Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

• majorspark

  

  BoatShoes;1754340 wrote:The Russian Bear is desperate seeing that Uncle Sam now has begun relations with both a moderating Iran and Saudi Arabia which is crushing Russia's economy at the behest of the U.S.

  Yeah Uncle Obama has the wool pulled over everyone's eyes. Russian and Iranian troops are going to die mopping up ISIS on the ground all while the Russian economy goes to shit. What a masterful plan.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1754343 wrote: God forbid somebody has the liberty to kick back after work with a toke rather than a 24 pack of Busch Light.

  It is the proven gateway drug leading to meth, crack, and heroin, which is now riddling nearly every town in Ohio with unprecedented crime, welfare, slums, and fear.
  
  But keep smokin' it up ...............makes all the problems go away.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1754331 wrote:The Chinese just announced that they are adopting cap and trade nationwide and will let the marketplace cut its emissions - a great idea American Conservatives once believed in until they were stricken with ObamaRage. India already has pilot programs in a few of its states and will likely follow China's lead. These countries are on the front lines of Climate Change (i.e. the Maldives ceasing to exist) and are leading the charge.

  
  These countries can't even take care of their disastrous pollution; now they are taking the lead on climate change.
  
  
  You just can't make this stuff up.
• Wolves of Babylon

  QuakerOats;1754349 wrote:It is the proven gateway drug leading to meth, crack, and heroin, which is now riddling nearly every town in Ohio with unprecedented crime, welfare, slums, and fear.
  
  But keep smokin' it up ...............makes all the problems go away.

  Alcohol and nicotine also can lead to use of harder drugs. Most people never try other drugs and your social/economic environment play a big role.
  
  http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug
  
  I have maybe tried marijuana 5 times my whole life but as a true believer in liberty and common sense believe it should be legal.
  
  
  
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• Heretic

  

  QuakerOats;1754349 wrote:It is the proven gateway drug leading to meth, crack, and heroin, which is now riddling nearly every town in Ohio with unprecedented crime, welfare, slums, and fear.
  
  But keep smokin' it up ...............makes all the problems go away.

  If you're an uneducated moron or belonging to a group that profits off the penalties given to marijuana smokers, you might believe that. If you don't fit into either of those groups, you don't.
• QuakerOats

  It is a PROVEN fact; but there is a segment of potheads that can't think clearly enough to understand.
• HitsRus

  

  The Chinese just announced that they are adopting cap and trade nationwide and will let the marketplace cut its emissions - a great idea American Conservatives once believed in until they were stricken with ObamaRage. India already has pilot programs in a few of its states and will likely follow China's lead. These countries are on the front lines of Climate Change (i.e. the Maldives ceasing to exist) and are leading the charge

  Good for them, because if they're not fully on board, it makes no sense for us to hamstring our competitiveness when it would do no or little good.
• HitsRus

  

  Issue 3 is nothing but a tempest in a teaPOT..Hahaha. Conservative here....with libertarian leanings...I don't smoke, but I do like my alckyhol....somebody else likes a doobie...let them have it. Regulate it, tax it, and get it out of the hands of the street dealers.
• Heretic

  

  QuakerOats;1754373 wrote:It is a PROVEN fact; but there is a segment of potheads that can't think clearly enough to understand.

  IT'S PROVEN!!!! Never mind the fact that by simply doing a Google search "marijuana gateway drug?", you get many conflicted opinions. Some say that it is, some say "gateway drug" is a very ambiguous statement that can't be proven either way (ie: did they move to harder stuff due to dope, alcohol and/or tobacco --- because, you know, stuff that is currently legal has the same reputation; OR were they of the sort of addictive mindset where they'd be looking for hard stuff regardless of what they did or didn't do previously) and some that say it's a myth.
  
  But yeah, it's definitely proven, you anti-liberty, pro-big government guy, you!
• Wolves of Babylon

  QuakerOats;1754373 wrote:It is a PROVEN fact; but there is a segment of potheads that can't think clearly enough to understand.

  You call it a proven fact yet there is more conflicting evidence against it than there is against climate change.
  
  You realize that correlation does not equal causation? I think they teach this in middle school.I'm sure most who use the hard drugs probably had alcohol prior as well.
  
  I dont smoke pot, tried it a few times in college, didn't get anything out of it. So not only potheads support it.
  
  I'm sorry you are not a true believer in personal responsibility and liberty but you obviously like big government when it comes to how people live their lives.
  
  This is why I left the Republican Party and went Libertarian. These "conservatives" live in the stone age.
  
  
  
  
  
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• QuakerOats

  What the hell does BIG government have to do with it. Government does not have to get bigger just because The People understand that dope leads to hard drugs that lead to violent crime, declining property values, and broken families.
  
  Nice try though.
• Heretic

  

  QuakerOats;1754414 wrote:What the hell does BIG government have to do with it. Government does not have to get bigger just because The People understand that dope leads to hard drugs that lead to violent crime, declining property values, and broken families.
  
  Nice try though.

  Lol, so, so delusional.
• Wolves of Babylon

  QuakerOats;1754414 wrote:What the hell does BIG government have to do with it. Government does not have to get bigger just because The People understand that dope leads to hard drugs that lead to violent crime, declining property values, and broken families.
  
  Nice try though.

  No, the only people who understand that are the ones who ignore facts and reality. The vast majority of people who smoke never go on to try other drugs and again Alcohol is also considered a gateway drug and has killed more people than marijuana ever will. And the vast majority of people who smoke marijuana either smoked cigarettes or drank alcohol before ever smoking weed. So we might as well ban both of those as well since those are gateway drugs as well.
  
  The two states where it is legal(Washington and Colorado) have seen decreases in violent crimes and increases in tax revenue. Decreases in costs to arrest and jail minor drug offenders.
  
  People who have jobs and don't go to jail for victimless crimes contribute more to society and don't end up living off the government either on welfare or in jail. The War on Drugs especially marijuana is one of this countries most epic failures.
  
  I can't believe People who have access to information still believe things like this.
  
  
  
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• QuakerOats

  Are you serious --- Colorado is a mess now. And the bordering states are extremely pissed by what is occurring there and spilling over. And yes, most experts believe that weed is a gateway drug, and they believe it now more than ever. It does not mean it is for everyone, but for many or most it is. But hey, nowadays, ANYTHING goes man.
• Heretic

  

  Wolves of Babylon;1754429 wrote:No, the only people who understand that are the ones who ignore facts and reality. The vast majority of people who smoke never go on to try other drugs and again Alcohol is also considered a gateway drug and has killed more people than marijuana ever will. And the vast majority of people who smoke marijuana either smoked cigarettes or drank alcohol before ever smoking weed. So we might as well ban both of those as well since those are gateway drugs as well.
  
  The two states where it is legal(Washington and Colorado) have seen decreases in violent crimes and increases in tax revenue. Decreases in costs to arrest and jail minor drug offenders.
  
  People who have jobs and don't go to jail for victimless crimes contribute more to society and don't end up living off the government either on welfare or in jail. The War on Drugs especially marijuana is one of this countries most epic failures.
  
  I can't believe People who have access to information still believe things like this.
  
  
  
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  In fairness, we are talking to a guy who probably thinks Reefer Madness was a true story documentary.
• HitsRus

  

  This is why I left the Republican Party and went Libertarian. These "conservatives" live in the stone age.
  
  

  Please, if this is the only reason. Quit making blanket statements about 'conservatives', as if to say that social conservatives are representative of the entire party. And there is a Libertarian wing of the Republican party. Instead of quitting, why don't you work to expand the influence of that wing?...much better chance of actually impacting the changes you seek if you are part of a larger group.
• Wolves of Babylon

  HitsRus;1754439 wrote:Please, if this is the only reason. Quit making blanket statements about 'conservatives', as if to say that social conservatives are representative of the entire party. And there is a Libertarian wing of the Republican party. Instead of quitting, why don't you work to expand the influence of that wing?...much better chance of actually impacting the changes you seek if you are part of a larger group.

  It is not the only reason, the hawkishness is another reason. I am all for a strong DEFENSE but I'm not about military adventurism and nation building.
  
  I would gladly vote for a republican who is more libertarian as I know that is the best way to make a change.I was hoping Rand would be that guy but he has lost a lot of the support he had from the more libertarian wing as he seems to be another politician who likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth. I was hoping he would be a version of his dad who was better at delivering the message. I would vote for him if he somehow won the nomination but the neocons will never let that happen.
  
  I am not a hardcore anarchist libertarian who thinks government should be abolished but the war mongering, anti science, anti individual liberty(drug war, NSA, gay marriage etc), and bible thumpers have turned me away.
  
  By the way I have nothing against religion, just the over zealous hypocrites that unfortunately have gained way too much influence and power within the party
  
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• superman

  QuakerOats;1754349 wrote:It is the proven gateway drug leading to meth, crack, and heroin, which is now riddling nearly every town in Ohio with unprecedented crime, welfare, slums, and fear.
  
  But keep smokin' it up ...............makes all the problems go away.

  Even if it were true, which it isn't, who cares? No drug should be illegal. Why do you care what other people put in their body?
• Wolves of Babylon

  superman;1754463 wrote:Even if it were true, which it isn't, who cares? No drug should be illegal. Why do you care what other people put in their body?

  He believes if it were legal, everyone would turn into dope fiends and society would collapse.
  
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• like_that

  

  Yeah, sorry Quaker, I am not with you on this one with weed. Based on your stances on other issues (i.e. guns) I figured you would know that responsible people wouldn't let hard drugs affect their life, because they took a "gateway" (weed) to get there. I know plenty of successful people who smoked or still smoke weed.
• HitsRus

  

  I suspect that some of the "gateway drug" stats, talking points and arguments are skewed by the fact that you have to go to a "bad guy" street dealer to get it, and you have to deal with these people who make it easier to turn you on to more dangerous drugs. It was a lot like this during prohibition.
• QuakerOats

  Read up ladies ....... not only it is just plain bad, it is also being thrown at us in the form of a constutional amendment, which would be disastrous. All of the responsible groups in the state oppose it; it will be a nightmare for employers with future damaging economic consequences for the state. Perhaps if you read through these articles you will understand why and also oppose Issue 3.
  
  http://www.noissue3.com/
  
  http://businessjournaldaily.com/commentary-the-real-cost-to-employers-of-legal-marijuana/
  
  http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/pot-issue-will-challenge-ohio-employers/nnKQZ/
  
  http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/ohio/2015/09/14/fop-of-ohio-voices-opposition-to-issue-3/72255644/
  
  http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/08/ohio_chamber_opposes_marijuana.html
  
  http://www.wcpo.com/news/political/local-politics/see-who-supports-and-doesnt-support-issue-3-in-ohio
  
  http://wdtn.com/2015/08/12/chamber-forms-coaltion-says-responsibleohio-bad-for-ohio-employers/
  
  http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/09/23/Ohio-Nurses-Association-announces-opposition-to-Issue-3.html
  
  
  COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Ohio Nurses Association (ONA) today announced its strong opposition to State Issue 3, which would give a small group of self-selected investors a monopoly over the cultivation and sale of marijuana in Ohio and make marijuana widely available across the state at the expense of the health and safety of Ohioans.
  ONA joins a broad coalition of medical professionals, hospital associations, and other health advocates in vocalizing opposition to Issue 3 on the basis of health concerns.
  “As the voice of registered nurses in Ohio, we actively promote policies that minimize health risks, not increase them,” said Dan Kirkpatrick, ONA President. “The nurses we represent have expressed significant concerns about the health consequences Issue 3 would have on their patients, especially children, who are most vulnerable to accidentally ingesting dangerous amounts of marijuana.”
  The amount of THC-the active ingredient in marijuana-in edibles can range from a single serving to ten servings without any change in appearance, resulting in the ingestion of potentially dangerous amounts. According to a study recently conducted by Nationwide Children’s Hospitals, marijuana legalization is closely correlated with accidental ingestion of marijuana, which can cause breathing problems, seizures, and coma.
  “There is no way around it-easy access to marijuana will lead to incredible health risk for children and the potential for catastrophic health outcomes that we cannot risk,” said Lori Chovanak, CEO for the Association. “We’ve taken a close look at recent reports from states that have commercialized marijuana, and their healthcare industry’s experience is not one we are eager to replicate.”
  A recent report released by the Rocky Mountain High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) documented a 225 percent increase in the average number of Colorado children exposed to marijuana from 2013-2014 compared to 2006-2008, the years before marijuana commercialization in the state.
  In addition to the health risks posed by high-THC commercial marijuana and edible products, smoking marijuana during pregnancy is closely linked to lower birth weight, which contributes heavily to Ohio’s ongoing infant mortality crisis.
• Wolves of Babylon

  Haha you are about as clueless as it gets. First I am not talking about Ohio's proposed legislation as I don't think it is the right way to do it.I am talking about the Federal level and it being illegal across the country.
  
  Couple quick points. As for employers, pretty simple. No employer allows their employees to show up drunk or drink on the job. I am ok with employers not allowing employees to show up high or smoke while at work. Some employers for example Huntington Bank has a policy where they won't allow the use of tobacco and you can be terminated if you are caught.
  
  As for kids. How many kids especially teenagers sneak parents alcohol when the parents aren't around. How many kids die from alcohol poisoning or in auto accidents because they were drinking or someone they were with was drinking? How many kids are beaten by alcoholic parents?I guarantee more than who would die from accidentally eating a pot brownie.
  
  I would hope medical officials would advise against the frequent use of any drug. I'm pretty sure every Dr visit starts with do you drink alcohol or use tobabcco and how often?
  
  That last comment about smoking while pregnant takes the cake. No shit you shouldn't smoke weed while pregnant. You shouldn't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
  
  Again everything you say can be said about alcohol. All the links you posted are nothing more than fear mongering.
  
  
  
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• HitsRus

  

  Whether you are talking about alcohol, guns, or marijuana, it involves individual responsibility. There are a lot of things we do in life that are fraught with danger, and can be abused. You either believe in liberty and personal responsibility, and minimal government interference or you don't. If you are going to cherry pick liberties, and allow for some but not for others, then you are merely giving lip service to the concept.
  Sorry Quaker , you and I see eye to eye on most things… But not this.
  For the record, I don't smoke.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1754672 wrote:Whether you are talking about alcohol, guns, or marijuana, it involves individual responsibility. There are a lot of things we do in life that are fraught with danger, and can be abused. You either believe in liberty and personal responsibility, and minimal government interference or you don't. If you are going to cherry pick liberties, and allow for some but not for others, then you are merely giving lip service to the concept.
  Sorry Quaker , you and I see eye to eye on most things… But not this.
  For the record, I don't smoke.

  Rekt.