Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

• superman

  Commander of Awesome;1763855 wrote:Ah I see. Well, the Syrian refugees are the people who are MOST oppressed by ISIS and other extremists. Hence while they're continuing with the plan. We can't make simplistic (often based on sweeping generalizations) conclusions that are reactionary and impulsive.

  I could see this if i trusted the government's vetting process. However, I don't.
• sleeper

  

  Commander of Awesome;1763855 wrote:Ah I see. Well, the Syrian refugees are the people who are MOST oppressed by ISIS and other extremists. Hence while they're continuing with the plan. We can't make simplistic (often based on sweeping generalizations) conclusions that are reactionary and impulsive.

  And Obama is right on this. We should be more vigilant on screening the refugees but to disallow the people who are being oppressed by the very people we are fighting against would be stupid.
• like_that

  

  And I disagree. As stated above, I have no idea how anyone can trust the government's vetting process. Way too many examples of how inept the government is. Hell, we can't even keep out criminals from Mexico from coming in, yet we somehow expect government officials to vet out disguised refugees in a group of 10,000 people? Also, it already has been confirmed that a couple of the terrorists in France came in disguised as refugees. Do we need this shit to happen again, and even worse in our own country to learn our lesson?
  
  Sorry if this is insensitive, but I am 100% behind keeping them out, and I am glad some states are already refusing entry. Now is not the time to worry about political correctness, especially when ISIS just threatened that the US is next.
• Sage

  

  lot of bad takes here i see
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1763908 wrote:And I disagree. As stated above, I have no idea how anyone can trust the government's vetting process. Way too many examples of how inept the government is. Hell, we can't even keep out criminals from Mexico from coming in, yet we somehow expect government officials to vet out disguised refugees in a group of 10,000 people? Also, it already has been confirmed that a couple of the terrorists in France came in disguised as refugees. Do we need this shit to happen again, and even worse in our own country to learn our lesson?
  
  Sorry if this is insensitive, but I am 100% behind keeping them out, and I am glad some states are already refusing entry. Now is not the time to worry about political correctness, especially when ISIS just threatened that the US is next.

  Not sure how accruate this is, but sounds like Kaisch and others are just doing lip service on that. I've been seeing this posted several times on twitter:
  
  "refugees don't apply to live in MI, or AL, or OK. they apply for sanctuary in American. Once here, states can't arrest/keep those people out."
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1763932 wrote:Not sure how accruate this is, but sounds like Kaisch and others are just doing lip service on that. I've been seeing this posted several times on twitter:
  
  "refugees don't apply to live in MI, or AL, or OK. they apply for sanctuary in American. Once here, states can't arrest/keep those people out."

  Didn't really look into the legality at it. Wouldn't surprise me that wherever you got that quote is true. I am still not even 100% sure what the exact plan is to do with 10k refugees other than they will have a "vetting" process. Does anybody truly know?
  
  Regardless, I am sticking with my stance that they shouldn't be allowed in the country. I hope I am very wrong about this being a threat, but I just have a bad feeling about it.
• FatHobbit

  

  I have relatives in Germany who live in a small town and they are pissed about how the refugees are being handled. (Even before the tragedy in Paris) There were approximately 100 students in their high school. They brought in 300 new refugee students. They don't have enough classroom space for them and they don't speak German. It's a big mess.
• Spock

  

  Obama is out of bounds with his rhetoric. Its dangerous to what he is saying about fighting ISIS. He basically is telling the world that he isnt concerned with fighting ISIS. ISIS is going to ramp it up cause we arent doing anything
• like_that

  

  BTW, nearly 50k homeless american vets, and we are worried about refugees.
• majorspark

  

  Commander of Awesome;1763932 wrote:Not sure how accruate this is, but sounds like Kaisch and others are just doing lip service on that. I've been seeing this posted several times on twitter:
  
  "refugees don't apply to live in MI, or AL, or OK. they apply for sanctuary in American. Once here, states can't arrest/keep those people out."

  This is 100% correct. The legal status of those entering the county is a federal issue. Under article 1 section 8 clause 4 the rules are to be set by congress. The president executes them. However this has't stopped local governments from giving federal law the finger and setting up sanctuary cities for those in country in violation of federal law.
• sleeper

  

  Spock;1763962 wrote:Obama is out of bounds with his rhetoric. Its dangerous to what he is saying about fighting ISIS. He basically is telling the world that he isnt concerned with fighting ISIS. ISIS is going to ramp it up cause we arent doing anything

  You realize we've been bombing ISIS for almost 3 months now right?
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1763963 wrote:BTW, nearly 50k homeless american vets, and we are worried about refugees.

  
  Most of those vets are white. I don't think we need to be helping privileged people.
• QuakerOats

  Terrorists have taken full advantage of moving with the refugees into European countries, same will happen here.
  
  obama is furthering the chaos.
  
  We have elected the enemy.
• friendfromlowry

  QuakerOats;1764075 wrote:Terrorists have taken full advantage of moving with the refugees into European countries, same will happen here.
  
  obama is furthering the chaos.
  
  We have elected the enemy.

  If the European countries are doing what Obama wants to do, and he's the enemy, then Europe is the enemy, too, right?
• Spock

  

  sleeper;1763981 wrote:You realize we've been bombing ISIS for almost 3 months now right?

  we arent doing shit. His rhetoric is out of bounds and empowering their cause by displaying weakness
• Automatik

  

  sleeper;1763981 wrote:You realize we've been bombing ISIS for almost 3 months now right?

  Longer than that. We got involved in 2014, but of course the FB experts prefer to spout nonsense rather than educate themselves on the topic.
• sleeper

  

  Spock;1764376 wrote:we arent doing shit. His rhetoric is out of bounds and empowering their cause by displaying weakness

  What more would you like him to do? Boots on the ground is expensive and costly and we've seen how well that strategy worked in Iraq and Afghanistan.
• HitsRus

  

  friendfromlowry;1764236 wrote:If the European countries are doing what Obama wants to do, and he's the enemy, then Europe is the enemy, too, right?

  you do realize that several European countries, including France have closed their borders?
• BRF

  

  Nice to see a thread thriving for over 3 years now.
  
  Peace.
• Automatik

  

  HitsRus;1764390 wrote:you do realize that several European countries, including France have closed their borders?

  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/15/what-did-it-really-mean-when-france-closed-its-borders/
• HitsRus

  

  sleeper;1764387 wrote:What more would you like him to do? Boots on the ground is expensive and costly and we've seen how well that strategy worked in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  Afghanistan is a shithole, and it is about as good as can be with a residual American force deployed there....a force that BHO wants to draw down more against the advice of his commanders.
  
  
  Iraq was a stable country right up until the time we withdrew our troops, again, against the advice of the commanders.
  
  Geopolitics is a lot easier to understand when you accept that it is about power, and at least a credible threat and a credible determination to use it.
• HitsRus

  

  to automatik....yeah, as much as they could.
• Spock

  

  sleeper;1764387 wrote:What more would you like him to do? Boots on the ground is expensive and costly and we've seen how well that strategy worked in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  be a leader and get the other 27 countries in the UN and half the middle east to put their boots on the ground and support them with air support. HE ISNT A LEADER
• Automatik

  

  Spock;1764424 wrote:be a leader and get the other 27 countries in the UN and half the middle east to put their boots on the ground and support them with air support. HE ISNT A LEADER

  What president in this new crop do you think will fulfill these goals?
• friendfromlowry

  HitsRus;1764390 wrote:you do realize that several European countries, including France have closed their borders?

  Yes, I do.