Can we just shut the government down already?

• sleeper

  

  LJ;1510679 wrote:My parent's went from $1900 per month to $550 per month total for the same coverage. I welcome the exchange with open arms. There are plenty of parts of Obamacare that no one should have issue with

  LOL, parents. So you're okay with making healthy people pay significantly extra so your baby boomer parents, who've racked up trillions in debt and ruined America's fiscal future, can pay less for their expensive healthcare?
  
  Ay, comrade! : thumbup:
• LJ

  

  WebFire;1510695 wrote:This. Spread the wealth. Who is paying for the cost reduction?

  While I am against this part, the IDEA of the exchange would work without the individual mandate. If you allowed insurance to sell across state lines, that right there increases their pools and drops the cost, without forcing anyone to buy anything.
• gut

  LJ;1510691 wrote:Most DFAS employees work a good 50 hours per week as it is. FYE they are in the 60's typically.

  Welcome to the real world. There are very few jobs that shouldn't be able to completely absorb a few days, even up to a week, of downtime. People do it all the time when they go on vacation for a week, and it's not because other people do their work while they're gone.
  
  To say otherwise is a purely a union/non-exempt mentality. Buckle down for a few weeks and you can catch-up - that's the expectation and how it's done in the private sector.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;1510687 wrote:Except all the other people who are being FORCED to pony up to pay for said reduction.

  
  
  
  I guess you'd rather pay for ER visits and preventable diseases and surgeries.
• sleeper

  

  gut;1510701 wrote:Welcome to the real world. There are very few jobs that shouldn't be able to completely absorb a few days, even up to a week, of downtime. People do it all the time when they go on vacation for a week, and it's not because other people do their work while they're gone.
  
  To say otherwise is a purely a union/non-exempt mentality. Buckle down for a few weeks and you can catch-up - that's the expectation and how it's done in the private sector.

  Bingo.
• QuakerOats

  WebFire;1510695 wrote:This. Spread the wealth. Who is paying for the cost reduction?

  
  
  To each according to his needs, from those according to their means. K Marx
  
  
  
  Who is barack obama?
• LJ

  

  gut;1510701 wrote:Welcome to the real world. There are very few jobs that shouldn't be able to completely absorb a few days, even up to a week, of downtime. People do it all the time when they go on vacation for a week, and it's not because other people do their work while they're gone.
  
  To say otherwise is a purely a union/non-exempt mentality. Buckle down for a few weeks and you can catch-up - that's the expectation and how it's done in the private sector.

  I don't think you are getting the point. It's Fiscal Year End. Those folks are already working 60+ hours per week, and no one is supposed to be allowed to take time off right now.
• sleeper

  

  LJ;1510705 wrote:I don't think you are getting the point. It's Fiscal Year End. Those folks are already working 60+ hours per week, and no one is supposed to be allowed to take time off right now.

  I don't think you're getting the point either. The notion that its more expensive because these people are going to need OT to catch up is false and a joke. Exempt employees don't get OT. Since working with a government client, I can tell you that few if any actually work 60+ hours a week. Most of the time they sit around and expect the consultant/contractor to do all the work.
• BoatShoes

  LJ;1510700 wrote:While I am against this part, the IDEA of the exchange would work without the individual mandate. If you allowed insurance to sell across state lines, that right there increases their pools and drops the cost, without forcing anyone to buy anything.

  This has the same effect of having sales across state lines without regulatory shopping. The tax on individuals who don't have health insurance is one policy tool to encourage participation in the exchanges.
• QuakerOats

  LJ;1510700 wrote:While I am against this part, the IDEA of the exchange would work without the individual mandate. If you allowed insurance to sell across state lines, that right there increases their pools and drops the cost, without forcing anyone to buy anything.

  
  
  
  NON-NEGOTIABLE republican idea.
  
  
  Sincerely,
  
  barack obama
  harry reid
• gut

  LJ;1510705 wrote:I don't think you are getting the point. It's Fiscal Year End. Those folks are already working 60+ hours per week, and no one is supposed to be allowed to take time off right now.

  So were up to 60+ now? Big fucking deal, private sector people often work 80+ at budget time. You'll never convince me govt workers operate at even 80% efficiency of the private sector.
  
  I don't think you get what an absolute joke your whining is to private sector employees.
• WebFire

  I Wear Pants;1510702 wrote:I guess you'd rather pay for ER visits and preventable diseases and surgeries.

  No, I'd rather use MY insurance without the premium going up 50% to pay for others to go to the ER.
• gut

  And LMAO, as if baseline budgeting need be time-consuming. How hard is it to just multiply everything by 1.07? :RpS_w00t:
• LJ

  

  gut;1510711 wrote:So were up to 60+ now? Big fucking deal, private sector people often work 80+ at budget time. You'll never convince me govt workers operate at even 80% efficiency of the private sector.
  
  I don't think you get what an absolute joke your whining is to private sector employees.

  I work in the private sector.....
  
  I'm not "up to" anything now. Anyone with a brain should know that fiscal year end, or FYE, is you know, right now for the .gov
• I Wear Pants

  WebFire;1510712 wrote:No, I'd rather use MY insurance without the premium going up 50% to pay for others to go to the ER.

  
  
  
  Your taxes pay for ER visits and what are preventable diseases and surgeries when people don't have insurance.
• LJ

  

  gut;1510711 wrote:So were up to 60+ now? Big fucking deal, private sector people often work 80+ at budget time. You'll never convince me govt workers operate at even 80% efficiency of the private sector.
  
  I don't think you get what an absolute joke your whining is to private sector employees.

  So wait, if they often work 80, and I say that the gov workers typically work 60, but they are gonna have to make up time by working OT to meet the deadlines, they are just lazy, when they are going to be working as many hours as the private sector?
  
  WUT????
• O-Trap

  

  QuakerOats;1510693 wrote:Or, maybe work a little harder for a few days to catch up .............. novel concept.

  If this is an option, absolutely.
  
  In some cases, it is not, but in some, it may be.
• gut

  LJ;1510720 wrote:So wait, if they often work 80, and I say that the gov workers typically work 60, but they are gonna have to make up time by working OT to meet the deadlines, they are just lazy, when they are going to be working as many hours as the private sector?

  Yeah, at budget time we work until it gets done, and we don't get OT. And I'd be willing to bet money we are far more sophisticated and efficient than the gubmit.
  
  And part of the workload is driven by a budget window that might only be a few weeks. Somehow I suspect the gov is a bit longer. And baseline budgeting would make it infinitely easier.
• QuakerOats

  http://freebeacon.com/woodward-if-shutdown-or-debt-ceiling-causes-economic-crisis-its-on-the-presidents-head/
• O-Trap

  

  LJ;1510680 wrote:It's gonna cost a shit ton in OT because everyone I know who works for the .gov is still gonna have the same deadlines when they get back to work.

  What of the option of salaried positions going forward, and ones without OT pay?
  
  In my adult professional life, I don't think I've ever seen OT in any salary job.
• WebFire

  I Wear Pants;1510717 wrote:Your taxes pay for ER visits and what are preventable diseases and surgeries when people don't have insurance.

  So now that we have Obamacare, everyone will have insurance and my taxes will go down. Suweet!
  
  :thumbdown:
• sportchampps

  BTW my brother works for DFAS and usually works either 40-44 hours per week and at most 48 when they require Saturdays. He has been there 22 years and never been over 50 hours like you suggest is the norm.
• I Wear Pants

  No your taxes probably won't go down. But less will get put on the credit card.
• LJ

  

  sportchampps;1510773 wrote:BTW my brother works for DFAS and usually works either 40-44 hours per week and at most 48 when they require Saturdays. He has been there 22 years and never been over 50 hours like you suggest is the norm.

  Depends on the division. Some are capped at 45 like ap and ar. Others like maint. and reporting etc are there almost every day ffrom sept 25 till about Oct 15. I worked there for about a year and still have good friends in all the above mentioned divisions
• LJ

  

  O-Trap;1510745 wrote:What of the option of salaried positions going forward, and ones without OT pay?
  
  In my adult professional life, I don't think I've ever seen OT in any salary job.

  I would agree that should be done, but it won't and can't happen at this moment on this CR. Some places make you take comp time till you get to 5-10 hours as it is.