Why do you hate corporations?

• Con_Alma

  isadore;1225954 wrote:when people have no real choice, they have right to place blame.

  They can blame all they want. Blame doesn't improve ther situation.
  
  There choice was to procreate or not. Their choice was to come to the U.S. or not. There are ramifications to those choices....whether they accept that responsibility or not they exist.
  
  Suggesting others should realize that burden is absolving the individual of the ramifications of their choices. No thank you.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1225977 wrote:They can blame all they want. Blame doesn't improve ther situation.
  
  There choice was to procreate or not. Their choice was to come to the U.S. or not. There are ramifications to those choices....whether they accept that responsibility or not they exist.
  
  Suggesting others should realize that burden is absolving the individual of the ramifications of their choices. No thank you.

  Actually it was their parents choice to procreate. And blame in a democracy can make changes. It can lead the people to act. To elect governments that will regulate those corporatation, that will force them to protect their workers, not to employ children and to pay a fair wage. They can make corporations act responsibly.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1225974 wrote:They may exist with the permission of the government but that's not why they exists. They exists to increase shareholder equity. They don't exists to employ people. That is an expense...often times a necessary expense.

  the government allows this artifical entity to be created, the government GIVES this artificial entity certain economic and political advantages. The government has the right and responsibility to ensure this artifical entity is not destructive in the needs of the people.
• isadore

  dwccrew;1225973 wrote:Spoken like someone who has never been able to accomplish anything on their own in life, so feels the need to blame others.

  lol
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1225985 wrote:the government allows this artifical entity to be created, the government GIVES this artificial entity certain economic and political advantages. The government has the right and responsibility to ensure this artifical entity is not destructive in the needs of the people.

  The reason that allowance exists is to have greater involvement by the government. It's still not why they exist. They exists to generate profit and wealth.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1225984 wrote:Actually it was their parents choice to procreate. And blame in a democracy can make changes. It can lead the people to act. To elect governments that will regulate those corporatation, that will force them to protect their workers, not to employ children and to pay a fair wage. They can make corporations act responsibly.

  Their parents chose poorly. There are ramifications to that choice. I will never act and seek change unless those are initiated such choice accept responsibility.... otherwise it's inaccurate blame.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1225988 wrote:Their parents chose poorly. There are ramifications to that choice. I will never act and seek change unless those are initiated such choice accept responsibility.... otherwise it's inaccurate blame.

  And people acted responsibily. They saw how corporatations were abusing them. They made those facts known. They picked candidates for office that would work to alleviate the corporate abuse. they elected them forcing corporatations to begin to no longer work children, improve working conditions and pay a fairer wage. That is acting responsibly.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1225987 wrote:The reason that allowance exists is to have greater involvement by the government. It's still not why they exist. They exists to generate profit and wealth.

  as i wrote, they are soulless, conscienceless artifical entities. They exist at the permission of the government that allows their creation and has the ultimate right to control their actions.
• Con_Alma

  Those are not the people I speak nor have I ever disputed such things.
  
  People have no blame to place on corporations when they themselves have made decisions that have made them dependent on such entities. They deserve not sympathy nor do corporations they chose to enrage in deserve the "hate" that was used in the topic title.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1225994 wrote:as i wrote, they are soulless, conscienceless artifical entities. They exist at the permission of the government that allows their creation and has the ultimate right to control their actions.

  Entities don't have souls. Agreed. These entities don't exist to employ people. If you know that, you have the obligation to understand they only are and will use you for their own benefit.. If you choose to engage, you must realize the potential ramifications of such a decision.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1225995 wrote:Those are not the people I speak nor have I ever disputed such things.
  
  People have no blame to place on corporations when they themselves have made decisions that have made them dependent on such entities. They deserve not sympathy nor do corporations they chose to enrage in deserve the "hate" that was used in the topic title.

  corporations exist because the people's representatives have granted it the privilege to exist. The actions these soulless entities of course can and should draw hatred when they try to exploit the people.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1225996 wrote:Entities don't have souls. Agreed. These entities don't exist to employ people. If you know that, you have the obligation to understand they only are and will use you for their own benefit.. If you choose to engage, you must realize the potential ramifications of such a decision.

  corporatations exist at the forebearance of the people. they are given special privileges by the representatives of the people. when they become destructive of the rights and needs of the people they can be altered or destroyed.
• Con_Alma

  I have no problem if they were destroyed. People would still have the ability to band and create revenue and profit.
  
  They have not, however. They exists. If you choose to become reliant on an entity that exists to increase shareholder equity, you decide to potentially realize negative ramification to yourself and your family. Choose wisely.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1226000 wrote:corporations exist because the people's representatives have granted it the privilege to exist. The actions these soulless entities of course can and should draw hatred when they try to exploit the people.

  If it is the people that allow it through representation then the hatred should be directed at those that allow it through their representation.
  
  Choose wisely or else realize the ramifications of such decisions.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1226007 wrote:I have no problem if they were destroyed. People would still have the ability to band and create revenue and profit.
  
  They have not, however. They exists. If you choose to become reliant on an entity that exists to increase shareholder equity, you decide to potentially realize negative ramification to yourself and your family. Choose wisely.

  without the protections of progressive democracy, it is a faustian bargain.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1226010 wrote:without the protections of progressive democracy, it is a faustian bargain.

  ...but we have that and yet the people who make decision to become dependent still have negative impacts when they become reliant.
  
  They chose poorly.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1226008 wrote:If it is the people that allow it through representation then the hatred should be directed at those that allow it through their representation.
  
  Choose wisely or else realize the ramifications of such decisions.

  the soulless entities began to control the governments that allowed their creation. the people learned, one reason why there is a 17th amendment.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1226011 wrote:...but we have that and yet the people who make decision to become dependent still have negative impacts when they become reliant.
  
  They chose poorly.

  these soulless seemingly immortal entities continue to try to make their profits no matter what the cost to our society. fighting them is a continuous struggle as long as they exist.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Isadore is sleeper, in case you guys didn't know.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1226015 wrote:these soulless seemingly immortal entities continue to try to make their profits no matter what the cost to our society. fighting them is a continuous struggle as long as they exist.

  
  One way to :fight" them is to not make such poor choices and not become dependent on them. Don't choose so poorly.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1226013 wrote:the soulless entities began to control the governments that allowed their creation. the people learned, one reason why there is a 17th amendment.

  They may have learned but they continue to choose poorly with their lives.
• I Wear Pants

  DeyDurkie5;1226026 wrote:Isadore is sleeper, in case you guys didn't know.

  
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1226069 wrote:One way to :fight" them is to not make such poor choices and not become dependent on them. Don't choose so poorly.

  using democratic means to protect yourself and your fellow citizens from abuses soulless entities is not a poor choice.
• Rotinaj

  

  DeyDurkie5;1226026 wrote:Isadore is sleeper, in case you guys didn't know.

  Has this really been confirmed?
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1226136 wrote:using democratic means to protect yourself and your fellow citizens from abuses soulless entities is not a poor choice.

  It was for those people who you gave examples of being "exploited". They chose poorly.