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Why do you hate corporations?

  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1252435 wrote:you have the power to persuade people to support your laws.
    That doesn't men I can do what I want like you previously posted.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1252437 wrote:corporations are created by government with privileges given them by government. they are artifical creations of government who are given the privileges of an economic person.
    They are not artificial creations. They are very real creations. I think you are confusing corporations being referred to as an "artificial person" in some legal writings. Lol. You aren't using the reference properly at all.

    They have very different responsibilities and opportunities than a person does.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1252771 wrote:That doesn't men I can do what I want like you previously posted.
    gosh, you complain even though you are a member of the sovereign group in our representative democracy.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1252835 wrote:gosh, you complain even though you are a member of the sovereign group in our representative democracy.
    I haven't complained yet.

    I have simply corrected a post you previously made that I am able to do what I want. I am not.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1252772 wrote:They are not artificial creations. They are very real creations. I think you are confusing corporations ad being referred to as an "artificial person" in some legal writings. Lol. You aren't using the reference properly at all.

    They have very different responsibilities and opportunities than a person does.
    they are government creations, based on privileges granted by government that allow them to act as an artifical economic person. they are soulless and conscienceless and should be regulated tightly by government.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1252838 wrote:they are government creations, based on privileges granted by government that allow them to act as an artifical economic person. they are soulless and conscienceless and should be regulated tightly by government.

    ahhhhh, You've finally corrected your mistake. An artificial-person is defined as "A legal entity, not a human being, recognized as a person in law to whom legal rights and duties may attach - e.g. a body corporate". Sometimes an artificial-person may be referred to as a CORPORATION, which is not always the same as an Incorporated Company.

    Corporations are not artificial nor are they artificially created. Lol.

    In addition, they are not government creations. What the governemnt creates are the rules that define their existence. They still have to be created by an individual or group of individuals.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1252837 wrote:I haven't complained yet.

    I have simply corrected a post you previously made that I am able to do what I want. I am not.
    gosh you have complained consistently and have been unwilling to accept the fact you are a member of the group that has the ultimate power to determine laws of our society.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1252839 wrote:ahhhhh, You've finally corrected your mistake. An artificial-person is defined as "A legal entity, not a human being, recognized as a person in law to whom legal rights and duties may attach - e.g. a body corporate". Sometimes an artificial-person may be referred to as a CORPORATION, which is not always the same as an Incorporated Company.

    Corporations are not artificial nor are they artificially created. Lol.

    In addition, they are not government creations. What the governemnt creates are the rules that define their existence. They still have to be created by an individual or group of individuals.
    government sets the rules for a corporation. then by chartering bring these soulless entities into existence.
    because of this government has the right and the duty to protect us from these conscienceless artifical entities.
  • isadore
    gut;1252762 wrote:Corporations, derived from a latin word for "body of people", would still exist without government. There are also many business reasons to have them, and actually they would exist fully within the realm of business law to address a variety of issues. The government basically came into play to add some uniformity, especially across borders, and to assess taxes.

    Because, at the end of the day, a corporation is nothing more than a group of people chartering together to operate under certain rules and laws, both with customers and themselves. To say the govt creates a corporation would imply stripping or denying the registration means the business wouldn't exist, which is absurd. But for purposes of conducting more efficient business, the govt forces businesses to structure in known and consistent ways. Trade and accreditation groups do much the same to ensure members adhere to certain standards.
    they exist and prosper because of the privileges government grants them without government granted privileges they would not be our dominant business organization.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1252859 wrote:government sets the rules for a corporation. then by chartering bring these soulless entities into existence.
    because of this government has the right and the duty to protect us from these conscienceless artifical entities.
    I agree that government sets the rules. The people create the individual corporation by acting within those rules.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1252855 wrote:gosh you have complained consistently and have been unwilling to accept the fact you are a member of the group that has the ultimate power to determine laws of our society.
    Not only have I accepted the fat that I am a member of said group by I even referred to it and acknowledged it in an earlier post.

    I have not complained once but rather have stated I am unable, even after using my position as an individual to influence others who were not persuaded, to do what I want as you previously posted. It's not a complaint. It's a simple fact of realization. I have no reason to complain. There are lots of things in life we don't get to do. Expressing "feelings of pain" or complaining would assume I have feelings of pain. I don't nor do I feel compelled to complain about it. There's no reason to.
  • gut
    isadore;1252861 wrote:they exist and prosper because of the privileges government grants them without government granted privileges they would not be our dominant business organization.
    No, you couldn't be more wrong. They prosper because people WANT to buy their goods and services at that price. That the largest and most dominant players are "LLC" again has little to do with govt and more to do with that being the preferred structure to list a publicly traded company. And believe me, those companies and IPO's would happen without the govt.

    The govt isn't creating anything, it's using these classifications to tax and regulate, again mostly non-value added activities that only the govt can prosper at.
  • isadore
    gut;1252916 wrote:No, you couldn't be more wrong. They prosper because people WANT to buy their goods and services at that price. That the largest and most dominant players are "LLC" again has little to do with govt and more to do with that being the preferred structure to list a publicly traded company. And believe me, those companies and IPO's would happen without the govt.

    The govt isn't creating anything, it's using these classifications to tax and regulate, again mostly non-value added activities that only the govt can prosper at.
    gosh a ruddies i wonder if all those folks would be lined up for these llcs and ipos if the government had not granted them the privilege of limited liability. government gives them that great privilege that is the major safety factor for investors.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1252895 wrote:I agree that government sets the rules. The people create the individual corporation by acting within those rules.
    government sets the rules then brings them into existence by granting them a charter.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1252898 wrote:Not only have I accepted the fat that I am a member of said group by I even referred to it and acknowledged it in an earlier post.

    I have not complained once but rather have stated I am unable, even after using my position as an individual to influence others who were not persuaded, to do what I want as you previously posted. It's not a complaint. It's a simple fact of realization. I have no reason to complain. There are lots of things in life we don't get to do. Expressing "feelings of pain" or complaining would assume I have feelings of pain. I don't nor do I feel compelled to complain about it. There's no reason to.
    how many in the group have you tried to persuade so you could have the rights you want. if you have not even tried, sent out at least an email to all of us, then all you are really doing is complaining.
  • gut
    isadore;1253371 wrote:gosh a ruddies i wonder if all those folks would be lined up for these llcs and ipos if the government had not granted them the privilege of limited liability. government gives them that great privilege that is the major safety factor for investors.
    Wrong again. That all grew out of laws. No one needs the govt to draw up a contract outlining the same rules of the game. The govt takes ownership of this simply to add efficiency and uniformity. Various trade org memberships and certifications - which have nothing to do with the govt - mean more in the marketplace than being an LLC or LLP.

    At the end of the day, an overriding motivating factor is not the govt "creating" these organizations but scheming ways to extract control and wealth. You act as if business was never done and couldn't be done without govt, which is beyond ignorant.
  • BoatShoes
    gut;1252762 wrote:Corporations, derived from a latin word for "body of people", would still exist without government. There are also many business reasons to have them, and actually they would exist fully within the realm of business law to address a variety of issues. The government basically came into play to add some uniformity, especially across borders, and to assess taxes.

    Because, at the end of the day, a corporation is nothing more than a group of people chartering together to operate under certain rules and laws, both with customers and themselves. To say the govt creates a corporation would imply stripping or denying the registration means the business wouldn't exist, which is absurd. But for purposes of conducting more efficient business, the govt forces businesses to structure in known and consistent ways. Trade and accreditation groups do much the same to ensure members adhere to certain standards.
    You're talking about a General Partnership. Corporation's have certain characteristics that would not exist without government creating them such as limited liability.
  • isadore
    gut;1253467 wrote:Wrong again. That all grew out of laws. No one needs the govt to draw up a contract outlining the same rules of the game. The govt takes ownership of this simply to add efficiency and uniformity. Various trade org memberships and certifications - which have nothing to do with the govt - mean more in the marketplace than being an LLC or LLP.

    At the end of the day, an overriding motivating factor is not the govt "creating" these organizations but scheming ways to extract control and wealth. You act as if business was never done and couldn't be done without govt, which is beyond ignorant.
    " That all grew out of laws" a business can grant itself limited liability. the large businesses had limited liability a privilege granted them by the government
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1253404 wrote:how many in the group have you tried to persuade so you could have the rights you want. if you have not even tried, sent out at least an email to all of us, then all you are really doing is complaining.
    Definition of complain = To express feelings of pain, dissatisfaction, or resentment.

    I have no pain because I can't do what I want.

    I amnot dissatisfied because I can't do what I want. There's a greater good in it.

    I do not resent the fact that I can't do what i want.

    I am generally a very content person.

    I am not complaining. I am simply stating that One person can not do what they want even with the powers granted to them. The collective determine through representation what will be permitted.

    It's a simple understanding and statement of fact as opposed to a complaint.

    I have contacted my State Senator
  • Con_Alma
    BoatShoes;1253503 wrote:You're talking about a General Partnership. Corporation's have certain characteristics that would not exist without government creating them such as limited liability.
    ...very different than that of a person. They have different economic abilities and liabilities.
  • gut
    isadore;1253566 wrote:" That all grew out of laws" a business can grant itself limited liability. the large businesses had limited liability a privilege granted them by the government
    No, contracts and business/commericial law spelled out limited liability, the govt just brought uniformity to it. With the exception of taxes, one can pretty much negotiate/contract everything granted them under an LLP, etc. Heck, you don't even have to be a US corporation to do business here.
  • isadore
    gut;1254010 wrote:No, contracts and business/commericial law spelled out limited liability, the govt just brought uniformity to it. With the exception of taxes, one can pretty much negotiate/contract everything granted them under an LLP, etc. Heck, you don't even have to be a US corporation to do business here.
    law made by the legislative branch of government and limited liability a privilege granted by government.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1253593 wrote:...very different than that of a person. They have different economic abilities and liabilities.
    gosh power to hire, fire, borrow, lend, make contracts, like a person.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1253592 wrote:Definition of complain = To express feelings of pain, dissatisfaction, or resentment.

    I have no pain because I can't do what I want.

    I amnot dissatisfied because I can't do what I want. There's a greater good in it.

    I do not resent the fact that I can't do what i want.

    I am generally a very content person.

    I am not complaining. I am simply stating that One person can not do what they want even with the powers granted to them. The collective determine through representation what will be permitted.

    It's a simple understanding and statement of fact as opposed to a complaint.

    I have contacted my State Senator
    gosh "generally a very content person" but not always, at times in pain, at time dissatified, at times resentful. but never complaining.
  • gut
    BoatShoes;1253503 wrote:You're talking about a General Partnership. Corporation's have certain characteristics that would not exist without government creating them such as limited liability.
    No. I can accomplish most of the same things with a contract. Release of claims and liability is a common clause in many contracts. It's not efficient or productive for most consumers to read and understand lengthy contracts, so the govt codifies it and makes it uniform. Or perhaps you're familiar with "buyer beware" and "as is" sales/service. Not necessarily in the public interest in many cases, so the govt codifies the laws and lets business choose which rules and regulations make the most sense for your company.

    Next you're going to tell me I can't own a home without the govt, which has many rules and regulations regarding the sale.