Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)

• SportsAndLady

  

  bases_loaded;1815376 wrote:Because where do the Rinos go if they come out against the guy who is representing their party wins the whole damn thing? Now you have two parties within 1 which is chaos. The DNC could've had the same thing but Bernie sold out for a private plane and another beach house.
  
  
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  I don't really know where they would go. But they shouldn't sell out and just vote Trump because he's a repub dude. I feel like you're talking in circles.
• bases_loaded

  

  Where are all these women Trump abused? Where's the panel of those he was racist to? If he's such a shitty human being why is the only thing Hillary's been able to accomplish is parading people with hurt feelz over out of context quotes?
  
  
  
  
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• O-Trap

  

  bases_loaded;1815382 wrote:Where are all these women Trump abused? Where's the panel of those he was racist to? If he's such a shitty human being why is the only thing Hillary's been able to accomplish is parading people with hurt feelz over out of context quotes?

  There's nothing out of context about suggesting you can grab a woman's vagina. A recording is hardly "people with hurt feelz."
  
  As for where they are, they probably don't want to be paraded around for being victims of sexual assault. I hardly think that's unreasonable. Beyond that, Trump does enough damage to himself when he speaks with a camera or recorder rolling.
  
  And while I'm not sure why the Clinton camp isn't capitalizing more on it (maybe they're waiting, or maybe they're incompetent), the civil rape case set for a December hearing certainly is more than just quotes out of context.
  
  Just as well, his claim against a judge presiding over his other case (the Trump University one) was that he was of Mexican descent, so he said it was a conflict of interest. The judge was born in Indiana and is a legal citizen. Not only is that an example of racism, but that's yet ANOTHER case that is currently in the works against Trump. That makes two.
  
  Perhaps these establishment Republicans realize that he's making a laughing stock of the party, and they don't want to be left to clean up his mess. I certainly wouldn't want to. The man is a laughable candidate.
• Con_Alma

  bases_loaded;1815382 wrote:Where are all these women Trump abused? ...
  
  
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  Here's two. Of course his campaign is denying the story.
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/300729-two-women-say-trump-touched-them-inappropriately-report
• Fab4Runner

  

  His own wife accused him of rape before backtracking and saying she just felt violated. I'd also feel violated if someone ripped my hair out, held my arms down and penetrated me without consent.
• bases_loaded

  

  Con_Alma;1815389 wrote:Here's two. Of course his campaign is denying the story.
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/300729-two-women-say-trump-touched-them-inappropriately-report

  After discovering a tape from 11 years ago these women come forward about things that also happened years ago?
  
  Interesting. He must have a body count worse than the Clintons to keep those mouths shut for so long.
  
  So far nothing that would land him in jail unlike Hillary who should be in jail for her email scandal alone.
  
  
  
  
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• bases_loaded

  

  "Both Leeds and Crooks said they support Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and Crooks has given less than $200 to Clinton and President Obama."
  
  Who gives money to presidential candidates that aren't millionaires? Fanatics
  
  
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• Fab4Runner

  

  bases_loaded;1815400 wrote:After discovering a tape from 11 years ago these women come forward about things that also happened years ago?
  
  Interesting. He must have a body count worse than the Clintons to keep those mouths shut for so long.
  
  So far nothing that would land him in jail unlike Hillary who should be in jail for her email scandal alone.
  
  
  
  
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  He was sued for sexual harassment in 1997. Long before the tape was even made.
• bases_loaded

  

  Fab4Runner;1815403 wrote:He was sued for sexual harassment in 1997. Long before the tape was even made.

  "Harth, who now runs a beauty business, says she’s put the lawsuit behind her, and get this, she says she’d even vote for Donald Trump in the upcoming election — what she calls “supporting a friend.”
  
  “I saw him [Donald] recently, and he said I looked good,” Harth said. “I have nothing but good things to say about
  
  "So were the sexual harassment allegations true? Harth says: “The allegations were twisted and embellished. Everything could be looked at in different way.”
  
  
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• Fab4Runner

  

  bases_loaded;1815404 wrote:"Harth, who now runs a beauty business, says she’s put the lawsuit behind her, and get this, she says she’d even vote for Donald Trump in the upcoming election — what she calls “supporting a friend.”
  
  “I saw him [Donald] recently, and he said I looked good,” Harth said. “I have nothing but good things to say about
  
  "So were the sexual harassment allegations true? Harth says: “The allegations were twisted and embellished. Everything could be looked at in different way.”
  
  
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  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
• Con_Alma

  Lets not forget that champion of women and renowned feminists Gloria Steinem back in the day when she announced in the New York* Times that there should be a "one free grope rule", in support of the then President Clinton.
  
  Yeah, I would bet that she doesn't have that opinion today.
• O-Trap

  

  Con_Alma;1815412 wrote:Lets not forget that champion of women and renowned feminists Gloria Steinem back in the day when she announced in the New York* Times that there should be a "one free grope rule", in support of the then President Clinton.
  
  Yeah, I would bet that she doesn't have that opinion today.

  She ought not. It's unacceptable.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Trump doesn't even know when Election Day is [emoji23][emoji23]
• QuakerOats

  Fab4Runner;1815352 wrote: Lol! Discussing sexual prowess. Unbelievable. Why do you think the world is full of pieces of shit like Brock Turner, Ma'lik Richmond and Trent Mays? Because Donald Trump, the man who wants to be President of the United States, and men like him tell them it's okay to grab a woman by her ***** and do anything they want to her.

  
  LOl is right. Might you be forgetting the great Bill Clinton, whose pattern of harassment, abuse, and rape spans decades, and was covered up by his wife who orchestrated the destruction of the victims in order to protect and expand their political ambitions. What a great example they were, abusing and raping in Arkansas, to BJ's in the oval office, to trysts with minors on Epstein Island .............. and she enables all of it, and then despicably buried the victims. Trump may be a jackass, but he is nowhere near the horrific depths of the Clintons.
• QuakerOats

  O-Trap;1815375 wrote:But Gary Johnson and Jill Stein can't win.
  
  Because nobody votes for them.
  
  Because they can't win.
  
  Because nobody votes for them.
  
  Because they can't win.

  
  Maybe you should have ridden Evan McMullin's horse.
• majorspark

  

  O-Trap;1815353 wrote:On one side, I have you championing Trump for being "elected by the people."

  O-Trap;1815353 wrote:
  On the other side, I have Quaker, who is blaming cross-overs for botching the primaries and giving the GOP the least-liked, easiest-to-vilify candidate in recent years.
  
  Which is it?

  55% of those who voted in the Republican primary voted for someone other than Trump. A plurality did however vote for him. As for the crossovers: The states that allow some form of an open primary Trump won a majority of them just north of 75%. That is with Ohio and Texas going to the homeboys. Its impossible to say what impact crossovers may have had in these states other than exit polls. Depending on party rules (winner take all and a reasonably close popular vote) I would say the impact was not that great on the overall outcome.
  
  Given an electorate frustrated with its leadership, the large number of candidates seeking nomination, and Republican party rules a rogue candidate was able to secure the nomination. The nuclear options discussed in the lead up to the Republican primary doesn’t look so bad nowadays. Look for the RNC to make significant rule changes governing primary elections.
  
  The Democrats have a political machine in place to take down rogue candidates. Bernie was surprisingly close to being able to overcome it. But the fix was in and Bernie took a knee.
  
  In the end we have reprobate vs reprobate.
  
  

  O-Trap;1815353 wrote:They care that he was shooting the shit about sexual assault.

  
  
  My wife and I were discussing this and whether this particular recorded incidence rose to the level of discussing sexual assault. The p***y grabbing comment was in the context of Trump stating "And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything." Bush goads him "Whatever you want" and Trump responds with the now infamous comment for emphasis. Let means allow. So if we take his word in that context it would not be sexual assault at least not in the legal sense. You have your groupies and gold diggers out there.
  
  I would not bet against a man of his track record when it comes to accusations of sexual assault. Accusers are coming out of the woodwork. Its reprehensible behavior and someone who takes advantage of his status in society for his own sexual gratification demonstrates a lack of self control and temperance to lead it. It hasn't seemed to matter with past leaders.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  majorspark;1815436 wrote:
  
  
  My wife and I were discussing this and whether this particular recorded incidence rose to the level of discussing sexual assault. The p***y grabbing comment was in the context of Trump stating "And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything." Bush goads him "Whatever you want" and Trump responds with the now infamous comment for emphasis. Let means allow. So if we take his word in that context it would not be sexual assault at least not in the legal sense. You have your groupies and gold diggers out there.

  so you and your wife discussed semantics to defend sexual assault.. got it. lol
• majorspark

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1815439 wrote:so you and your wife discussed semantics to defend sexual assault.. got it. lol

  In the legal sense yes we did.
• Fab4Runner

  

  QuakerOats;1815433 wrote:LOl is right. Might you be forgetting the great Bill Clinton, whose pattern of harassment, abuse, and rape spans decades, and was covered up by his wife who orchestrated the destruction of the victims in order to protect and expand their political ambitions. What a great example they were, abusing and raping in Arkansas, to BJ's in the oval office, to trysts with minors on Epstein Island .............. and she enables all of it, and then despicably buried the victims. Trump may be a jackass, but he is nowhere near the horrific depths of the Clintons.

  Bill Clinton is not running for POTUS, and I have already stated that I am not a fan of Hillary. What you just said has ZERO to do with the fact that you think talking and joking about sexual assault is OK because it's just "discussing sexual prowess." Un-fucking-believable. Truly. You can't even call out Trump for saying something awful and disgusting. You make excuses.
• QuakerOats

  Fab4Runner;1815444 wrote:Bill Clinton is not running for POTUS, and I have already stated that I am not a fan of Hillary. What you just said has ZERO to do with the fact that you think talking and joking about sexual assault is OK because it's just "discussing sexual prowess." Un-fucking-believable. Truly. You can't even call out Trump for saying something awful and disgusting. You make excuses.

  
  I didn't say Bill Clinton was running for president, but I did have to use his name and criminal behavior in order to point out Hillary Clinton's disgusting, abhorrent, and perhaps criminal behavior in enabling a predator (for decades) and vanquishing the victims of the predator, and as far as I know, she IS running for president.
  
  And nowhere have I said I approve of the language used by Trump.
• QuakerOats

  O-Trap;1815277 wrote:A couple things.
  
  1. If you did so, and I didn't see it, I certainly apologize for the desire for repetition. Do you know where you posted it?
  
  2. I don't really think a single locale or county is an accurate cross-section of the party, nationwide.
  
  3. I'm curious how they got the data on who switched parties, who voted, and how they all voted.
  

  Here are a couple of links. Given the closeness of the results in Ohio and PA in '12, the 'crossovers' could have enough of an impact to swing both states this time around. Obviously that would be significant. Whether largely similar numbers exist in just a couple of others states, I have not taken the time to research to know for sure. But it would only take flipping a few to achieve electoral success, however it remains a daunting task given the built-in advantages for dems.
  
  http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/nearly-100000-pennsylvania-voters-switch-from-democrat-to-republican/
  
  http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/apr/10/republican-leader-some-trump-voters-will/?mobile
  
  http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/15/requests-to-vote-by-mail-surge-above--le/?mobile
• Fab4Runner

  

  QuakerOats;1815445 wrote:I didn't say Bill Clinton was running for president, but I did have to use his name and criminal behavior in order to point out Hillary Clinton's disgusting, abhorrent, and perhaps criminal behavior in enabling a predator (for decades) and vanquishing the victims of the predator, and as far as I know, she IS running for president.
  
  And nowhere have I said I approve of the language used by Trump.

  You said he was discussing sexual prowess. That is NOT what he was doing. He was discussing sexual assault.
• bases_loaded

  

  Back on top on Rasumussen, must be why we have people tied to Clinton Foundation accusing Trump or rape 30 years later.
• bases_loaded

  

  Back on top on Rasumussen, must be why we have people tied to Clinton Foundation accusing Trump of rape 30 years later.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  bases_loaded;1815462 wrote:Back on top on Rasumussen, must be why we have people tied to Clinton Foundation accusing Trump of rape 30 years later.

  
  You mean the same Rasmussen that had Romney up every time? Yeah I'm sure they're terrified.