Breaking down Bernie's plan

• rrfan

  

  I think that the party that is in the most trouble starts with a D! They are a mess do you want the old man that is a socialist or the liar that should be in jail. Good choices!
• BR1986FB

  
• isadore

  gosh a ruddies it is always so interesting to read the entitled, privileged haves try unsuccessfully to attack a movement for true social justice.
• BR1986FB

  isadore;1785274 wrote:gosh a ruddies it is always so interesting to read the entitled, privileged haves try unsuccessfully to attack a movement for true social justice.

  You mean the "entitled, privileged haves" who have busted their asses, for years, to get what they have, only to have some Socialist dumbass want to give it to the freeloaders?
• Al Bundy

  BR1986FB;1785277 wrote:You mean the "entitled, privileged haves" who have busted their asses, for years, to get what they have, only to have some Socialist dumbass want to give it to the freeloaders?

  It's not the freeloaders fault that they have no work ethic or ambition. They were clearly cheated by society.
• Apple

  

  BR1986FB;1785265 wrote:

  Pure gold! Reps!
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1785277 wrote:You mean the "entitled, privileged haves" who have busted their asses, for years, to get what they have, only to have some Socialist dumbass want to give it to the freeloaders?

  So racist.
• QuakerOats

  BR1986FB;1785265 wrote:

  
  
  Classic!
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^^As much as an R that I am, I can't say it's all wonderful on this side.
  
  Next Tuesday is the last stand for the remaining candidates standing for any type of moderation, and much like Custer, they will be slaughtered.
  Bernie Sanders has pushed Hillary Clinton even farther left than the liberal she already was....and in November there will be a clash of two diametrically opposed camps, and no matter the outcome, nothing good is going to come of it. Like two weather fronts colliding, were are in for stormy weather.
• BoatShoes

  BR1986FB;1785277 wrote:You mean the "entitled, privileged haves" who have busted their asses, for years, to get what they have, only to have some Socialist dumbass want to give it to the freeloaders?

  BR I can totally see who you believe those of us "on The left" might want to punish people who have earned their success and in turn reward the undeserving poor - much of this is our own fault as people like Bernie simply moan about "the rich" in imprecise terms and not enough to focus on the unfair or unjust things afflicting hard working ordinary folks.
  
  That is on us when the message routinely gets through that we want to take from hardworking people and reward the undeserving.
  
  And in reality I do not really think the average dem voter and the average pub voters are that far apart.
  
  At the end of the day Bernie's main idea is that the private medical industry is where there is massive freeloading e.g. companies rake in unearned rents from IP Rights they lobby Congress to grant them and then take much more out of the working man's wallet than Uncle Sam does.
  
  And then, Big banks will lobby the federal reserve board to raise interest rates and ensure millions of people are unemployed and have to live a life of freeloading or crime in order to live - all while inflation is low.
  
  The big banks cajole Congress and the Fed not to supply sufficient quantities of safe assets to our working people in the form of dollars and bonds and so they have to borrow money from banks at interest to buy Has and Groceries (Chase Freedom and Amex Daily Blue Cards did not use to exist and our government does not supply enough dollars to the economy to maintain economic growth without them).
  
  And on and on.
  
  
  So I understand where you are coming from and it is our own fault for talking about taxing income, etc. Instead of unearned rents, etc. and many other things and at the end of the day we both so not support freeloading - We have different ideas about where the worst freeloading takes place.
  
  We think eliminating y our health insurance premiums and paying a lot less to Medicare every month to negotiate better prices gets rid of freeloading.
  
  We think a full employment economy with more job openings than jobless workers stops unscrupulous employers from having the threat of mass unemployment as a bargaining chip and using it to to freeload on rents their business model doesn't warrant.
  
  We think we can save the working man a lot of his future earnings if he doesn't have to take out the equivalent of a mortgage just to get a basic piece of paper employers demand in our mass unemployment economy (True Full Employment could fix this too).
  
  Maybe we are wrong on the merits and that is the debate we ought to have IMHO. In any case, the point is that we want a world wherein we can all contribute to our country and earn a decent livelihood for doing so.
  
  I understand why there is a belief that we want to hinder the working man and I assure you that is not what we want. It is our own fault for pandering to interest groups rather than keeping the unifying message of favor for labor.
  
  We can all do better if we can all do better. Maybe that message doesn't come out right - that is what we are about.
• BoatShoes

  BR1986FB;1785277 wrote:You mean the "entitled, privileged haves" who have busted their asses, for years, to get what they have, only to have some Socialist dumbass want to give it to the freeloaders?

  BR I can totally see who you believe those of us "on The left" might want to punish people who have earned their success and in turn reward the undeserving poor - much of this is our own fault as people like Bernie simply moan about "the rich" in imprecise terms and not enough to focus on the unfair or unjust things afflicting hard working ordinary folks.
  
  That is on us when the message routinely gets through that we want to take from hardworking people and reward the undeserving.
  
  And in reality I do not really think the average dem voter and the average pub voters are that far apart.
  
  At the end of the day Bernie's main idea is that the private medical industry is where there is massive freeloading e.g. companies rake in unearned rents from IP Rights they lobby Congress to grant them and then take much more out of the working man's wallet than Uncle Sam does.
  
  And then, Big banks will lobby the federal reserve board to raise interest rates and ensure millions of people are unemployed and have to live a life of freeloading or crime in order to live - all while inflation is low.
  
  The big banks cajole Congress and the Fed not to supply sufficient quantities of safe assets to our working people in the form of dollars and bonds and so they have to borrow money from banks at interest to buy Has and Groceries (Chase Freedom and Amex Daily Blue Cards did not use to exist and our government does not supply enough dollars to the economy to maintain economic growth without them).
  
  And on and on.
  
  
  So I understand where you are coming from and it is our own fault for talking about taxing income, etc. Instead of unearned rents, etc. and many other things and at the end of the day we both so not support freeloading - We have different ideas about where the worst freeloading takes place.
  
  We think eliminating y our health insurance premiums and paying a lot less to Medicare every month to negotiate better prices gets rid of freeloading.
  
  We think a full employment economy with more job openings than jobless workers stops unscrupulous employers from having the threat of mass unemployment as a bargaining chip and using it to to freeload on rents their business model doesn't warrant.
  
  We think we can save the working man a lot of his future earnings if he doesn't have to take out the equivalent of a mortgage just to get a basic piece of paper employers demand in our mass unemployment economy (True Full Employment could fix this too).
  
  Maybe we are wrong on the merits and that is the debate we ought to have IMHO. In any case, the point is that we want a world wherein we can all contribute to our country and earn a decent livelihood for doing so.
  
  I understand why there is a belief that we want to hinder the working man and I assure you that is not what we want. It is our own fault for pandering to interest groups rather than keeping the unifying message of favor for labor.
  
  We can all do better if we can all do better. It doesn't always come out that way - in any event - that is what we are about.
• gut

  Banks never lobby to RAISE interest rates...that creates headwinds for their profitability. Banks like environments when rates are declining, because it creates positive carry for them where they have loans at higher interest rates then they are paying on new deposits.
• gut

  HitsRus;1785325 wrote: Next Tuesday is the last stand for the remaining candidates standing for any type of moderation, and much like Custer, they will be slaughtered.

  I think Hillary will probably be much more moderate than her campaign. Bill was ultimately pretty pragmatic and willing to compromise on his agenda. Trump might do similar, but he's just an idiot jerk.
  
  Ultimately it probably makes the electorate even more polarized, because if these people are angry now just wait until whomever is elected bends and backtracks on their campaign promises that the voters were so giddy about.
  
  The fact that we continue to teeter perilously on another recession is not going to help at all...and the Fed doesn't have the luxury of cutting interest rates 600 points. That means more ZIRP and quantitative easing, which hasn't done shit for Japan in 2 decades and hasn't done shit for us the past 5-6 years (other than to reinflate asset bubbles which caused so much pain when they popped in 2001 and 2008).
• BR1986FB

  BoatShoes;1785332 wrote:BR I can totally see who you believe those of us "on The left" might want to punish people who have earned their success and in turn reward the undeserving poor - much of this is our own fault as people like Bernie simply moan about "the rich" in imprecise terms and not enough to focus on the unfair or unjust things afflicting hard working ordinary folks.
  
  That is on us when the message routinely gets through that we want to take from hardworking people and reward the undeserving.
  
  And in reality I do not really think the average dem voter and the average pub voters are that far apart.
  
  At the end of the day Bernie's main idea is that the private medical industry is where there is massive freeloading e.g. companies rake in unearned rents from IP Rights they lobby Congress to grant them and then take much more out of the working man's wallet than Uncle Sam does.
  
  And then, Big banks will lobby the federal reserve board to raise interest rates and ensure millions of people are unemployed and have to live a life of freeloading or crime in order to live - all while inflation is low.
  
  The big banks cajole Congress and the Fed not to supply sufficient quantities of safe assets to our working people in the form of dollars and bonds and so they have to borrow money from banks at interest to buy Has and Groceries (Chase Freedom and Amex Daily Blue Cards did not use to exist and our government does not supply enough dollars to the economy to maintain economic growth without them).
  
  And on and on.
  
  
  So I understand where you are coming from and it is our own fault for talking about taxing income, etc. Instead of unearned rents, etc. and many other things and at the end of the day we both so not support freeloading - We have different ideas about where the worst freeloading takes place.
  
  We think eliminating y our health insurance premiums and paying a lot less to Medicare every month to negotiate better prices gets rid of freeloading.
  
  We think a full employment economy with more job openings than jobless workers stops unscrupulous employers from having the threat of mass unemployment as a bargaining chip and using it to to freeload on rents their business model doesn't warrant.
  
  We think we can save the working man a lot of his future earnings if he doesn't have to take out the equivalent of a mortgage just to get a basic piece of paper employers demand in our mass unemployment economy (True Full Employment could fix this too).
  
  Maybe we are wrong on the merits and that is the debate we ought to have IMHO. In any case, the point is that we want a world wherein we can all contribute to our country and earn a decent livelihood for doing so.
  
  I understand why there is a belief that we want to hinder the working man and I assure you that is not what we want. It is our own fault for pandering to interest groups rather than keeping the unifying message of favor for labor.
  
  We can all do better if we can all do better. Maybe that message doesn't come out right - that is what we are about.

  I've already stated my stance.... don't butt rape me on taxes (Bernie will), keep my country safe (skeptical any of them will but have the least faith in Bernie & Hillary here), don't FORCE people to have healthcare and don't be giving my tax money to some 24 year old girl who's popping out children to "earn" her "income." Smoke all the weed you want, have abortions when warranted (not as a form of birth control) and enjoy life. As I've said, I can't stand the far extremes (Bible thumping Republicans & "if you're liberal you've GOT to vote Dem!" or "if you're a woman, you've GOT to vote for Hillary!"
• rrfan

  

  isadore;1785274 wrote:gosh a ruddies it is always so interesting to read the entitled, privileged haves try unsuccessfully to attack a movement for true social justice.

  I am sure there is a story behind why you start with "gosh a ruddies" all the time but I don't get it and it is very annoying!
• BR1986FB

  rrfan;1785373 wrote:I am sure there is a story behind why you start with "gosh a ruddies" all the time but I don't get it and it is very annoying!

  Because "hi diddly ho neighbor" was taken by Ned Flanders, of course !
• Belly35

  

  rrfan;1785373 wrote:I am sure there is a story behind why you start with "gosh a ruddies" all the time but I don't get it and it is very annoying!

  The union boss man told him to do it ...with a ring in his nose he goose steps to their commands
• QuakerOats

  rrfan;1785373 wrote:I am sure there is a story behind why you start with "gosh a ruddies" all the time but I don't get it and it is very annoying!

  
  You will come to know that it is really the best part of his posts.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1785385 wrote:You will come to know that it is really the best part of his posts.

  Amen to that. "Gosh a ruddies" is his schtick and brand. You'll find that it generally is ignored along with the rest f his posts.
• Con_Alma

  BR1986FB;1785349 wrote:... have abortions when warranted (not as a form of birth control) ...

  Can an abortion be anything but a form of birth control???
• like_that

  

  Con_Alma;1785456 wrote:Can an abortion be anything but a form of birth control???

  Pretty sure he meant in the sense of don't have careless sex, because you know at worst you can always have an abortion.
• isadore

  BR1986FB;1785277 wrote:You mean the "entitled, privileged haves" who have busted their asses, for years, to get what they have, only to have some Socialist dumbass want to give it to the freeloaders?

  gosh a ruddies how does it feel to be so self delusional. We have a system increasingly set up to benefit the rich few at the expense of the many. A system where wealth consistently over the past decades has gone to a decreasing percentage of the population, the entitled, privileged haves.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1785457 wrote:Pretty sure he meant in the sense of don't have careless sex, because you know at worst you can always have an abortion.

  Precisely.
  
  I meant more so is the cases of rape and stuff like that. I think it's bullshit that some of these extreme Republicans think it shouldn't be allowed, period.
• BR1986FB

  isadore;1785463 wrote:gosh a ruddies how does it feel to be so self delusional. We have a system increasingly set up to benefit the rich few at the expense of the many. A system where wealth consistently over the past decades has gone to a decreasing percentage of the population, the entitled, privileged haves.

  I don't consider myself "rich" but it pisses me off that I pay more taxes in a year than a lot people's salaries. Have no issues paying for police, fire & road maintenance, stuff like that, but these pieces of shit (Welfare mooches who shouldn't be getting it) sucking off the teet of the "haves" can go to Hell.
• Con_Alma

  like_that;1785457 wrote:Pretty sure he meant in the sense of don't have careless sex, because you know at worst you can always have an abortion.

  I guess I'm completely missing something because isn't that where the vast majority of abortions come from...."careless" or unplanned pregnancies...so the birth is controlled by eliminating before further maturation???