4Runner
    bases_loaded;1815216 wrote:five thirty eight is owned by ESPN, which has proven time and time again that the story is more important than the facts. Of course their poll would show this discrepancy it's what Hillary is building her whole campaign around.
    He cites like 12 polls in there....!?
  • Fab4Runner
    like_that;1815219 wrote:Yeah, I hate Hillary as much as bases does, but this election is going to be no contest. I just hope the Dems don't win the house at this point.
    And yeah, I do not like Hillary. At all.