Can we just shut the government down already?

• majorspark

  

  Glory Days;1510366 wrote:I read an article a few days ago that it is possible there wont be back pay like the last shutdown.
  
  I'll be going to work tomorrow for free. What really sucks is for the people who are on vacation and cant come back to work. Word is they wont get a paid for that day.

  Its possible but unlikely. You will be paid and so will those that earned it by accumulating vacation time. Its time earned prior to any shutdown. Don't fall prey to the scare tactics.
• IggyPride00

  

  The Panda Cam has been turned off at the DC zoo.
  
  The Shutdown is here.
• Glory Days

  

  majorspark;1510372 wrote:Its possible but unlikely. You will be paid and so will those that earned it by accumulating vacation time. Its time earned prior to any shutdown. Don't fall prey to the scare tactics.

  I just checked my emails from the higher ups, only non excepted employees may not get back paid. but even as excepted employees, we changed our pay status starting tomorrow to furlough even though we have to work. People on vacation were to be notified they will be furloughed if they dont return to duy and they wont be paid for that time off.
• O-Trap

  

  IggyPride00;1510376 wrote:The Panda Cam has been turned off at the DC zoo.
  
  The Shutdown is here.

  lol'd
• IggyPride00

  

  Glory Days;1510378 wrote:I just checked my emails from the higher ups, only non excepted employees may not get back paid. but even as excepted employees, we changed our pay status starting tomorrow to furlough even though we have to work. People on vacation were to be notified they will be furloughed if they dont return to duy and they wont be paid for that time off.

  Fox news just reported that since the last shutdown they have changed "essential/non-essential" personnel to "excepted/non-excepted" because people's feelings were hurt during the 95/96 shutdown that some were classified as non-essential.
• O-Trap

  

  It's after midnight. Are the roads still out there? I'm afraid to look. Someone hold me, please.
• I Wear Pants

  At the end of the day Congress passed Obamacare, the president signed it, the Supreme Court upheld it, Obama campaigned on it a second time and was reelected. The will of the people was not ignored and it's unreasonable that legislation is trying to be tacked onto a budget measure. GOP is trying to shoot themselves in the head. They will be blamed (rightfully so) for the shutdown. I'd be fine with it if it only damaged them and not the country as a whole.
  
  If the Republicans aim is to save money, shutting down the govt. is the opposite of that. The last shut down cost taxpayers $1.5 billion.
• Glory Days

  

  IggyPride00;1510381 wrote:Fox news just reported that since the last shutdown they have changed "essential/non-essential" personnel to "excepted/non-excepted" because people's feelings were hurt during the 95/96 shutdown that some were classified as non-essential.

  doesn't surprise me.
• believer

  

  I Wear Pants;1510384 wrote:....and it's unreasonable that legislation is trying to be tacked onto a budget measure.

  You serious? The Dems practically invented this political tactic and made an art form out of it.
  
  So when the inept milquetoast Repubs try it, the lefties cry foul.
  
  And spare me the "will of the people" crap.
• queencitybuckeye

  It seems to me that there's a pretty big difference between making sure the minority's voice is heard when arguing a piece of legislation, and attempting to hold current business hostage by trying to roll back laws already passed. This isn't legislating, it's campaigning, and it's shameful. The argument "he did it first" was something we taught our child at an early age was not a valid excuse, I'm not sure why we're willing to accept it here.
• Belly35

  

  Glory Days;1510360 wrote:just hope you don't need to buy any more guns, in case background checks are stopped due to the shut down.

  .45 3000 round
  .380 1000 round
  9mm 2000 rounds
  
  I maybe buying a AR15 and 16 Gauge w/ ammo (1000 rounds each) from a private individual who needs the money...
  
  I'm good...... thanks
• like_that

  

  Well this is just fantastic. How long do you all think this lasts?
• fish82

  

  I Wear Pants;1510384 wrote:At the end of the day Congress passed Obamacare, the president signed it, the Supreme Court upheld it, Obama campaigned on it a second time and was reelected. The will of the people was not ignored and it's unreasonable that legislation is trying to be tacked onto a budget measure.

  That's kinda how Harry got it passed in the first place. Reconciliation?
• BGFalcons82

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1510271 wrote:Honestly, what is the final goal?
  Tell me. Defund the healthcare law? Then what?
  
  And, if there is the shutdown, then what?
  You do know it costs more and will increase spending right?
  This is really stupid. It accomplishes nothing.

  As inept and corrupt as each and every Republican is, they can actually read. They read polls. They read how their switchboards are overwhelmingly opposing ObamaKare. They read balance sheets of money flowing into their re-election offices. They read that the American people are 55 to 60% against the "Affordable" Care Act. They read that this is where they need to be right now. The blameless and perfect Democrats read that the media will save them and blame the evil scum TEA Party and conservatives for closing down the government.
  
  What is the final goal?:
  How about FINALLY sticking up for a smaller government?
  How about FINALLY doing SOMETHING about it.
  How about FINALLY getting people to focus on a $17,000,000,000,000 elephant about to squash us into the abyss?
• like_that

  

  I Wear Pants;1510384 wrote:At the end of the day Congress passed Obamacare, the president signed it, the Supreme Court upheld it, Obama campaigned on it a second time and was reelected. The will of the people was not ignored and it's unreasonable that legislation is trying to be tacked onto a budget measure. GOP is trying to shoot themselves in the head. They will be blamed (rightfully so) for the shutdown. I'd be fine with it if it only damaged them and not the country as a whole.
  
  If the Republicans aim is to save money, shutting down the govt. is the opposite of that. The last shut down cost taxpayers $1.5 billion.

  
  HUH? I am pretty sure the majority of the people were opposed to obamacare.... The will of the people was exactly ignored.
• I Wear Pants

  believer;1510393 wrote:You serious? The Dems practically invented this political tactic and made an art form out of it.
  
  So when the inept milquetoast Repubs try it, the lefties cry foul.
  
  And spare me the "will of the people" crap.

  Um, it was shitty when Dems did it.
  
  Edit: Also reps for milquetoast, love that word.
• SportsAndLady

  

  like_that;1510454 wrote:HUH? I am pretty sure the majority of the people were opposed to obamacare.... The will of the people was exactly ignored.

  I was thinking the same thing. When was this overwhelming support? Did I fall asleep for 5 years?
• Devils Advocate

  

  10 hours after the the Obamalipse started.
  
  I am surprised that we all are still breathing.
• I Wear Pants

  SportsAndLady;1510460 wrote:I was thinking the same thing. When was this overwhelming support? Did I fall asleep for 5 years?

  Obama built his first and second campaigns around his healthcare reform. He got re-elected.
• BoatShoes

  majorspark;1510321 wrote:Leverage.

  How are they gaining any leverage?
  
  Two things happen. They eventually cave on a clean CR and the talk radio crowd is uprorious and seeks to primary republicans complicit in the cave or the shut down lingers on indefinitely and Republicans are blamed for being obstinate over obamacare which begins benefitting people who don't get employer coverage with gubmint cheese today.
  
  Only hope is for success against guys like Joe Manchin and Mark Begich being on the record in the Senate but those efforts aren't going to successfully defeat the narrative that they just wanted to vote on a clean CR IMHO.
  
  The average joe sees that Obama won the last election and the House Republicans ringing their hands over Obamacare is sour grapes at this point...even if that average joe doesn't like Obamacare.
• BoatShoes

  I Wear Pants;1510470 wrote:Obama built his first and second campaigns around his healthcare reform. He got re-elected.

  Even if you accept that most Americans preferred Obama but didn't like obamacare or whatever...average folks who aren't card carrying Republicans look at this like they're a bunch of sore losers IMHO.
  
  Nevermind the fact that the demagoguery over Obummercare is being put to the test starting today....
• BoatShoes

  
• WebFire

  Belly35;1510404 wrote:.45 3000 round
  .380 1000 round
  9mm 2000 rounds
  
  I maybe buying a AR15 and 16 Gauge w/ ammo (1000 rounds each) from a private individual who needs the money...
  
  I'm good...... thanks

  If you were actually in a scenario where you had to use it to defend yourself and property, that wouldn't last long at all.
• like_that

  

  I Wear Pants;1510470 wrote:Obama built his first and second campaigns around his healthcare reform. He got re-elected.

  LOL if you think that's what got him elected and re elected.
• queencitybuckeye

  BoatShoes;1510472 wrote:Even if you accept that most Americans preferred Obama but didn't like obamacare or whatever...average folks who aren't card carrying Republicans look at this like they're a bunch of sore losers IMHO.
  
  Nevermind the fact that the demagoguery over Obummercare is being put to the test starting today....

  The reality is that the Republicans aren't afraid of Obamacare being a disaster, they're afraid of it not being a disaster.