Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

• QuakerOats

  Debt Up $70,612.91 Per Household Under Obama...
  
  he should be jailed for treason.
  
  
  I'm not paying it!
  
  
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1778272 wrote:Debt Up $70,612.91 Per Household Under Obama...
  
  he should be jailed for treason.
  
  
  I'm not paying it!
  
  

  According to your logic, every president in my lifetime (since 1970) should be jailed.
• QuakerOats

  I think logic would say that the guy who racked up as much debt in 8 years as did all his predecessors cumulatively over the prior 240 year history of the nation should be the guy charged.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  Do a little research away from your politicized sources and you will see the fallacy in what you say. You are very predicable in repeating the talking points of your right wing talkers. I don't recall your concern about the debt until guys lie Glenn Beck started talking about it. By the way, did he become an expert on economic matters at Disc Jockey Morning Drive Training School?
  
  Were I you, I'd worry more about the two nut jobs running away with the Republican race.
• superman

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1778346 wrote:Do a little research away from your politicized sources and you will see the fallacy in what you say. You are very predicable in repeating the talking points of your right wing talkers. I don't recall your concern about the debt until guys lie Glenn Beck started talking about it. By the way, did he become an expert on economic matters at Disc Jockey Morning Drive Training School?
  
  Were I you, I'd worry more about the two nut jobs running away with the Republican race.

  So, are you saying that you have stats and facts to dispute his point?
• HitsRus

  

  As bad as the " two nut jobs running away with the Republican race", might be.... So many would vote for them over a continuation of the current administration's policies ...or worse, the socialist that would raise everyone's taxes by at least 33%.
• gut

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1778346 wrote:You are very predicable in repeating the talking points of your right wing talkers. I don't recall your concern about the debt until guys lie Glenn Beck started talking about it.

  Didn't Obama himself, back in 2008 before doubling the national debt, call $10T in debt "criminal" or something like that?
• superman

  gut;1778391 wrote:Didn't Obama himself, back in 2008 before doubling the national debt, call $10T in debt "criminal" or something like that?

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  He said that raising it is unpatriotic and irresponsible. He also must be the politicized sources that Boogie was talking about because he states that every president before Bush ran up 5 trillion in debt and Bush ran up 4 trillion by himself. A little simple math shows that QO was right with he said about Obama and debt.
• QuakerOats

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1778346 wrote:Do a little research away from your politicized sources and you will see the fallacy in what you say. You are very predicable in repeating the talking points of your right wing talkers. I don't recall your concern about the debt until guys lie Glenn Beck started talking about it. By the way, did he become an expert on economic matters at Disc Jockey Morning Drive Training School?
  
  Were I you, I'd worry more about the two nut jobs running away with the Republican race.

  
  I am a financial professional. I have been talking about the debt and deficits for decades. I don't listen to Glenn Beck, you must apparently. I live in reality; I see firsthand how businesses are struggling as marxist policies are heaped upon a capitalist economy, and I see the devastation in employment, falling real wages, and general malaise that is driving us down. And now you can add $70,000 in additional household debt in just 8 years which is another crushing blow to real life Americans. And yes, it is criminal; it is theft of the highest order and will forever damage what is left of the middle class. All this from a radical community activist who said he was on the side of Main St., not Wall St. Well guess what; the exact opposite has occurred, just like it always does with liberalism.
  
  
  OWN IT.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1778442 wrote:I am a financial professional. I have been talking about the debt and deficits for decades. I don't listen to Glenn Beck, you must apparently. I live in reality; I see firsthand how businesses are struggling as marxist policies are heaped upon a capitalist economy, and I see the devastation in employment, falling real wages, and general malaise that is driving us down. And now you can add $70,000 in additional household debt in just 8 years which is another crushing blow to real life Americans. And yes, it is criminal; it is theft of the highest order and will forever damage what is left of the middle class. All this from a radical community activist who said he was on the side of Main St., not Wall St. Well guess what; the exact opposite has occurred, just like it always does with liberalism.
  
  
  OWN IT.

  I own it, as you say. And I was teasing you about Glen Beck - although I suspect you listen to like minded guys. I think Obama's presidency has been a success. He helped guide us through the worst recssion in my lifetime; he made a great first step in addressing the medical insurance racket in this country; he took us out of the worst foreign policy / war debacle in decades (Iraq);etc. I know he's not been perfect, but I'll take him. Our debt as a percentage of GDP is acceptable.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  And by the way Quaker, I enjoy having you on this site. Spirited debate is what makes this country great and I respect your right to hold your views.
• QuakerOats

  Back at ya !
• wkfan

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1778463 wrote:I think Obama's presidency has been a success. He helped guide us through the worst recssion in my lifetime;

  Are you saying that you were not alive during the Carter administration?
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Quick question QO, assuming you point is correct, if the new President, be it Trump or Cruz is unable to lower the debt, cause you know Congress, will they suffer the same wrath?
• QuakerOats

  They might, although I think they will make a sincere effort to bring spending under control, as well as eliminate obama's anti-growth policies and initiate pro-growth policies that will get the economy moving again thereby providing additional revenues that narrow the gap from that side, along with the reductions on the spending side. If repubs control Congress and the WH, there is not a reason on Earth why they should not be able to achieve this ..............anyone in my profession who had the authority/where-with-all could get this situation under control in less than 6 months, and create a pathway to lasting balanced budgets.
• sleeper

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1778574 wrote:Quick question QO, assuming you point is correct, if the new President, be it Trump or Cruz is unable to lower the debt, cause you know Congress, will they suffer the same wrath?

  I know QO answered, but I will say that no matter who is elected POTUS, I don't see any substantial reduction in deficits.
  
  Republicans are just as scared as Democrats to cut spending.
• jmog

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1778463 wrote:I own it, as you say. And I was teasing you about Glen Beck - although I suspect you listen to like minded guys. I think Obama's presidency has been a success. He helped guide us through the worst recssion in my lifetime; he made a great first step in addressing the medical insurance racket in this country; he took us out of the worst foreign policy / war debacle in decades (Iraq);etc. I know he's not been perfect, but I'll take him. Our debt as a percentage of GDP is acceptable.

  Let's take a look at your "successes" you listed.
  
  1. Most economists have shown that when bouncing back from a recession we would typically grow at a much faster rate than we currently are. One could say that the current policies have stifled this growth. We are currently not growing at all. So, we are believed to be heading into another recession. Not exactly stellar navigation of the economy.
  2. The first step in addressing the medical insurance racket has caused more problems than existed before (yes, opinion) and the costs have kept rising at similar rates (the promise of a savings was WAY off) and it is heading us to a single payer which in most countries has extremely lowered the quality of care.
  3. He took us out of Iraq, you are correct. However, the quick vacuum left there created ISIS...not exactly the best removal. I wanted us to never go into Iraq either, but once in there the biggest mistake possible would be to just quickly pull out. The vacuum most definitely created the debacle that is ISIS/Syria/Iraq now.
  
  
  So, how are his policies really working for us now?
• jmog

  sleeper;1778616 wrote:I know QO answered, but I will say that no matter who is elected POTUS, I don't see any substantial reduction in deficits.
  
  Republicans are just as scared as Democrats to cut spending.

  I don't disagree with this at all. Most Rs just spend in different arenas than the Ds.
• QuakerOats

  jmog;1778717 wrote:Let's take a look at your "successes" you listed.
  
  1. Most economists have shown that when bouncing back from a recession we would typically grow at a much faster rate than we currently are. One could say that the current policies have stifled this growth. We are currently not growing at all. So, we are believed to be heading into another recession. Not exactly stellar navigation of the economy.
  2. The first step in addressing the medical insurance racket has caused more problems than existed before (yes, opinion) and the costs have kept rising at similar rates (the promise of a savings was WAY off) and it is heading us to a single payer which in most countries has extremely lowered the quality of care.
  3. He took us out of Iraq, you are correct. However, the quick vacuum left there created ISIS...not exactly the best removal. I wanted us to never go into Iraq either, but once in there the biggest mistake possible would be to just quickly pull out. The vacuum most definitely created the debacle that is ISIS/Syria/Iraq now.
  
  
  So, how are his policies really working for us now?

  
  
  Bingo
  Bingo
  Bingo
• gut

  jmog;1778717 wrote: So, how are his policies really working for us now?

  If you thought Obama was bad as POTUS, wait until you see him no longer concerned with elections or optics.
  
  Given money, power and visibility by the liberal cronies that propped-up the Clintons with wealth....community organizer's wet-dream
• jmog

  gut;1778746 wrote:If you thought Obama was bad as POTUS, wait until you see him no longer concerned with elections or optics.
  
  Given money, power and visibility by the liberal cronies that propped-up the Clintons with wealth....community organizer's wet-dream

  Throw in the recent talk about Hillary appointing him to the SCOTUS...
• Con_Alma

  jmog;1778778 wrote:Throw in the recent talk about Hillary appointing him to the SCOTUS...

  No chance he would be confirmed.
• gut

  Con_Alma;1778779 wrote:No chance he would be confirmed.

  that is unless Dems win back the House and Senate, and then change filibuster rules
  
  but Obama doesn't want to work for a living, which he'd have to do as SCOTUS. Nope, he wants to cash checks, go on talkshows and mug for the cameras
• Spock

  

  Obama is going to the UN.
• wkfan

  gut;1778785 wrote:that is unless Dems win back the House and Senate, and then change filibuster rules
  
  but Obama doesn't want to work for a living, which he'd have to do as SCOTUS. Nope, he wants to cash checks, go on talkshows and mug for the cameras

  don't forget play golf in Hawaii...on our nickel