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Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

  • Spock
    sleeper;1831257 wrote:What is the Republican plan to replace it?

    That's the comical part.
    Don't act like the pubs don't have a plan. THey have had a plan sitting in the senate for years and your boy Harry Reid never brought it up.
  • sleeper
    Spock;1831270 wrote:Don't act like the pubs don't have a plan. THey have had a plan sitting in the senate for years and your boy Harry Reid never brought it up.
    Okay so what is it? Any link?

    If you remove ACA, you better pass a plan to replace it. I'd love to see the Republican solution.
  • fish82
    sleeper;1831257 wrote:What is the Republican plan to replace it?

    That's the comical part.
    Not that they're obligated to do so, but there isn't anything stopping them from dusting off any of their 4 plans from 2009 that weren't even allowed into committee.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1831271 wrote:Okay so what is it? Any link?

    If you remove ACA, you better pass a plan to replace it. I'd love to see the Republican solution.
    It's been out there and publicized for a while now.
  • Con_Alma
    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-Snapshot.pdf

    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-PolicyPaper.pdf

    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-FactSheet.pdf

    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-BytheNumbers.pdf

    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-HealthCare-FAQ.pdf

    ...since I know it will spur love in you based on your statement above.
  • Spock
    Spock;1830354 wrote:This whole Russian hacking thing is ridiculous. Lets lay out a few points that seem to be ignored:

    1. Russia was likely snooping around in the interwebs watching us. (Lets not act like this is a one way street. We are hacking them daily)
    2. Russia didn't hack into our government servers. they likely found their way in through Clintons server. (a little tidbit that everyone seems to of forgotten.)
    3. If Russia was hacking and the US knew about this.......why wasn't it exposed during the election? Why after?
    4. Not one drop of evidence has come up to actually prove this happened. Don't care if Lindsey Graham and McCain come on TV and say it did. Just comes off as sour grapes.

    Here is what is not being reported: Russia was delivered the info about the emails somehow. Or at least they were told where to look (Clinton Server). THey likely leaked the emails through Wikileaks. Either way, all Russia did was expose the democrats and their backstabbing of Bernie and exposed CLintons corruption. Lets not act like they hacked into our government and stole the plans to the Death Star.
    Everyday, this post gets truer and truer
  • sleeper
    That's a lot of great marketing material. No plan, just "We need to lower costs and also need to get rid of Obamacare while keeping some of Obamacare".

    Joke.
  • Spock
    sleeper;1831285 wrote:That's a lot of great marketing material. No plan, just "We need to lower costs and also need to get rid of Obamacare while keeping some of Obamacare".

    Joke.
    We have to pass it to see what is in it.
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1831285 wrote:That's a lot of great marketing material. No plan, just "We need to lower costs and also need to get rid of Obamacare while keeping some of Obamacare".

    Joke.

    How do you know it's a joke? It's in committee.

    Are you aware of what it entails????
  • gut
    Con_Alma;1831275 wrote: ...since I know it will spur love in you based on your statement above.
    Obamacare is kind of similar to the $800B stimulus....the latter cost like $270k per job saved/created. The former cost like $100k per uninsured provided for. In both cases, just phenomenal economics....if you're a socialist.
  • jmog
    sleeper;1831285 wrote:That's a lot of great marketing material. No plan, just "We need to lower costs and also need to get rid of Obamacare while keeping some of Obamacare".

    Joke.
    It's not just marketing material when it was in committee and got shut down but the other side.
  • QuakerOats
    sleeper;1831271 wrote:Okay so what is it? Any link?

    If you remove ACA, you better pass a plan to replace it. I'd love to see the Republican solution.
    I have posted the link previously.
  • Spock
    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


    I just read the whole "intelligence" report about Russia. UNreal how our media just takes this shit and runs with it. This document literally has zero relative or concrete evidence in it. But that isnt stopping CNN, CBS, ABC and all the others from making it sound like its the gospel on the issue.

    It literally reads like Clinton and Obama wrote it themselves.
  • like_that
    Spock;1831880 wrote:https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf


    I just read the whole "intelligence" report about Russia. UNreal how our media just takes this shit and runs with it. This document literally has zero relative or concrete evidence in it. But that isnt stopping CNN, CBS, ABC and all the others from making it sound like its the gospel on the issue.

    It literally reads like Clinton and Obama wrote it themselves.
    How we know you are lying.
  • gut
    Spock;1831880 wrote:This document literally has zero relative or concrete evidence in it.
    They aren't going to satisfy you with details because they don't want to give away their methods. That multiple agencies are all saying pretty much the same thing with high degrees of certainties says pretty much all I need to know.

    I never thought the Wikileaks did much - Hillary was done in by Benghazi and her email, among other things. Nothing very damaging came out of this supposed Russian hacking. The DNC thing with Bernie, maybe, but it's hard to picture that making many people decide to stay home or not vote for Hillary.
  • Spock
    gut;1831890 wrote:They aren't going to satisfy you with details because they don't want to give away their methods. That multiple agencies are all saying pretty much the same thing with high degrees of certainties says pretty much all I need to know.

    I never thought the Wikileaks did much - Hillary was done in by Benghazi and her email, among other things. Nothing very damaging came out of this supposed Russian hacking. The DNC thing with Bernie, maybe, but it's hard to picture that making many people decide to stay home or not vote for Hillary.



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  • sleeper
    jmog;1831322 wrote:It's not just marketing material when it was in committee and got shut down but the other side.
    Right so tell me how this is any different than what we currently have?

    It removes the mandate but forgets if there is no penalty for having insurance than people won't have insurance until they get hurt. System failure alert.

    Incredible how Obamacare was actually Romneycare until Obama proposed it. The partisanship is deep.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1831290 wrote:How do you know it's a joke? It's in committee.

    Are you aware of what it entails????
    The plan is largely going to be Obamacare but have stuff in it like "Women shouldn't be allowed to have abortions" or whatever third world women's rights issues need to return to the US.

    Such progress!
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1831941 wrote:The plan is largely going to be Obamacare but have stuff in it like "Women shouldn't be allowed to have abortions" or whatever third world women's rights issues need to return to the US.

    Such progress!
    That didn't answer my question but I appreciate you offering your comments.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1831944 wrote:That didn't answer my question but I appreciate you offering your comments.
    It's in committee, we don't know what's in it but it's better than Obamacare because it's written by Republicans.

    Tell me more.
  • Con_Alma
    What would you like me to tell you?

    You asked what the plan was to replace Obamacare. I told you it hadn't gotten through committee. You called it a joke. I asked how you knew it was a joke. You haven't answered.
    I don't know what else you're expecting to be told.

    I have another question. What makes you think it's better than Obamacare because it's written by Republicans?
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1831950 wrote:What would you like me to tell you?

    You asked what the plan was to replace Obamacare. I told you it hadn't gotten through committee. You called it a joke. I asked how you knew it was a joke. You haven't answered.
    I don't know what else you're expecting to be told.

    I have another question. What makes you think it's better than Obamacare because it's written by Republicans?
    It's a joke because I asked for details and you gave me a bunch of marketing material about how it lowers costs and provides better care; not an actual plan or any details that have been released.

    That's why its a joke.
  • Con_Alma
    ???

    You didn't ask me for details.

    You posted the following...
    sleeper;1831271 wrote:Okay so what is it? Any link?

    If you remove ACA, you better pass a plan to replace it. I'd love to see the Republican solution.
    I simply directed you to the fact that a plan exists.

    How do you know it's a joke if you don't know the details?
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1831956 wrote:???

    You didn't ask me for details.

    You posted the following...



    I simply directed you to the fact that a plan exists.

    How do you know it's a joke if you don't know the details?
    How do you know it's better than Obamacare?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1831964 wrote:How do you know it's better than Obamacare?
    ???

    I don't nor have I ever stated it was.

    You, however, have called it a joke. It may very well be. I simply asked how you know that when it hasn't been released from committee yet.