Simplest reason poor are poor

• isadore

  gut;1582563 wrote:They are only punished by the irresponsibility of their mother. If you want to break cycles of poverty, start holding people accountable and teaching personal responsbility.

  1. As the stats above show the myth of hordes of welfare queens having child after child to get more funds is not supported by the small average size of the welfare families.]
  
  2. Only the heartless are so ready to bringing suffering to children based on their own self righteousness and cheapness.
• gut

  isadore;1582572 wrote:1. As the stats above show the myth of hordes of welfare queens having child after child to get more funds is not supported by the small average size of the welfare families.

  My comments have nothing to do with welfare queens...It's purely about poor personal choices that result in having a child you aren't ready for and/or can't afford.
  
  Now would you care to post statistics with regard to unplanned pregnancies of poor people vs. wealthy people? Many of the advantages you rail about being so unfair are because those parents made smart and responsible life choices.
  
  But your solution is to INCREASE subsidies for poor decisions...despite 30-some years of the "war on poverty" being about as effective as the "war on drugs".
• isadore

  gut;1582582 wrote:My comments have nothing to do with welfare queens...It's purely about poor personal choices that result in having a child you aren't ready for and/or can't afford.
  
  Now would you care to post statistics with regard to unplanned pregnancies of poor people vs. wealthy people? Many of the advantages you rail about being so unfair are because those parents made smart and responsible life choices.
  
  But your solution is to INCREASE subsidies for poor decisions...despite 30-some years of the "war on poverty" being about as effective as the "war on drugs".

  Now there is good news for people with your view
  The abortion rate in the United States dropped 8 percent between 2000 and 2008, while rising nearly 18 percent among the country's poorest women -- a trend that researchers believe might reflect tough economic times. Of the more than 1.2 million legal abortions reported in 2008, women whose family income fell below the national poverty level accounted for 42 percent of them.
  
  But now "Increasingly, we're seeing restrictions placed on abortion services, and this shows that it's going to have a disproportionate impact on poor women," Jones said. Planned Parenthood puts the the cost of an abortion during the first trimester at between $300 to $950 -- a fee many women front out-of-pocket because of a lack of insurance coverage, confusion about whether the procedure is covered or a desire for privacy. some bad news for you
  
  http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/abortion-rate-poor-women/story?id=13665925
  are those smart and responsible life choices for you.
  In your views
  Better for you to abort
  or to have them born, and slowly starve them as you cut the funds to support them.
• rmolin73

  

  Classyposter58;1582523 wrote:I think most simply do not aspire to do more because they were not told to

  +1
• gut

  isadore;1582589 wrote:Now there is good news for people with your view

  Unfortunately the poor are 5X more likely to have an unplanned pregnancy.
  
  LOL, 2000-2008 the Bush years....I bet those numbers are going to be going a different direction with Uncle Sugar in the WH.
• WebFire

  Zombaypirate;1582461 wrote: Even if every citizen in the US went to school and received a PHD there would have to be someone to man the Fast food joints and lesser jobs.

  I think this is one of the most overlooked parts of our economy.
• isadore

  gut;1582594 wrote:Unfortunately the poor are 5X more likely to have an unplanned pregnancy.
  
  LOL, 2000-2008 the Bush years....I bet those numbers are going to be going a different direction with Uncle Sugar in the WH.

  what would make the numbers go the other way are the efforts of pro lifers to deny government funding for abortion.
  
  
  So given your attitude, you would support taking money from child support and applying to government abortion funding.
• BoatShoes

  Mandated Abortions for all Unwed mothers. Make it illegal for Hospitals/OB-GYN to assist unwed mothers with their pregnancies. It is unconscionable that these sloths are having sex and getting knocked up. This proposal is better than Sleeper's because we don't stick the taxpayer with having to raise a runt for 18 years that will probably end up a criminal and welfare cheat that votes democrat.
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1582664 wrote:Mandated Abortions for all Unwed mothers. Make it illegal for Hospitals/OB-GYN to assist unwed mothers with their pregnancies. It is unconscionable that these sloths are having sex and getting knocked up. This proposal is better than Sleeper's because we don't stick the taxpayer with having to raise a runt for 18 years that will probably end up a criminal and welfare cheat that votes democrat.

  I don't agree with mandatory abortions but provide a disincentive to the unwed mother to have a child. Is having child that you cannot care for and committing child abuse and spending 10+ years in jail worth it? I'll leave it up to the mother to decide.
• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1582726 wrote:I don't agree with mandatory abortions but provide a disincentive to the unwed mother to have a child. Is having child that you cannot care for and committing child abuse and spending 10+ years in jail worth it? I'll leave it up to the mother to decide.

  You're giving these m00chers too much credit. They want to be locked up in warm cages with a bed and food provided by the taxpayer dontcha know? That is their dream. Then they get to hand off their progeny to be cared for by the taxpayer while they're at it.
  
  More mouths to feed suckling on the productive Sleeper. Might as well just minimize the mouths to feed.
  
  Maybe we can compromise. Let's force the abortion and then throw the woman in prison for getting pregnant out of wedlock when she was poor when she won't be able to make that mistake again.
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1582734 wrote:You're giving these m00chers too much credit. They want to be locked up in warm cages with a bed and food provided by the taxpayer dontcha know? That is their dream. Then they get to hand off their progeny to be cared for by the taxpayer while they're at it.
  
  More mouths to feed suckling on the productive Sleeper. Might as well just minimize the mouths to feed.
  
  Maybe we can compromise. Let's force the abortion and then throw the woman in prison for getting pregnant out of wedlock when she was poor when she won't be able to make that mistake again.

  You take my money, I take your freedom. Seems like a fair trade and its no different than theft which is illegal in this country. I have no sympathy for poor stupid people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Throw them in jail and feed them bread/water for the rest of their lives as that is far cheaper than letting them eat potato chips and smoke cigarettes all day. We will take their child and give them to good parents who will help end the poverty cycle.
• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1582755 wrote:You take my money, I take your freedom. Seems like a fair trade and its no different than theft which is illegal in this country. I have no sympathy for poor stupid people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Throw them in jail and feed them bread/water for the rest of their lives as that is far cheaper than letting them eat potato chips and smoke cigarettes all day. We will take their child and give them to good parents who will help end the poverty cycle.

  Ridiculous.
  
  Moochers get to replicate their DNA and have it raised by the taxpayer? Unbelievable. Here I thought you were against perverse incentives.
  The whole purpose of life is to survive and replicate our DNA and here you are letting scum pass this off to the rest of us. It is the ultimate free-loading. They shouldn't be able to outsource child rearing and the molding of their own progeny to the productive while they get free housing and food in prison.
  
  You're literally for letting the scum of society fulfill the meaning of life while they contributed nothing to society. All you've got to do to is get fucked and voila, rich families take in your child and the whole course of history for your DNA is changed forever.
  
  With your solution, getting knocked up and thrown into prison is the path to prosperity, not real punishment. A m00cher who wants the absolute best for her progeny is more likely to get knocked up on your scenario than if she has a kid just to get food stamps from democrats like now.
  
  The only fair thing to do is abort early and often and then throw them in prison.: thumbup:
• gut

  prima nocta....we'll breed poverty out
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1582778 wrote:Ridiculous.
  
  Moochers get to replicate their DNA and have it raised by the taxpayer? Unbelievable. Here I thought you were against perverse incentives.
  The whole purpose of life is to survive and replicate our DNA and here you are letting scum pass this off to the rest of us. It is the ultimate free-loading. They shouldn't be able to outsource child rearing and the molding of their own progeny to the productive while they get free housing and food in prison.
  
  You're literally for letting the scum of society fulfill the meaning of life while they contributed nothing to society. All you've got to do to is get fucked and voila, rich families take in your child and the whole course of history for your DNA is changed forever.
  
  With your solution, getting knocked up and thrown into prison is the path to prosperity, not real punishment. A m00cher who wants the absolute best for her progeny is more likely to get knocked up on your scenario than if she has a kid just to get food stamps from democrats like now.
  
  The only fair thing to do is abort early and often and then throw them in prison.: thumbup:

  Actually I'm unconcerned about stopping the first replication of DNA at taxpayers expense as its going to happen anyway in the short run because people are dumb. However, by placing these adults in jail for 10 years, you essentially are limiting each irresponsible piece of shit parental unit(hereafter referred as 'Democrats') to only 1 child instead of multiple. Since that one child is now being placed with intelligent, well reasoned people, that child has a better chance to grow up not as a Democrat but rather a responsible citizen. You also are forgetting that bread and water are much cheaper than funding cigarettes and potato chips that we provided for free anyway.
  
  The only solution to poverty is the complete destruction of stupid people. Since I don't advocate the needless slaughter of human beings, prison sentences are the only humane way to solve the problem.
• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1582860 wrote:The only solution to poverty is the complete destruction of stupid people. Since I don't advocate the needless slaughter of human beings, prison sentences are the only humane way to solve the problem.

  These sentences are contradictory. But let's just go with the the sentiment you expressed in the first one. Stupid p00r on SNAP, WIC, Section 8, Medicaid gets pregnant. Finds out on Medicaid at about 6 weeks along. Why not "completely destroy" the unborn human before it even has a brain rather than stick the taxpayers with a child with stupid people DNA after throwing the one in prison? Makes no sense.
  
  By not aborting you're allowing millions of stupid p00rz to reproduce still. Shame on you. You should take your own advice and just outright advocate for the compulsory "complete destruction of stupid people" while they're still embryos. Get in the Game!
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1582880 wrote:These sentences are contradictory. But let's just go with the the sentiment you expressed in the first one. Stupid p00r on SNAP, WIC, Section 8, Medicaid gets pregnant. Finds out on Medicaid at about 6 weeks along. Why not "completely destroy" the unborn human before it even has a brain rather than stick the taxpayers with a child with stupid people DNA after throwing the one in prison? Makes no sense.
  
  By not aborting you're allowing millions of stupid p00rz to reproduce still. Shame on you. You should take your own advice and just outright advocate for the compulsory "complete destruction of stupid people" while they're still embryos. Get in the Game!

  Because we still need young people to be born to support all the broken vastly underfunded social programs that the stupids have already inflicted on us. By cutting off the supply of young people you are furthering the destruction of the greatest country on Earth. I want the poor stupid people to reproduce, spend the next 10 years in prison and then get a job like the rest of us.
  
  I believe every human, regardless if liberatarian or dumb as fuck deserves the right to reproduce. However, if you CHOOSE to reprouduce without the means to care for the child, we take your child away and send you to prison where you will eat bread and water for the next 10 years. You could feed 1,000 people a year with like $10,000. Water is basically free and bread is like $1 a loaf; much cheaper than McDonald's cheeseburgers, whiskey, and cigarettes.
• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1582890 wrote:Because we still need young people to be born to support all the broken vastly underfunded social programs that the stupids have already inflicted on us. By cutting off the supply of young people you are furthering the destruction of the greatest country on Earth. I want the poor stupid people to reproduce, spend the next 10 years in prison and then get a job like the rest of us.
  
  I believe every human, regardless if liberatarian or dumb as fuck deserves the right to reproduce. However, if you CHOOSE to reprouduce without the means to care for the child, we take your child away and send you to prison where you will eat bread and water for the next 10 years. You could feed 1,000 people a year with like $10,000. Water is basically free and bread is like $1 a loaf; much cheaper than McDonald's cheeseburgers, whiskey, and cigarettes.

  Smart people can have babies. If you don't want to compel teh p00rz from burdening the productive with their spawn you should have just said weren't being serious when you said this:
  

  The only solution to poverty is the complete destruction of stupid people.

  Clearly you want more stupid people being burdens on productive smart people just in a different way. Hope this helps.
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1582893 wrote:Smart people can have babies. If you don't want to compel teh p00rz from burdening the productive with their spawn you should have just said weren't being serious when you said this:
  
  
  
  Clearly you want more stupid people being burdens on productive smart people just in a different way. Hope this helps.

  I'm only interested in solving the problem in the long run. Poor people have poor babies who will remain poor because of their poor stupid parents. The two are related; time to solve the problem.
• gut

  I wonder what would happen if we linked handouts to children's test scores...I bet the detached parents would take much more interest in their kid's schooling if it was factor in how much the eagle shits.
• I Wear Pants

  gut;1582582 wrote:My comments have nothing to do with welfare queens...It's purely about poor personal choices that result in having a child you aren't ready for and/or can't afford.
  
  Now would you care to post statistics with regard to unplanned pregnancies of poor people vs. wealthy people? Many of the advantages you rail about being so unfair are because those parents made smart and responsible life choices.
  
  But your solution is to INCREASE subsidies for poor decisions...despite 30-some years of the "war on poverty" being about as effective as the "war on drugs".

  Can I assume you're in favor of making contraception options as widely available as possible and provide comprehensive sex education? Because those things would be some of the more effective measures we could take against unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.
  
  Except the people that are most bothered by all these poor people having unplanned pregnancies are generally the people who are very much against contraception, sex ed, and abortion.
• sleeper

  

  I Wear Pants;1583193 wrote:Can I assume you're in favor of making contraception options as widely available as possible and provide comprehensive sex education? Because those things would be some of the more effective measures we could take against unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.
  
  Except the people that are most bothered by all these poor people having unplanned pregnancies are generally the people who are very much against contraception, sex ed, and abortion.

  Condoms are free. Go to any planned parenthood and condoms are 100% free. That's not the problem; the problem is stupid people and no amount of birth control is going to fix that.
• I Wear Pants

  sleeper;1583202 wrote:Condoms are free. Go to any planned parenthood and condoms are 100% free. That's not the problem; the problem is stupid people and no amount of birth control is going to fix that.

  I should have also mentioned something about sex ed. Oh wait, I did.
• sleeper

  

  I Wear Pants;1583209 wrote:I should have also mentioned something about sex ed. Oh wait, I did.

  Do you really think people don't understand that putting P in V unprotected can create a child? Come on man. These people know; they just do it anyway.
• sleeper

  

  Hell I have a friend here who's a kindergarten teacher that tells me all the time that KINDERGARTNERS know about sex because that's all their STUPID DEMOCRATIC parents talk about. The reality is stupid poor people know the risks and CHOOSE to take those risks and have someone else pay for it. My solution is the most ethical way to solve the problem.
• gut

  I Wear Pants;1583193 wrote:Can I assume you're in favor of making contraception options as widely available as possible and provide comprehensive sex education? Because those things would be some of the more effective measures we could take against unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.

  Absolutely. But you also have to teach personal responsibility and accountability.
  
  So I would put the fear of god in them that their life is ruined with a kid, and NOBODY is going to take care of them.