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Breaking down Bernie's plan

  • Belly35
    Bernie why is Bernie still around, because he and his money other socialist money people are waiting for the Hillary crash. That moment when the FBI files, that moment Leaner mention Hillary, that geek drop the ball on Hillary e mail server, that time when 4 dead America soldier lives matter. Bernie will be the last man standing for the Socialist Democratic Liberal Party. It will be like a grand opening of a new Wal-Mart in all the splendor of free grab bags night in Ferguson.
  • isadore
    sleeper;1785676 wrote:It's not the problem of successful people, people that actually add value to society, to make sure those who add zero value get free handouts for existing.

    The policies are working as intended, providing incentive for people to achieve success which filters down into a better life for everyone. If we slant out policies to incentive poor behavior, we all lose. I'm hoping the next President puts policies in place that provide even greater incentive to aspire for greatness rather give handouts to stupid people.
    gosh a ruddies. The people who add value to our society are the working people who are exploited by an economic system stacked against them. The present system as it has functions for the last several decades that has denied the rewards to the average American. The system is stacked to reward the privileged haves only.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1785720 wrote:gosh a ruddies. The people who add value to our society are the working people who are exploited by an economic system stacked against them. The present system as it has functions for the last several decades that has denied the rewards to the average American. The system is stacked to reward the privileged haves only.
    Only in your delusional mind...
  • isadore
    sleeper;1785722 wrote:Only in your delusional mind...
    gosh a ruddies you are one of those who are so blind because you refuse to see the truth.
  • O-Trap
    I made the mistake of venturing into the Politics forum ...

    1. The site quoted is not a recognizedly fair source, and the writer here was a supporter of Bernie Sanders going into the study per his own words:

    "When I started supporting Bernie Sanders for President, I fully expected to pay a little bit more to ensure that all of my neighbors were guaranteed access to healthcare and a decent standard of living. That would have been a good deal in my book. The fact that he can do all of that and more while saving money for the vast majority of Americans is a nice bonus, though."

    As a matter of inductive logic, it can then be said that he seems to have had his conclusions set prior to actually gathering the facts outlined. There should be no shock that the party he already supported going into the study is the one who looked good coming out.

    2. To suggest that people who run businesses will never react to policy which affects their bottom line is asinine. Now, if the difference is negligible or would cost more to circumvent, then perhaps they might resist reacting, but people will always alter their actions in light of policy that affects their financial state if it is prudent to do so. I've worked with a company over the last several years that moved its corporate headquarters to Mauritius because of new tax policy in its prior location. And because people will react to policy, you can't look at the current economic climate as an adequate variable in trying to determine the effect of policy change as it relates to that climate. If a bully steals your lunch money on Main Street when you walk to school, and you can get there another way, you'll get there the other way. The same driving logic applies.

    3. As for the free education and so forth, talk to a Cuban. Castro had similar policies set up, but they resulted in such increased use that the burden left those not in power also in poverty, whether they had to pay at the window for their physical at the doctor's office or not.

    4. Ultimately, it won't matter who is elected, because there will be enough fighting among the houses of Congress that anything Sanders would hope to pass would die in Congress, anyway. Frankly, at this point, I don't mind. A government too dysfunctional to pass ineffective and additionally restrictive legislation might be the true "lesser evil" of the whole of politics at the federal level.

    Ultimately, while we're arguing over whether it's the businesses ruining the economy or the government ruining the economy, I would suggest that it is when each tries to force, coerce, or deal the other side into something that ruins the economy the most.
  • majorspark
    17 yr olds for Bernie in Ohio.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/sanders-ohio-lawsuit/index.html
  • rrfan
    isadore;1785732 wrote:gosh a ruddies you are one of those who are so blind because you refuse to see the truth.
    gosh a ruddies.....blahhhh.....you are probably won of the lazy people that want to get paid 15 bucks an hour to flip burgers. There is nothing stacked against you except your poor attitude. You want to make more money....GO EARN IT!
  • isadore
    rrfan;1786402 wrote:gosh a ruddies.....blahhhh.....you are probably won of the lazy people that want to get paid 15 bucks an hour to flip burgers. There is nothing stacked against you except your poor attitude. You want to make more money....GO EARN IT!
    gosh a ruddies wealth flows to the few as we suffer with massive mal distribution of wealth. We have less social mobility than almost all of the advanced nations of the world.

    "won" tsk, tsk! Just another example of your latent but blatant homophone phobia.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1786464 wrote:gosh a ruddies wealth flows to the few as we suffer with massive mal distribution of wealth. We have less social mobility than almost all of the advanced nations of the world.

    "won" tsk, tsk! Just another example of your latent but blatant homophone phobia.
    Wealth flows to the intelligent people who work hard and sacrifice for their money. They earned it.

    Poor people are stupid and have earned nothing. Let me eat cake.
  • Belly35
    isadore;1786464 wrote:gosh a ruddies wealth flows to the few as we suffer with massive mal distribution of wealth. We have less social mobility than almost all of the advanced nations of the world.

    "won" tsk, tsk! Just another example of your latent but blatant homophone phobia.

    Wealth flow to those who work for it, will to achieve, set goal, acquire skills and education and most of all has ambition. Mobility requires a backbone, dedication, passion and gumption .... Anything less laziness.

    youre poor because you want to be poor .... It is your comfort zone
  • QuakerOats
    isadore;1785720 wrote:gosh a ruddies. The people who add value to our society are the working people who are exploited by an economic system stacked against them. The present system as it has functions for the last several decades that has denied the rewards to the average American. The system is stacked to reward the privileged haves only.

    I know; isn't it amazing!

    The only part I can't figure out is why tens of millions of people are still risking their lives to escape socialist/communist repression in their own country in order to come to America for their opportunity to improve themselves in our free enterprise capitalist economy.
  • isadore
    sleeper;1786467 wrote:Wealth flows to the intelligent people who work hard and sacrifice for their money. They earned it.

    Poor people are stupid and have earned nothing. Let me eat cake.
    gosh a ruddies wealth flows to the haves because they have tilted the economic table. You are mistaking what you are eating on daily basis for cake.
  • isadore
    Belly35;1786469 wrote:Wealth flow to those who work for it, will to achieve, set goal, acquire skills and education and most of all has ambition. Mobility requires a backbone, dedication, passion and gumption .... Anything less laziness.

    youre poor because you want to be poor .... It is your comfort zone
    gosh a ruddies another of the blind who can not see the obvious fact that our economic system has been tilted against large majority of Americans.
  • BR1986FB
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  • QuakerOats
    QuakerOats;1786484 wrote:I know; isn't it amazing!

    The only part I can't figure out is why tens of millions of people are still risking their lives to escape socialist/communist repression in their own country in order to come to America for their opportunity to improve themselves in our free enterprise capitalist economy.

    I knew Isadore would not comment on the above.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1786501 wrote:gosh a ruddies wealth flows to the haves because they have tilted the economic table. You are mistaking what you are eating on daily basis for cake.
    The economic table will always be tilted to the talented and productive. Tilting it in any other direction would be a disaster that we would never recover from.

    If poor people want something, perhaps they should provide something of value to society.
  • isadore
    QuakerOats;1786538 wrote:I knew Isadore would not comment on the above.
    Gosh a ruddies you are pathetic in your need for attention. There are millions of people now who wish they could get in to those Social Democracy that Bernie advocates. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands. Places with socialize medicine and socialist government like France. Nations with extensive welfare systems like Germany. Millions and millions
  • isadore
    sleeper;1786546 wrote:The economic table will always be tilted to the talented and productive. Tilting it in any other direction would be a disaster that we would never recover from.

    If poor people want something, perhaps they should provide something of value to society.
    hardly, gosh a ruddies. What you have is increasingly a system that sends it rewards to those with wealth at the expense of those whose labor produces that wealth.
  • jmog
    isadore;1786549 wrote:Gosh a ruddies you are pathetic in your need for attention. There are millions of people now who wish they could get in to those Social Democracy that Bernie advocates. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands. Places with socialize medicine and socialist government like France. Nations with extensive welfare systems like Germany. Millions and millions
    Incorrect, the US accounts for about 20% of the worlds immigration (incoming) even though it is only 5% of the world population. In other words, people would rather be here.

    According to Wikipedia, there are only 800,000 TOTAL US immigrants living in ALL of the European Union. There are over 4 million from the EU living in the US.

    Sorry that facts don't like up with your asinine statements.
  • isadore
    jmog;1786551 wrote:Incorrect, the US accounts for about 20% of the worlds immigration (incoming) even though it is only 5% of the world population. In other words, people would rather be here.

    According to Wikipedia, there are only 800,000 TOTAL US immigrants living in ALL of the European Union. There are over 4 million from the EU living in the US.

    Sorry that facts don't like up with your asinine statements.
    gosh a ruddies I don't think if you looked at the nations I listed that number would be any where near as true.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1786550 wrote:hardly, gosh a ruddies. What you have is increasingly a system that sends it rewards to those with wealth at the expense of those whose labor produces that wealth.
    So you are against rewarding people who sacrifice a lot in order to provide jobs for people to support their families?

    You're a monster.
  • QuakerOats
    isadore;1786549 wrote:Gosh a ruddies you are pathetic in your need for attention. There are millions of people now who wish they could get in to those Social Democracy that Bernie advocates. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands. Places with socialize medicine and socialist government like France. Nations with extensive welfare systems like Germany. Millions and millions

    Good --- send all those types of people there; we sure as hell don't want their lazy, freeloading ass over here.
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1786556 wrote:Good --- send all those types of people there; we sure as hell don't want their lazy, freeloading ass over here.
    Agreed. I will buy their ticket.
  • jmog
    isadore;1786554 wrote:gosh a ruddies I don't think if you looked at the nations I listed that number would be any where near as true.
    Actually, if you read what I wrote you would realize that I included the EU as a whole...so you are either bad at math or bad at geography...or both.
  • Belly35
    isadore;1786549 wrote:Gosh a ruddies you are pathetic in your need for attention. There are millions of people now who wish they could get in to those Social Democracy that Bernie advocates. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands. Places with socialize medicine and socialist government like France. Nations with extensive welfare systems like Germany. Millions and millions
    those counties all have legalized prositution.... No wonder they have socialized medicine, it a career requirement