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ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper;1786811 wrote:Does one need to quantify work ethic to know the difference between the work ethic of a CEO and a shelf stocker at Walmart?

Work ethic is subjective, but with a little logic its easy to see the difference. Looking forward to your future requests for data while providing none yourself, nor any semblance of real world logic to support your statements. Continue to believe that poor people work just as hard as your average doctor or CEO. It's completely disingenuous and downright obtuse to pretend there is no correlation between work ethic and wealth.

You apparently can't read either, huh? I wasn't asking for data.. I said it doesn't exist. You finally admitted that.

And no you can't make a blanket statement that A works harder than B in any circumstance. Work ethic has little to do with one becoming a CEO as much as the situation a person was in... ie: went to a better school with better networking. A was smarter than B.
A CEO had a better foot in the door at a company than a shelf stocker in most cases. Not his work ethic.

rrfan

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786830 wrote:You apparently can't read either, huh? I wasn't asking for data.. I said it doesn't exist. You finally admitted that.

And no you can't make a blanket statement that A works harder than B in any circumstance. Work ethic has little to do with one becoming a CEO as much as the situation a person was in... ie: went to a better school with better networking. A was smarter than B.
A CEO had a better foot in the door at a company than a shelf stocker in most cases. Not his work ethic.

Now who is generalizing???

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786830 wrote:You apparently can't read either, huh? I wasn't asking for data.. I said it doesn't exist. You finally admitted that.

And no you can't make a blanket statement that A works harder than B in any circumstance. Work ethic has little to do with one becoming a CEO as much as the situation a person was in... ie: went to a better school with better networking. A was smarter than B.
A CEO had a better foot in the door at a company than a shelf stocker in most cases. Not his work ethic.

Then you're disingenuous to any rational discussion and deserve nothing. Enjoy mediocrity!

ZWICK 4 PREZ

rrfan;1786834 wrote:Now who is generalizing???

I don't know.. who?

sleeper

rrfan;1786834 wrote:Now who is generalizing???

Why bother? Just remember the only reason CEOs are where they are is because of Daddy and that shelf stockers work just as hard but they don't have the connections that the CEOs have.

LOL. Delusional.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper;1786840 wrote:Why bother? Just remember the only reason CEOs are where they are is because of Daddy and that shelf stockers work just as hard but they don't have the connections that the CEOs have.

LOL. Delusional.

like I said.. you cant read.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786841 wrote:like I said.. you cant read.

Because getting into a better school + better networking is all because of daddy? Or maybe getting into a better school requires work ethic to get top grades while balancing extra curriculars and performing well on standardized tests. That has nothing to do with work ethic? That's just luck and chance? Straight delusional.

like_that

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786793 wrote:I'm not asking for data. I'm saying it'd be stupid to say this could be backed up by data since there's no good metrics for measuring work ethic let alone a work ethic a wealth correlation.

It's common sense. What's more likely? A fast food employee half assing and keeping his job or someone in a high white collar position half assing and keeping his job?

What takes more work to achieve? A fast food job or a leadership position at an accounting firm.

You can list plenty analogies like those. As sleeper said its not an absolute correlation, but if you think about it overall most rich people work harder than poorer people.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper;1786846 wrote:Because getting into a better school + better networking is all because of daddy? Or maybe getting into a better school requires work ethic to get top grades while balancing extra curriculars and performing well on standardized tests. That has nothing to do with work ethic? That's just luck and chance? Straight delusional.

Where in the world did I say it has to do with daddy ? In some cases yes and others no. I also say in most cases person A is smarter than person B. what does that have to do with daddy ? Keep pulling shit out of your ass to see it sticks. Point remains there's a plethora of reasons why someone becomes CEO and someone becomes stocker. in other words you can't make blanket statements like work ethic.

rrfan

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786859 wrote:Where in the world did I say it has to do with daddy ? In some cases yes and others no. I also say in most cases person A is smarter than person B. what does that have to do with daddy ? Keep pulling shit out of your ass to see it sticks. Point remains there's a plethora of reasons why someone becomes CEO and someone becomes stocker. in other words you can't make blanket statements like work ethic.

I can...

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786859 wrote:Where in the world did I say it has to do with daddy ? In some cases yes and others no. I also say in most cases person A is smarter than person B. what does that have to do with daddy ? Keep pulling shit out of your ass to see it sticks. Point remains there's a plethora of reasons why someone becomes CEO and someone becomes stocker. in other words you can't make blanket statements like work ethic.

Alright, you're delusional and disingenuous. I'm done. Enjoy!

ZWICK 4 PREZ

like_that;1786857 wrote:It's common sense. What's more likely? A fast food employee half assing and keeping his job or someone in a high white collar position half assing and keeping his job?

What takes more work to achieve? A fast food job or a leadership position at an accounting firm.

You can list plenty analogies like those. As sleeper said its not an absolute correlation, but if you think about it overall most rich people work harder than poorer people.

Not disputing what you're saying. And agreeing its not an absolute statement. That's why stating it as an absolute statement is idiotic.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper;1786870 wrote:Alright, you're delusional and disingenuous. I'm done. Enjoy!

Correcting you doesn't make one disingenuous. Enjoy!

sleeper

Let's get back on topic.

Bernie will never be President. Fact.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786876 wrote:Correcting you doesn't make one disingenuous. Enjoy!

Yeah I'm the one who initiated the line of thought that work ethic and income are correlated and then you stated that's generalizing.

You're not interested in rational discussion or debate. It's pretty apparent from your posts on this topic and others that you lack any logical progression to your own ideas and beliefs, which of course are not rooted in any reality. It's almost impossible to even get to the point where we can have a rational debate because you a more interested in pretending to be clever in your own little bubble.

Let me know when you want to grow up and learn how the world works. Keep thinking that poor people "work hard" and that CEO's, doctors, lawyers all earn their money because of their daddy's connections; and that they work just as hard as a McDonald's line cook. It's an absolute joke someone with a college degree thinks that much less a degree in engineering. I'd return your degree.

sleeper

like_that;1786857 wrote:It's common sense. What's more likely? A fast food employee half assing and keeping his job or someone in a high white collar position half assing and keeping his job?

What takes more work to achieve? A fast food job or a leadership position at an accounting firm.

You can list plenty analogies like those. As sleeper said its not an absolute correlation, but if you think about it overall most rich people work harder than poorer people.

I tried, he doesn't get it. He wants to live in fantasy land and pretend rich people are lazily walking up to CEO positions because of their Daddy and that poor people would all be millionaires. It's almost comical that someone actually believes this, but here we are, in 2016, talking to a college educated person who truly believes poor people work as hard as doctors, CEOs, and lawyers with the ONLY difference being that the rich people had their daddies to cakewalk them to success.

No, let's just continue to stick our head in the sand and say "Well you can't generalize" when in reality the correlation is there between work ethic and income. But again, Zwick is disingenuous, delusional, and not interested in rational debate. He's more interested in an echo chamber confirming his own beliefs about how the world works instead of trying to understand reality.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

Lol stfu sleeper. Speaks of others being disingenuous while taking a simple minded approach towards issues. You're great at that. Yes sleeper ... You're right. It's work ethic that's the determining factor in ones wealth. Life's simple. You solved it. Isn't it great to think in absolute terms!!! People are idiots for delving into socioeconomics. You've had the answer the whole time! It's work ethic. It was so simple the whole time! Everyone has the same opportunity in life! Don't question it! People are only paid what they earn! If you take away that basic fact then capitalism no longer makes sense, and God forbid we approach that territory.
Thank you for settling it for everyone. Who knew life was so absolute?

QuakerOats

The only 'absolutes' are death and taxes.

And under liberals you are likely to die sooner, and pay more taxes.

Oh no, don't look now, another 'generalization' by The 'Oats.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786909 wrote:Lol stfu sleeper. Speaks of others being disingenuous while taking a simple minded approach towards issues. You're great at that. Yes sleeper ... You're right. It's work ethic that's the determining factor in ones wealth. Life's simple. You solved it. Isn't it great to think in absolute terms!!! People are idiots for delving into socioeconomics. You've had the answer the whole time! It's work ethic. It was so simple the whole time! Everyone has the same opportunity in life! Don't question it! People are only paid what they earn! If you take away that basic fact then capitalism no longer makes sense, and God forbid we approach that territory.
Thank you for settling it for everyone. Who knew life was so absolute?

You once again revert to classic Zwick.

I isolated one variable that can form the basis for a lot of other variables in life and simple stated the correlation between a great work ethic and a higher income exists. You apparently think everyone has the same work ethic and the only difference in income is because rich people have wealthy daddies.

Delusional and disingenuous. Classic Zwick.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper;1786913 wrote:You once again revert to classic Zwick.

I isolated one variable that can form the basis for a lot of other variables in life and simple stated the correlation between a great work ethic and a higher income exists. You apparently think everyone has the same work ethic and the only difference in income is because rich people have wealthy daddies.

Delusional and disingenuous. Classic Zwick.

Dude you're wrong. Yes a good work ethic can be a trait of successful, wealthy people. but it isn't mandatory nor exclusive to wealthy. It certainly doesn't distinguish them from poor people despite what you want to believe.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786914 wrote:Dude you're wrong. Yes a good work ethic can be a trait of successful, wealthy people. but it isn't mandatory nor exclusive to wealthy. It certainly doesn't distinguish them from poor people despite what you want to believe.

Please tell me where people with a poor work ethic are rich. Give me an example outside of lottery winners and trust fund babies where a lazy person was successful.

I mean, holy shit you can't be this dumb. Tell me more about all these lazy people with poor work ethic who have tons of money. LOL

sleeper

Your version of America is starting to make more sense; a fantasy land where lazy people become wealthy and there is zero correlation between hard work and larger incomes. LOL.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

Lol you just literally said I don't believe these people exist. Give me examples besides,of course, the examples we already know that exist. Wealth isn't new in this country. There's tons of people who's grandfathers and great grandfathers were wealthy that haven't had to hold a job ever in their lives. Not everyone is a self made person.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1786919 wrote:Lol you just literally said I don't believe these people exist. Give me examples besides,of course, the examples we already know that exist. Wealth isn't new in this country. There's tons of people who's grandfathers and great grandfathers were wealthy that haven't had to hold a job ever in their lives. Not everyone is a self made person.

So the answer is, "I don't have an example of lazy people with no work ethic being successful".

Delusional.

sleeper

http://www.businessinsider.com/richest-people-in-the-world-2015-4

Majority of billionares in 2015 were self made.

1,826 billionaires in 2015.
1,191 self made
230 inherited wealth
405 inherited wealth but are growing it

Tell me more about all these wealthy people just inheriting money from their grandfathers and having no work ethic.

Delusional. Let me know when you come back to reality.

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