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Why do you hate corporations?

  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1240884 wrote:what I have posted is that America is a representive democracy where the people have popular sovereignty.
    Yeah. I read that.

    I still can't do what I want as you recently posted.
  • isadore
    the people are the ultimate power and their represenatives make the law in our representative democracy.
  • gut
    isadore;1243479 wrote:the people are the ultimate power
    Not when they allow, and enable, their elected representatives to deceive and manipulate them.
  • isadore
    gut;1243493 wrote:Not when they allow, and enable, their elected representatives to deceive and manipulate them.
    they have allowed artifical entities to corrupt the process. but ultimately the people will use their power to put down these soulless, conscienceless psuedo beings.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1243479 wrote:the people are the ultimate power and their represenatives make the law in our representative democracy.
    ..and yet I can't do what I want like you previously stated.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1243498 wrote:they have allowed artifical entities to corrupt the process. but ultimately the people will use their power to put down these soulless, conscienceless psuedo beings.
    What makes then "artificial"? They do truly exist.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1243018 wrote:Yeah. I read that.

    I still can't do what I want as you recently posted.
    as I posted the laws are ultimately determined by the people.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1243534 wrote:What makes then "artificial"? They do truly exist.
    the government grants them the privilege to act as an economic person and gave them the political speech rights of a person, but they are not really a person, just an artifical entity.
  • gut
    isadore;1243498 wrote:they have allowed artifical entities to corrupt the process. but ultimately the people will use their power to put down these soulless, conscienceless psuedo beings.
    It really not "artificial entities" corrupting the process. It's people being victimized by their own stupidity and laziness, which often explains why they find themselves in a unsatisfactory position to begin with. Only people who have accepted the defeatist mentality that the liberals preach are truly powerless and unfortunate.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1243562 wrote:the government grants them the privilege to act as an economic person and gave them the political speech rights of a person, but they are not really a person, just an artifical entity.
    There are many things that aren't "persons". That doesn't make then artificial.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1243558 wrote:as I posted the laws are ultimately determined by the people.
    ...and yet I still can't do what I want as you posted.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1243575 wrote:...and yet I still can't do what I want as you posted.
    what i posted was the government is controlled ultimately by the people.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1243574 wrote:There are many things that aren't "persons". That doesn't make then artificial.
    a corporation is "given" personhood in our economy and political speech even though it is not a person.
  • isadore
    gut;1243565 wrote:It really not "artificial entities" corrupting the process. It's people being victimized by their own stupidity and laziness, which often explains why they find themselves in a unsatisfactory position to begin with. Only people who have accepted the defeatist mentality that the liberals preach are truly powerless and unfortunate.
    gosh a ruddies it was those stupid people eating, drinking, using dangerous products made by corporations that crippled and killed them. it was those lazy men, women and children being worked 14 hour days in unsafe working conditions with no protections, those stupid people could have chosen starvation.
  • gut
    LMAO. Successful corporations make good products. That's always been true. If we were to use your logic, no one would ever be flying, driving a vehicle on the road, or having sex (since people sometimes have heart attacks).

    And that's the problem - liberals would bankrupt us trying to make trivial reductions in these risks.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1243747 wrote:what i posted was the government is controlled ultimately by the people.
    Your words were, " You can do what you want as a citizen of a representative democracy".

    I can't.
  • Con_Alma
    isadore;1243748 wrote:a corporation is "given" personhood in our economy and political speech even though it is not a person.
    A corporations is not given "personhood". I have never seen that in any incorporation nor taxation documents.

    They given corporate status and it's not artificial.
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1244352 wrote:Your words were, " You can do what you want as a citizen of a representative democracy".

    I can't.
    I can
  • isadore
    Con_Alma;1244354 wrote:A corporations is not given "personhood". I have never seen that in any incorporation nor taxation documents.

    They given corporate status and it's not artificial.
    they are given economic personhood, they buy, they sell, they hire, they fire, they sue, they make contracts, as an economic person. They are an artificial entity.
  • isadore
    gut;1243897 wrote:LMAO. Successful corporations make good products. That's always been true. If we were to use your logic, no one would ever be flying, driving a vehicle on the road, or having sex (since people sometimes have heart attacks).

    And that's the problem - liberals would bankrupt us trying to make trivial reductions in these risks.
    risks, really. Unregulated corporation have shown themselves to exploit consumers and abuse workers. they have also shown repeatedly the desire to cut competition with price fixing and cartels. Governments are the major force that acted to prevent these abuses.
  • BoatShoes
    Con_Alma;1244354 wrote:A corporations is not given "personhood". I have never seen that in any incorporation nor taxation documents.

    They given corporate status and it's not artificial.
    This is incorrect. Corporations are generally treated the same under the law as flesh and blood human beings and therefore they have legal personhood. This is not in dispute. It makes you wonder what we can agree on if you don't agree with this.

    Additionally, a corporation's status as a "person" is artificial in that the attainment of this status requires a government intervention in the natural state of affairs through the filing of a piece of paper and a subsequent government fiat. A flesh and blood human being attains what we consider to be "personhood", however, without having to file a piece of paper with the secretary of state, but instead by their very nature. Without the government creation of the "corporation" multiple flesh and blood human beings engaging in a common business purpose is simply a general partnership.
  • gut
    isadore;1244451 wrote:risks, really. Unregulated corporation have shown themselves to exploit consumers and abuse workers. they have also shown repeatedly the desire to cut competition with price fixing and cartels. Governments are the major force that acted to prevent these abuses.
    That's an argument for regulation, which no one disagrees with...That doesn't come remotely close to supporting your call for MORE regulation. And reduced regulation =/= less effective regulation. Your lack of experience and understanding repeatedly shows how you've come to rely on the govt not only for your way of life, but also the justification for that govt.
  • isadore
    gut;1244559 wrote:That's an argument for regulation, which no one disagrees with...That doesn't come remotely close to supporting your call for MORE regulation. And reduced regulation =/= less effective regulation. Your lack of experience and understanding repeatedly shows how you've come to rely on the govt not only for your way of life, but also the justification for that govt.
    1. there are some who want regulation of corporations. 2. reduced regulation =/= more effective regulation. Gosh a ruddies for example repeal of glass-steagall and lack of other banking regulations played a major role in creating our present economic sitution.
  • gut
    isadore;1244590 wrote:for example repeal of glass-steagall and lack of other banking regulations played a major role in creating our present economic sitution.
    And so did the Feds, Congress and, yes, the homeowners. It was much more than just a failure of regulation. And it wasn't even Glass-Steagall so much as relaxed reserve requirements and leverage ratios, which were STILL on the books.

    Just because you write pages and pages of regulation doesn't mean you are adding any economic value, something I suspect you are familiar with.
  • isadore
    gut;1244623 wrote:And so did the Feds, Congress and, yes, the homeowners. It was much more than just a failure of regulation. And it wasn't even Glass-Steagall so much as relaxed reserve requirements and leverage ratios, which were STILL on the books.

    Just because you write pages and pages of regulation doesn't mean you are adding any economic value, something I suspect you are familiar with.
    the primary purpose of regulation should not be to add economic value but to provide protections from corporate abuses.